Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

originally posted by: choos

send people through the VAB using Orion!!!

he is saying that they need to make sure that Orion's electronics can withstand the high radiation environment of the VAB so that humans can use Orion without it failing..

you are trying to establish that they are using Orion to find a shielding that is good at protecting humans within the VAB.

Which is confirmed by the fact they do not have developed such a shield to protect humans, further confirmed by the fact they don't know what material(s) will work in developing that shield. This shield does not yet exist. Such a shield has never existed, and they don't know if, or when, it ever WILL come to exist.

Show me the evidence they have such a shield today, if you can.

If you cannot prove this shield exists today, then you have no case.

You would think Orion would have this shield, right?

But, Orion has no such shield that I've seen, so please try and prove wrong about that.

originally posted by: turbonium1

Do you even realize that if NASA said the actual, main reason for sending probes into the VAB, was to understand how, and if, humans might one day be able to safely fly through the belts, NASA would essentially be saying that Apollo couldn't have gone through the VAB, and didn't go through the VAB, which they'd have to in order to fly to the moon, so the moon landings were a hoax? Not a chance.

so what you are suggesting is that you are making up the claims of the true VA probes intentions??

Simply consider the timeline -

In 2001, they announced a plan to 'return' man to the moon, by 2018, later by 2020.

The probes were launched after they announced this plan, in 2012, and the project was to end 2 years later, which is a few years BEFORE they planned to go to the moon, in 2018/2020.

So the timeline fits perfectly within their plans to go to the moon.

That's quite a remarkable coincidence, is it not? Not.

so you are basing your conclusion on speculation?? ok..
did you know that every single human being has breathed in oxygen and that at some point in their life they have and will die??

thats also quite the remarkable coincidence is it not??

Add the fact we didn't even know how the VAB even behaved until the probes, as well.

so you think ALL the VAB data that we have collected since the 50's was nothing?? basically saying that every single satellite that is in operation in or near the VAB was designed while not knowing anything about the VAB??

Add the fact a NASA engineer said there are problems the probes will need to help them to resolve, before they can attempt to send people through the region. The main purpose of the probes is to understand the problems involved with a manned flight traversing the region. NASA lists those points which must be understood, before taking the next step, to go to the moon.

ive said it before.. the SAMA IS part of the inner Van allen belts.. and the ISS regularly traverses through the region..

solar storms can and will also lower areas of the Van Allen belt..
but no, the ISS isnt real, right?? there is absolutely no reason for NASA to further study how the VAB should behave because the ISS is in no danger of the VAB at all since it is not real, right??

there is also not a single reason to study how solar cycles and storms can affect the VAB and its influence on communication/GPS satellites whatsoever because they are also fake, right?

THAT is the actual 'main purpose' of the probes, without a doubt.

The list is the path towards understanding the VAB, required in reaching for their TRUE goal, main purpose

again.. speculation.. you are expecting everyone to believe you because you said so..

originally posted by: turbonium1

Which is confirmed by the fact they do not have developed such a shield to protect humans, further confirmed by the fact they don't know what material(s) will work in developing that shield. This shield does not yet exist. Such a shield has never existed, and they don't know if, or when, it ever WILL come to exist.

and now you are mixing in long term mission shielding of humans in?? what is the longest Apollo mission??

Show me the evidence they have such a shield today, if you can.

If you cannot prove this shield exists today, then you have no case.

You would think Orion would have this shield, right?

But, Orion has no such shield that I've seen, so please try and prove wrong about that.

you are confusing long term mission shielding with short term mission shielding of HUMANS..
and lumping it all together with what this guy is saying about shielding the ELECTRONICS onboard Orion..

you even realised he is talking about shielding the electronics.. and now you are trying to twist in what they say about long term missions??

do you know what one extremely effective "shield" against radiation is?? exposure time..

so again.. how long was the longest Apollo mission??

Does turbonium really think it takes just two years to propose, get approval for, design and build a space probe? Really?

Here's the probe's mission:

vanallenprobes.jhuapl.edu...

Don't see any mention of people in there.

All turbonium's talk of what Orion's test programme and the VAB probes mission is doing is revealing his ignorance of how scientific research works.

Not one sentence he has cherry picked has provided any evidence whatsoever that the Apollo shielding was inadequate, not one single sentence has shown any evidence that the Apollo astronauts received a fatal dose.

a reply to: onebigmonkey
All turbonium's talk of what Orion's test programme and the VAB probes mission is doing is revealing his ignorance

the Orion test programme has vindicated the moon hoax theorist and exposed the propagandists lack of integrity....

a reply to: Misinformation

Please describe the content of the videos per T&C. Also, please stop pretending to be an idiot.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Misinformation

Please describe the content of the videos per T&C. Also, please stop pretending to be an idiot.

Pretending?

So I was looking through India's Chandrayaan dataset and found that there was a pass covering Apollo 16 that I hadn't spotted before.

I ordered the high resolution data and got to work. I then compared it with the LRO view of the site, which you can see on the left.



Notice anything?

a reply to: onebigmonkey
there you go again with the LRO delusion,,,the moon hoax theorists have already exposed the nefarious goings on with Chandrayaan and their covert photography of the apollo sites....

a reply to: Misinformation

please explain what is " nefarious "

and how is a published data set " covert " ?

a reply to: onebigmonkey

its againsty T&C to state that another member is an idiot [ doesnt matter if they are or not ]

but you can get away with asking " are you pretending to be an idiot " ?

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Chandrayaan was headed up by an ex-nasa guy , who just so happens to be expert in cosmic radition & the van allen belts,, the photography of the sites wasn't publicized ahead of time & took place on a days when few personnel were around....

interesting read that may or may not be related....Chandrayaan & the ISRO Spy case

the foundation of the Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) that took Chandrayan-1 to the moon

Love the way how the delusional hoax conspiracy believers move the goalposts so much they've got them on wheels.

You... Are.... Wrong...

The sooner you accept it the sooner you can get on with something meaningful in your lives.

Do the moon hoaxers also think the Earth is flat?

If we never went to the moon how did all the hardware get up there? One of the 6 landings they left prisms on the surface that universities hit with lasers. If their calculations are right the beam comes back. Japan's orbiter photographed all 6 of the landing sights. Oh right Japan is in on it too right. We have also photographed the landing sights. If we faked it, why 6. Why not just one and "we did it". I would think with every new hoaxed landing the chances would go up of someone sneaking their own pictures out. Or just blabing what they know which remarkedly has never happened. I have never heard one individual come forward and say i witnessed the moon landing Hoax. You know why. B/C we landed on the moon all 6 times. Dont you think the Russians tracked and monitored our trips to the Moon they of all people would have exposed America if we had faked the moon landings.

a reply to: Misinformation

AH - so you have no evidence - just acusations and crap pulled out your arse :

Chandrayaan was headed up by an ex-nasa guy ,

and ?

who just so happens to be expert in cosmic radition & the van allen belts,,

usefull skills for people involved in space programs to have - or would you rather space programs were staffed by experts in cake decoration ???

the photography of the sites wasn't publicized ahead of time & took place on a days when few personnel were around....

and ?

interesting read that may or

more irrelevant tangents - unless you plan to point out how this case affects the veracity of the images cited

so in-conclusion not nefarious and no " covert " images

a reply to: ignorant_ape

there is a general overwhelming consensus that the Chandrayaan & LRO photography has been compromised,, only the propagandists refuse too admit it due their tendency to project fallacy for public consumption.

a reply to: Misinformation

sigh - in what way are these images " comprimised " ????

what is the evidence for this claim

as for the alledged " concencus " - who comprises this " overwhelming " corpus ???????

bottom line - citations needed

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: ignorant_ape

there is a general overwhelming consensus that the Chandrayaan & LRO photography has been compromised,, only the propagandists refuse too admit it due their tendency to project fallacy for public consumption.

You people are grasping at straws so much these days it's unbelievable. I can remember 10 years ago having these discussions and the goal then was to provide evidence from other space missions that a) shows the hardware and b) confirmed radiation levels.

Now that this has been provided on numerous occasions from various sources they're 'compromised'?

Get a life.

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: onebigmonkey
there you go again with the LRO delusion,,,the moon hoax theorists have already exposed the nefarious goings on with Chandrayaan and their covert photography of the apollo sites....

You have exposed nothing but a desperate willingness to ram your head further into the sand with every piece of evidence that proves you wrong.

It is a frequently repeated whine by science deniers that there is no independent corroborating evidence for Apollo. Lo and behold as soon as some is found we get the fastest set of goalpost moving and straw clutching ever.

Please explain to me how someone's background and skillsets manages to influence the behaviour of a probe orbiting the moon.

If NASA and ISRO are in cahoots somehow, then why is that an amateur space enthusiast is the one who finds evidence of Apollo and not ISRO itself?

originally posted by: Misinformation
a reply to: ignorant_ape

there is a general overwhelming consensus that the Chandrayaan & LRO photography has been compromised,, only the propagandists refuse too admit it due their tendency to project fallacy for public consumption.

Register at the Chandrayaan website, browse their data, request it, download the viewing software and verify it for yourself.

The data set you need is TMC_NRN_20090801T023801556 from orbit 3157.

Other details the same image reveals are rocks and craters in North and South ray craters that aren't in any pre-Apollo images, and craters that are visible in the 16mm DAC footage of Apollo 16 landing that, again, aren't visible in any pre-Apollo images.

Prove it is compromised. Prove it doesn't show the details I claim it shows.