New smoking guns in Apollo moon hoax: White cloth canvas on floor clearly seen!

JW the idiot charlatan that he is has no scientific experience or qualification and no skills or even a little common sense. Any experiment that he does is pretty much an instant failure and he has been busted so many times that I don't even remember. There's a good thread about his stupid little boy fantasies on this very site.
Also linking to YT video is hardly evidence...

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by jimmyx
i always like the "debunkers" who say, that due to the rocket blasts on decent, it blew away all the dust from the landing leg pods, and that is why there is no dust on the feet of the landing legs....but....looking at nasa photos...there are boots prints (in this supposedly blown away dust) around the landing leg pods. big fail

As requested dust on pad



Next!

don't see the dust here (actual nasa photos)
www.hq.nasa.gov...

or here
www.hq.nasa.gov...

for all of you looking for strange inconsistancies....and even more strange similarities, in the different apollo missions..here is the official nasa apollo photo site
www.apolloarchive.com...

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Riposte

 

Well go out and see how the moon shines. It's plenty enough.

Everyone knows the moon reflects sunlight, don't they? I don't know why people insist on this moon hoax stuff when there's plenty of real conspiracies in govt today that they are ignoring.
Incidentally, my father's foundry produced some small parts for one of the missions, I seem to remember him saying it was for Mercury.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
JW the idiot charlatan that he is has no scientific experience or qualification and no skills or even a little common sense. Any experiment that he does is pretty much an instant failure and he has been busted so many times that I don't even remember. There's a good thread about his stupid little boy fantasies on this very site.
Also linking to YT video is hardly evidence...

It's an actual experiment, there is no other way to provide the evidence.

But at least you admit you won't even address the issue.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Riposte

 

Well go out and see how the moon shines. It's plenty enough.

Everyone knows the moon reflects sunlight, don't they? I don't know why people insist on this moon hoax stuff when there's plenty of real conspiracies in govt today that they are ignoring.

It's not a complete lack of reflection. The issue is that it doesn't reflect enough light to illuminate the backside of an object in a photograph.

Also, people have the ability to think about more than one issue at a time. I'm not ignoring other conspiracies by talking about this one.

reply to post by Riposte


I wouldn't consider Jarrah White as an honest objective person at all, but hey.

I watched one of his youtube videos about the lunar regolith, where he had a 'tracking expert' or something of the kind on talking about the astronauts footprints and how they had to be faked, the guy says "these footprints just aren't natural, they're like nothing on earth I've ever seen" I nearly spit coffee all over my computer!

The above statement is about as reflective as lunar soil to the kind of attitude some HB's exhibit.

reply to post by Riposte


It's an actual failed experiment by incompotent idiot. I addressed the issue as clear as one can. Measure it yourself.

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Riposte

 

It's an actual failed experiment by incompotent idiot. I addressed the issue as clear as one can. Measure it yourself.

You really like to call people names that you don't agree with. Anyway, you didn't address the issue at all. You don't address issues by ad hominem attacks and rejection of evidence due to your opinion of the credibility of the messenger.

Are we even talking about the same thing? Why would you want me to personally measure the albedo of the moon when countless other organizations have already done that?

Originally posted by Riposte

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by PsykoOps
reply to post by Riposte

 

Well go out and see how the moon shines. It's plenty enough.

Everyone knows the moon reflects sunlight, don't they? I don't know why people insist on this moon hoax stuff when there's plenty of real conspiracies in govt today that they are ignoring.

It's not a complete lack of reflection. The issue is that it doesn't reflect enough light to illuminate the backside of an object in a photograph.

Also, people have the ability to think about more than one issue at a time. I'm not ignoring other conspiracies by talking about this one.

What are you trying to prove with the moon hoax thing? That we weren't as good as Russia and that our govt produced this whole thing to hoax the world into believing USA is a real superpower? Yes, the Space Race had it's place in history but I just don't believe they would build all those rockets and bring people to watch the liftoffs only to hoax people with some kind of fake landing pics. If they were going to do this, then why didn't they fake a landing with the Apollo failure instead of letting everyone know the guys didn't make it and that their lives were even in jeopardy from the problems in the mission?

I'm just saying, there are enough other more immediate conspiratorial things to focus on than worry about a faked moon landing. I'm more concerned with the activities of Skull and Bones, CFR, Bilderbergs, and George Soros and his handful of Communist infiltrators, plus the Federal Reserve issue.

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
I wouldn't consider Jarrah White as an honest objective person at all, but hey.

Well that's fine. But I'm not trying to prove his objectivity and amount of honesty by simply showing the fact that the backside of objects are not illuminated in photographs taken on surfaces with the same albedo as the moon. There are also inconsistencies in other photographs, where the backside of astronauts and objects are much darker than the side facing the sun, which one would expect.

So the only conclusion I can come to here is that there is another light source or reflector being used to take this photograph.

Originally posted by votan
I havne't believed in the moon landing since i learned about it when i was a kid.

Are you still a little kid?
Now tell me kid, what did you pick up in school today dear little boy of mine? What did the bastards pushed you with dear little Cowboy of mine? Then you are supposed to say >>I learned we were the first to put a man on the Moon, and i'm sure we will have a McDonal up there soon, the next step will be a military base, but of course just to protect the human race out from space just in case, that's what we learn in school today that's what we learn in school

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In looking at this picture, it does almost appear to have a cloth setting underneath the foot of the landing module, however it forms itself exactly to the small craters and pits underneath it, so I am going to say that it is a slight discoloration due to shadows of the module itself. Have you ever looked at the colors of a painted room in different times of daylight and seen how the shade almost looks different, or how the shadow of an object seems to discolor areas of the walls? Well, that's what I think is happening here.

whats very weird is the fact that in the visor there is no reflection of whom or what took the photo

reply to post by WWu777


What you say is true. But the way I've learned is that it did happen on the Moon. But the question arises; did they already know?

Buzz jumping around like it's nothing, yeah right! It would make any basketball player proud that he's jumping around with 180 lbs of extra useless weight on him, only under 6" high jumps.

Plus, they saw the stars when they hit the surface. They didn't when they were traveling there.

To add insult to injury to their already damage status quo, WHY DO YOU NEED A BUGGY?!

reply to post by Riposte


The thing is that lighting conditions on the moon are simply not what we have come to expect here on Earth, and, depending on your disposition, you either see this as an interesting phenomenon or signs of trickery.

Jarrah White and people like him draw erroneous conclusions and lead you down the garden path with their pseudo science and, again depending on your disposition, you either see him as a charlatan/liar or a purveyor of hidden truths.

Personally I don't think that people who believe the landings were faked spend enough time scrutinizing the sources of the claims.

reply to post by GarrusVasNormandy

Because they lost the space race, which was of major importance in that time period in our history.

Sounds more like KGB disinfo to me!

Originally posted by Chemicalbrother
The Russians have mirrors there too. Did they go to the moon?
Moon Mirrors

Like i said on Page 34 in this "Faked Moon Landing - Amazing Documentary" thread www.abovetopsecret.com...

1) It's a known fact that the russians did try to reach for the Moon, the Russians had too much failures and delays, and rumors told that Soviet leaders had chosen a wrong russian rocket scientist from the beginning to design the russian Moon rocket because of conflict of interests between Soviet leaders and the russian scientists, that's what the rumors tells.
Another thing is that local russian citizens also told some dark facts about the N1 Moon rocket tests... The local russians complained about pollution from the russian N1 Moon rocket tests , and some of these local russians who complained about pollution from the N1 Moon rocket tests were interviewed on TV (the interviews of some of these local russians were shown on TV either in the late 1970's or beginning of the 1980's).
So yes, the Russians tried to beat the Americans to the Moon after the Russians beated the Americans as the first man in space (Yuri Gagarin), the first woman in space (Valentina Tereshkova), and the first man to walk in space (Alexei Leonov). The Soviets wanted to win all disciplines in the space race, the Soviet officials did not want to admit they lost the race to the Moon, they hated to lose that Moon race, so they tried to convince the public that the russians never tried to reach for the Moon, but it's a known fact that the russians did try to beat the Americans to the Moon.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
2) Closed minded skeptics claim that astronauts could never have travelled to the Moon because of dangerous cosmic radiation and heat from the sun, but the astronauts were in fact affected by some amount of cosmic radiaton, the astronauts also had to get used to the Earth gravity again after they returned back to Earth, some of the astronauts got ill, and some of the astronauts died of bone-cancer because they were exposed to dangerous radiation from space.

3) The astronauts reportedly brought back Moon rocks as proof and that's how NASA scientists reportedly could determine the age of the Moon.

4) Moon fotos shows the astronauts were there.

5) "reply posted on 9-6-2012 @ 03:52 AM by Anunaki10" on Page 34 "Faked Moon Landing - Amazing Documentary" thread, the Astronauts reportedly witnessed UFOs on the Moon while they walked there, and you can actually also see from this video how the Astronauts landed on the Moon,

and from about 3:30 into that video clip you can hear Neil Armstrong say >>God, what is that out there?... What the hell is that???... But this is unbelievable!>Did our astronauts "see things" (on the Moon)? Absolutely>Another incident i knew someone in quarantine with the Apollo Astronauts, he told me that the Apollo Astronauts saw craft on the Moon when they landed, and that is what he told me, and he also was afraid he said that the Astronauts were told to keep this quiet, they are not allowed to talk about it

Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by Fr3bzY

 

Divergent shadows are due to perspective and show the unevenness of the terrain they fall on, nothing more.

Explain this photo, more than one light source?:

edit on 28-11-2012 by seabhac-rua because: (no reason given)

I kinda sit on the fence on this conspiracy which drives me mad, I see little evidence in the OP's presentation of the cloth canvas although the posts and counter posts regarding shadow does have me intrigued. The image you presented here, to me, seems odd, there may well be a perspective in play and that's something to be tested but I'm struggling to find any images to support this one (and I've been looking really hard). In addition, I found it extremely interesting that the author that took that photo presented it in a discussion on the very same subject we are debating here (cosmoquest.org...).

A couple of photos I found that don't support this shadow notion;
www.flickr.com...@N03/5965174702
www.flickr.com...

and a quick process of the image you posted run through an error level analyzer (ELA)


The odd thing about the process run is generally shadows are shown black (like the trees in the background and the person taking the photo), yet the shadows cast by the stumps are bright white. I tried this out on multiple images online with shadows included the two flickr images I linked above, all shadows came out black. Is the authenticity of the image you use to support your theory also a fake ?

I’m not attacking your argument seabhac-rua just the evidence you chose to present your point.

It just occurred to me why the moon photos are done in black & white -- it's much easier to hide the fakery when there's no color.

I just don't get people like you who will trawl old moon pictures searching for something to satisfy your inane quest and beliefs to redicule an astonishing accomplishment.
Why do you so easily believe its fake when the have been images from Hubble of the old landing sites, even imaging the footsteps of the astronauts. How do you think the reflector got there for us to measure the distance of the moon from earth?

Are you a scientist? Are you totally compus mentus regarding the physics of light and shadows bouncing off the moons surface with a third gravity? Have you been there? Do you actually know that it should look differently? I'm pretty sure if you looked closely enough I dare say you'd find a snicker bar on the surface too.......

I'm an open minded sceptic, but I think you totally disregard mans accomplishment and actually offend the brilliant minds and efforts of thousands who made this happen. Shame, shame you offend these men's legacy.
Perhaps for your next assignment you should analyse religion.....4 billion people believe in something with no tangible or physical proof....just faith.....something to get your teeth into. Good luck.