Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

originally posted by: Misinformation

Only the propagandist deal in Absolutes ....

Do you have any idea what irony is?

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

No, I think people who think we didn't go to the moon are either liars or stupid. Kaysing may well have been both.

Well like many supposed clever people who claim that the Apollo Moon landings are a hoax you often find out they rely on the so called problems with photographs but when you delve deeper you find out when it comes to photography they just don't have a clue SO on that subject he was REALLY stupid and that includes MANY on here that continue with this BS.

a reply to: turbonium1

A major factor you're forgetting is that actual lunar samples have been studied under electron microscopes, x-rayed and basically given ever test that geologists can think of an there has never been any question of their authenticity. This piece of petrified wood was put on display and a geologist could tell WITH THE NAKED EYE that it certainly wasn't a lunar sample (too big, wrong colour . . . it was a piece of petrified wood). Yes, according to you the US government could fake a lunar landing without leaving a single shred of evidence but they make a fake a moon rock that can be noticed as being fake by simply looking at it.

originally posted by: Misinformation


Only the propagandist deal in Absolutes ....

Comedy gold right there....

a reply to: the propagandist


obviously the oppressive propagandist have already effectively failed,,, their only remaining objective appears to be too subvert the invevitable disclosure for a tediously protracted interval regardless of the excessive quantities of elaborate doublethink & exceedingly convoluted explanations involved.. hence why this thread has endured for such duration ...

a reply to: Misinformation

Poor little chap :-( You try so hard to come across as clever, perhaps you even believe you are... Chin up old bean.

a reply to: Misinformation

the only thing that has failed - is the attempt to educate hoax believers

and the reason this thread has gone one so long is because the [ hoax believers ] just keep regurgitating the same nonesense

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: the propagandist


obviously the oppressive propagandist have already effectively failed,,, their only remaining objective appears to be too subvert the invevitable disclosure for a tediously protracted interval regardless of the excessive quantities of elaborate doublethink & exceedingly convoluted explanations involved.. hence why this thread has endured for such duration ...

Flip back through the thread what happens is someone comes on with an argument that has been explained but they don't read through it. The same things are repeated over and over because the conspiracy sites all have exactly the same points. It has all been answered go back in here far enough you'll find posts from me explain in detail radiation levels and the human Body. Along the way I learned for me spending my time to educate someone on science when they can't comprehend it is a useless endeavor.

All you have done is rehashed the same things others have said earlier it's time for the pictures to come back around again havnt seen that one In a while. And once again people Wil explain the videos and pictures to people explain the science and once again someone will bring up an old topic and start it all over again. I know the last study I saw said about 7 percent of people think the moon landing is faked. As a general rule you can get 10 percent of people to believe anything they are highly suggestable.

Here's some fun facts for people so as not to waist my time.

21 % believe aliens crashed in Roswell.

6 % Osama bin Laden is still alive.

13% of voters think Barack Obama is the anti-Christ

4% of voters say they believe “lizard people” control our societies by gaining political power

51% of voters say a larger conspiracy was at work in the JFK assassination, just 25% say Oswald acted alone

14% of voters believe in Bigfoot

15% of voters say the government or the media adds mind-controlling technology to TV broadcast signals (the so-called Tinfoil Hat crowd)

28% of voters believe Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks.

5 % believe airplanes put out toxic chemicals. may post some more another time

originally posted by: choos

apparently that wasnt the only thing he believed:

N - How 'bout any actual atmosphere, like John Glenn in space, Yuri Gargarin - were they actually in space?
BK - I doubt it.

N - So the Soviet Union faked that Yuri Gargarin was in space, and that dog that died, Laika, really didn't die?
BK - Mmm...I don't think he was up there. See, there was a fellow by the name of Lloyd Mallin in the early '70s who wrote a very detailed book saying that all - well, nearly all - possibly all of the Soviet space exploits were faked, and he proved it with photographs and technical data and so forth. I still have a copy of that book.
nardwuar.com...

he even believes NASA and the soviets couldnt even get man to LEO..

You don't understand his point here, that's the whole problem.

He isn't saying manned flights in LEO are/were impossible, but that some have likely been faked. Period.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: choos

apparently that wasnt the only thing he believed:

N - How 'bout any actual atmosphere, like John Glenn in space, Yuri Gargarin - were they actually in space?
BK - I doubt it.

N - So the Soviet Union faked that Yuri Gargarin was in space, and that dog that died, Laika, really didn't die?
BK - Mmm...I don't think he was up there. See, there was a fellow by the name of Lloyd Mallin in the early '70s who wrote a very detailed book saying that all - well, nearly all - possibly all of the Soviet space exploits were faked, and he proved it with photographs and technical data and so forth. I still have a copy of that book.
nardwuar.com...

he even believes NASA and the soviets couldnt even get man to LEO..

You don't understand his point here, that's the whole problem.

He isn't saying manned flights in LEO are/were impossible, but that some have likely been faked. Period.

so you are arguing that the soviets had the ability to get a man in LEO.. but chose to fake it.. that makes perfect sense..

and he isnt saying some were faked.. he is saying that a large majority was faked, possibly ALL soviets missions.. so why do they need to fake more than one manned LEO if they had the rockets and equipment to do so?

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: the propagandist


obviously the oppressive propagandist have already effectively failed,,, their only remaining objective appears to be too subvert the invevitable disclosure for a tediously protracted interval regardless of the excessive quantities of elaborate doublethink & exceedingly convoluted explanations involved.. hence why this thread has endured for such duration ...

The Apollo Defenders are having a great circle jerk in this thread but they won't forget the Russian Glass Ceiling exists at 475km and nobody goes that high in space altitude except Richard Nixon's Dirty Dozens.

a reply to: dragonridr

I never thought that I would say this but that was a very good point you made, dragonbro. I agree, People everywhere believe in all kinds of carzy siht.

But what percent of people worldwide who know enough about Apollo to debate about it? Probably .001%. Ask 100 people what they know about Apollo and you will soon figure out that they don't know anything about it. But they saw it on TV so it must be real.

The Apollo Reviewers are here to stay, dragon, we aim to stay here and do our job.

475km Glass Ceiling. Deal with it.

originally posted by: captainpudding
a reply to: turbonium1

A major factor you're forgetting is that actual lunar samples have been studied under electron microscopes, x-rayed and basically given ever test that geologists can think of an there has never been any question of their authenticity. This piece of petrified wood was put on display and a geologist could tell WITH THE NAKED EYE that it certainly wasn't a lunar sample (too big, wrong colour . . . it was a piece of petrified wood). Yes, according to you the US government could fake a lunar landing without leaving a single shred of evidence but they make a fake a moon rock that can be noticed as being fake by simply looking at it.

You're saying - NASA would never have tried to pass off a fake 'moon rock', since it's obvious to know it cannot be a genuine moon rock, at a glance.

First, it was never meant to be studied, in any shape or form, when it was presented.

It was meant as a gift, to commemorate the Apollo 11 visit.

Why would the US Ambassador and/or the ex PM have had any reason to believe it was not a genuine 'moon rock'??

The US Ambassador said he knew/knows nothing about the 'moon rock' being "not real".


Years later, geologists saw it, and could tell it was 'most likely' not a genuine moon rock, just by sight..

That's how we came to know about it being a fake.

You think it's a great excuse, in being caught red-handed.. !

Dream away...

I never liked the Dutch Fake Moon Rock (DFMR) conspiracy. I think it is a weak argument for the conspiracy side. We all know that the Nixon administration gave out moon rocks encased in clear plastic lucite something like this.


How did the Dutch get a moon rock that wasn't encased in plastic?

Did NASA or other US ambassadors hand out plain moon rocks to other countries? It was my understanding that all the Nixon "gift rocks" were embedded in clear plastic spheres or hocky pucks.

I really don't think the DFMR conspiracy can prove that the moon landings were faked. The DFMR is a distraction.

originally posted by: choos
and he isnt saying some were faked.. he is saying that a large majority was faked, possibly ALL soviets missions.. so why do they need to fake more than one manned LEO if they had the rockets and equipment to do so?

To me, it makes perfect sense...

Manned LEO missions were being done, by that time.

The next step was manned missions beyond LEO - could NOT be done (and still cannot be done, today)

We had a main goal, at that point, which was to land a man on the moon, (as we still do, today).


Since the real mission was impossible, the choices were - to admit to the truth, or to fake the missions.


A fake mission would need to be very convincing, of course.

That's where a fake LEO mission would make sense, to me..

If they know what a real manned mission in LEO looks like, as they did, they could try and simulate it, with a fake LEO mission.

Not only that - they can all be 'perfect' missions, and yet so much cheaper than real missions..

And it all leads up to the main goal - faking the manned moon missions.

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter
Did NASA or other US ambassadors hand out plain moon rocks to other countries? It was my understanding that all the Nixon "gift rocks" were embedded in clear plastic spheres or hocky pucks.

I really don't think the DFMR conspiracy can prove that the moon landings were faked. The DFMR is a distraction.

It's a shame you're not in a position to appreciate this, but for those that can here are a couple of snaps I took yesterday of an Apollo 15 Rock and soil samples in the Vienna natural history museum:





Still not sure why you keep flogging your dead horse of a glass ceiling idea though? I'm starting to think you don't have honest intentions... it's peculiar no scientific data nor the opinions of anyone actually involved in space exploration agrees with you. Very dishonest and disappointing.

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter
I never liked the Dutch Fake Moon Rock (DFMR) conspiracy. I think it is a weak argument for the conspiracy side. We all know that the Nixon administration gave out moon rocks encased in clear plastic lucite something like this.

How did the Dutch get a moon rock that wasn't encased in plastic?

Did NASA or other US ambassadors hand out plain moon rocks to other countries? It was my understanding that all the Nixon "gift rocks" were embedded in clear plastic spheres or hocky pucks.

I really don't think the DFMR conspiracy can prove that the moon landings were faked. The DFMR is a distraction.

I agree much better evidence exists, in proving it was hoaxed. By that, I can see why you'd think of it as a distraction, when much stronger evidence exists, left aside.


However, I think it still helps the hoax argument, and weakens the Apollo-ites case.

A fake 'Apollo moon rock' is now known to exist, as a result..

a reply to: turbonium1

Were USSR radio astronomers "in on it" too?
How do you explain them mapping to a high degree of accuracy the ALSEP experiments from their transmissions?

The USSR paper from 1978 available here:

adsabs.harvard.edu...

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter
I never liked the Dutch Fake Moon Rock (DFMR) conspiracy. I think it is a weak argument for the conspiracy side. We all know that the Nixon administration gave out moon rocks encased in clear plastic lucite something like this.

How did the Dutch get a moon rock that wasn't encased in plastic?

Did NASA or other US ambassadors hand out plain moon rocks to other countries? It was my understanding that all the Nixon "gift rocks" were embedded in clear plastic spheres or hocky pucks.

I really don't think the DFMR conspiracy can prove that the moon landings were faked. The DFMR is a distraction.

I agree much better evidence exists, in proving it was hoaxed. By that, I can see why you'd think of it as a distraction, when much stronger evidence exists, left aside.


However, I think it still helps the hoax argument, and weakens the Apollo-ites case.

A fake 'Apollo moon rock' is now known to exist, as a result..

The 'fake moon rock' concerns an unofficial artifact allegedly presented to the since deceased prime minister by a US ambassador. It has no audit trail and is something that was passed to the Amsterdam Rijksmuseum by the PMs estate. Who knows where any lies started, assuming it was something presented even if it was real it was probably swapped out long ago.

However the OFFICIAL encased Apollo 11 and 17 samples are on display in the Leiden Boerhaave Museum. I can't help but wonder if we're once again witnessing hoax believer dishonesty or another demonstration of their lacking research skills..

EDIT:

*sigh* To make it worse I see this was all discussed in detail only a few pages back. Why are hoax believers compulsive liars with such bad memories?
Seriously what motivates you guys? It's certainly not a quest for truth. So terribly sad.

a reply to: turbonium1

Problem is both moon rocks given to the dutch is in a museum. This rock was claimed by his estate to be a moon rock it wasnt. The one he was given is still on display and not fake. Most likely the family knew Neal armstrong presented the Dutch with a moon rock and assumed that one was it.