NASA says Mars discovery isn't 'earthshaking' after all

As if it ever was going to be.... !!!!!

Oh hilarious.

Even a mistake turns out to be a conspiracy.

ATS reveals the insanity of humans more than any other device or method in all of history.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Oh hilarious.

Even a mistake turns out to be a conspiracy.

ATS reveals the insanity of humans more than any other device or method in all of history.

What, even the witchhunts?
Oh, actually I guess the level of logic being used to prove a conspiracy is about the same level as the logic used to prove someone a witch, so you could be right.

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Well then that NASA scientist shouldn't be making statements to the press.

So what you're saying is, you want NASA to be less open and transparent.

Ahh there it is, the good 'ol sweet government putting a can on half the information, and giving the public a half-ass report. Oh how i love the American government, to selfish to share a simple little fact.

God damn it.

Why the F do they say anything at all if they aren't going to share.

We want a refund from our taxes.

What kind of sick sadistic crap is this. Like when that girl you liked in Grade school would tease you all day with a huge revelation, just to say you had big ears at the end of the day.....

AGHHHH

I want something really important to be reveled when they say so, or for them to keep the crap they do find to themselves entirely. I don't even want to know we went to mars if all we get is filtered pictures, hearsay and crap about the rock formations.

I can't take it anymore. I LOVE MARS. I wish they would just come clean about everything and stop with this retarded back and forth. They seem like the Catholic church circa the 1400´s.

Like kids with a porno mag in class hovering over it in the corner and they won't show you, but make a big deal about it.

I hate you NASA.

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Are these threads closed to others when you post? I was refering to you two's back and fourth on other threads as well. But as expected, you replied with gile & angst. Monies still on Slayer69.

The very brief article that heads up this thread was mainly about the minimizing remarks of Mr. Guy Webster, who is a press operative for JPL, not a scientist. As such, he is very unlikely to be privy to the information that the Curiosity science team has, and has been holding onto so closely. In an article is this morning's New York Times, Mr. Webster admits that he does not know what Curiosity has found.
Meanwhile, Charles Elachi, director at JPL, has said at a meeting in Rome that Curiosity may have found organic molecules. He adds that the matter will be discussed at the American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco, on Dec. 3rd.
The discovery of organic molecules on Mars may not sound like 'one for the history books', but there are a few more details to consider.
First-- if these molecules are complex enough, the best explanation for them may be the presence of life. Second -- Curiosity is capable of analyzing the isotopic ratios of the carbon, which is found in all organic compounds. Carbon 12, the lightest stable isotope, is preferentially used by life processes. If it predominates in a sample of Martian soil, the likely meaning is that life is or was present on Mars.
Third-- The Viking landers found strong indications of life on Mars in 1976. These findings were dismissed when organic matter could not be found in the soil. It is believed that organic matter should be found in the presence of life. If Curiosity has found organic matter so readily, now, it suggests that these are widespread, were destroyed by the Viking test procedures, and just may complete the picture of life, currently existing on Mars. Link to NY Times article: www.nytimes.com...

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
Off Topic Post. I was gonna chime in. But as I keep reading the pages. It was way more fun to watch Slayer69 & Phage go tit for tat. My monies on Slayer 69. He has a better way of coming across in his threads. The ability to speak to all. Where as Phage is more toward a specific group. Nothing against either of you, I enjoy watching you two's banter. As stated, a tit for tat.

The rover will however find something in it's mission. It will have too or the funding will dry up faster than that elusive Martian water.

I like both of them, but 99.999% of my money is on Phage 99.999% of the time

There aren't many folks I would bow to intellectually, but Phage is one of them.


....and NASA has been the most influential and most worthwhile venture the country has ever undertaken ...for those whining and complaining about it.

Well seems like their is nothing to this story and they got it wrong according to Curiosity's facebook page.....

Everybody, chill. After careful analysis, there are NO Martian organics in recent samples. go.nasa.gov... Why the wait? We're moving at the speed of science. My team needed time to analyze the data. But turn that frown upside down: We're less than four months into a multi-year mission. We've only just begun!

I hesitate to interpret what was said too closely, at this point. I will at least note that it was said that no *definitive* evidence of organic compounds on Mars has been detected, NOT that there are no organics. If there were no evidence of them at all, they could have said so without the qualifying 'definitive'. Definitive evidence seems to be essentially proof. Responsible scientists will not be speaking in terms of proof at this point. This all based on a single soil sample, with the chemical test results examined only by the Curiosity team. Many more samples, many more tests, and peer review lie between this potential discovery and scientific proof.

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Entirely agree with your statement. Maybe there is something, but lots of research and review are still needed by NASA then outsiders too.

Oh well, the waiting game continues...

Just another instance where the news media gets to play devil's advocate and sensationalize something in an effort to get the masses chattering about it, excited over it, and buying into it. Like bath salts for instance.. or meth.. saying how it's rampant, then everyone and his brother starts using bath salts because according to the news, it's the hot new thing... then, they can accidentally realize they caused a spike in usage by covering it so heavily, then say "Oops" when it was intentional from the get-go.

Looks like people didn't get all excited, on the edges of their seats, for this one, so now they are downplaying it so they don't look stupid.

But it also works in the end as the people not caring as much about what their governments are doing in space. Most people already think they make a big deal out of small things like microbes, so, why would anybody even pay attention to this sort of thing anymore? Exactly. So, now, they can just do whatever they want up there because nobody cares and is bored with it already.

They aren't looking for life, more like trying to put some kind of weapon into space or surely something else self-destructive.

See I don't get it. Why bother with the carrot. We know NASA has been and always will be militarized. Their approach of ultimate secrecy until some of their people can have papers ready to publish on the findings is just lame.

I am so disillusioned with Mars and all the other explorations that I am just going to have to ignore it all until a couple decades pass and they "discover" whatever it is they already have.

I am just tired of the attention seeking for money and support.

I am not un appreciative. I would be thrilled to find microbial life. I appreciate the images of the universe. I spend most of my free time when possible just looking at all the wealth of information already available.

I think it is just a little bit of BS to keep people in the dark about humanities greatest endeavor.

And yes they are keeping things hush hush. The fact they deny it is just more fuel to the fire. The relationship of NASA to the military is no secret to anyone. The way they lie about it all, is just more aggravating.

NASA is just too lame to take seriously anymore. It is a members only club and honestly, they can start to pay for their own toys and play time. I am just sick of it.

NASA should not be allowed to keep secrets, after all its funded by the same people they keep their secrets from. tax payers - seems like your really getting screwed over to me

i always get the impression they have alternate motives and secret operations going on

So what did it end up being? Wasn't the announcement supposed to be on December 2nd? Was the announcement made? Where can I go to read it? I haven't seen any news. Can anyone clarify?

Thanks.

Peace.

reply to post by AceWombat04

No.
There was to be no "announcement". The most recent results from the SAM are to be discussed at the upcoming AGU meeting. That's all it ever was.
fallmeeting.agu.org...

reply to post by Phage


Ah. As I said in the other topics, thanks, Phage.

I still think any progress and expansion of knowledge is a good thing and not worth feeling disappointed about (at least not personally.)

Peace.

REMINDER: Today, noon EST NASA is to make its announcement.

The event site: fallmeeting.agu.org...