Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

personal attack??

so pointing out the flaw in your logic is a personal attack now??

and did you not read what i wrote properly?? the entire post was related to your "russian glass ceiling"

so ill ask again obviously repeating the same boring statement over and over is the only way you will understand anything:

if the Russians have a glass ceiling at 475km and that at an altitude of 476km any russian astronaut will immediately die.. they must only be Russian, any other nationality doesnt have this limit only the russians as is demonstrated by the russians themselves never having sent any russian astronaut beyond 475km..

applying the same logic we can see that SayonaraJupiter and family have a glass ceiling of 50,000feet as is demonstrated by SJ and family never even attempting to break (or even get close to) their 50,000 feet altitude glass ceiling..

do you have your own personal glass ceiling at 50,000 feet altitude that you cant pass Sayonara?

a reply to: choos

choos] personal attack??

That's right. Here is the proof of it.

choos do you have your own personal glass ceiling at 50,000 feet altitude that you cant pass Sayonara?

There you go again making it personal. I rest my case.

a reply to: choos

so ill ask again obviously repeating the same boring statement over and over is the only way you will understand anything:

if the Russians have a glass ceiling at 475km and that at an altitude of 476km any russian astronaut will immediately die.. they must only be Russian, any other nationality doesnt have this limit only the russians as is demonstrated by the russians themselves never having sent any russian astronaut beyond 475km..

Are you prepared to quote mine me and prove that I made the claim what you say I said there? Specifically this:
if the Russians have a glass ceiling at 475km and that at an altitude of 476km any russian astronaut will immediately die..

Did I really say that choos?

This is a disclosure thread and not a personal attack thread. Star my post if you agree with what I just said.

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

its merely pointing out the flaw in your logic..

but you making a fuss over it being a personal attack instead of justifying your logic is quite interesting.

why do you find the need to not justify your logic and instead divert away from it?

so then SJ since you insist, my family and myself have never been above 50,000 feet also.. do we have a glass ceiling?? if one of us manages to get to 50,100 feet will that family member suddenly die?

justify your logic.

Are you prepared to quote mine me and prove that I made the claim what you say I said there? Specifically this:
if the Russians have a glass ceiling at 475km and that at an altitude of 476km any russian astronaut will immediately die..

Did I really say that choos?

so do the russians have a glass ceiling at 475km that they cannot under any circumstances pass?? you said this:

"The Soviets are the enemy so powerful and so dangerous but they can't ... can't .... can't get a man over 475km in space altitude."

are you not suggesting that the Russians find it impossible to get a Russian astronaut above 475km?? why is it impossible?? will Russian astronauts immediately die at 476km??

a reply to: choos

justify your logic.

Hilarious choos. I'm sure that the other Apollo Defenders are taking notes on your expert chess moves.
justify your logic my ass.

a reply to: ppk55

I don't get this conspiracy. I live in Scotland, I'm in my late 40's and one of my best memories from school days was meeting Buzz Aldren. He came to our school (he was descended from Scots - his grandparents I think) as he did many other schools at the time (early 1980's) to talk about his experience as an astronaut. That's one hell of a long running conspiracy - depending on immorality of the star players and them being willing to lie. That was one very convincing act by Mr Aldren, all those years later. Now, why would he do that?

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

And yet again you have avoided it..

Why do you keep avoiding justifying your logic?

Is it because you realize how ridiculous your argument is so instead you refuse to acknowledge how illogical your argument is and try to divert it altogether?
It's quite telling seeing this behaviour though, it's telling me that you are deliberately using an illogical argument to justify your belief in the moon hoax theory.. I wonder why you feel the need to rely on made up illogical arguments to support your moon hoax theory ?

Or would you perhaps maybe finally get around to justifying you argument?

Let's say Jim and his family have never been on an aircraft, there was one time they went up a mountain for a holiday and reached a maximum altitude of 8,000feet.

Using your logic SJ, we should conclude that Jim and his family have a glass ceiling of 8,000 feet. Jim is a big guy, very dangerous but powerful person but he can't cant cant break their glass ceiling of 8,000 feet.

Using this argument which is based on your logic we can also conclude that no man has ever been to space.

a reply to: christina-66

one of my best memories from school days was meeting Buzz Aldren. He came to our school

How do you know it was the real Buzz?

Now, why would he do that?

Were you shown Apollo films before or after he came to your school? I am very interested in your personal anecdote. Please tell us some more details.... do you recall what year it was?

a reply to: choos

choos you want to dwell on non-material details such as my personal motives. I really don't mind talking with you choos but you have to understand that your hypotheticals are not only annoying but they are completely off-topic. Let me put this into perspective fore you. These are the space altitude records courtesy of www.astronautix.com...

1965-03-18 - Voskhod 2 - Belyayev, Leonov - 475 km apogee orbit
************RUSSIAN GLASS CEILING****************
1966-07-18 - Gemini 10 - Collins, Young - 763 km apogee orbit
1966-09-14 - Gemini 11 - Conrad, Gordon - 1,372 km apogee orbit
1968-12-24 - Apollo 8 - Anders, Borman, Lovell - 378,504 km altitude in first circumlunar flight
1970-04-14 - Apollo 13 - Haise, Lovell, Swigert - 401,056 km altitude in emergency return trajectory

As an historical note: the Gemini X altitude records were created unintentionally because of the problems they had with the Agena rendezvous.

Gemini X reached an orbit that measured 763 kilometers at the top and 294 kilometers at the bottom. The Agena had pushed the spacecraft more than 463 kilometers above its initial apogee. Young and Collins now viewed Earth from a higher elevation than any human beings ever had.

And the technically incompetent Michael Collins of Gemini X and who later starred in Nixon's Apollo 11.

At entry into orbit, Gemini X trailed its Agena by 1,800 kilometers. Flight Director Lunney told the crew they were all set for a fourth-orbit rendezvous. Collins unstowed a Kollsman sextant to sight on selected stars for an attempt at optical navigation. Young pointed the spacecraft while his crewmate tried to find the horizon. Collins realized that he was using the wrong reference when he saw stars below the line. He had been mistaking the airglow, a band of radiant light from the upper atmosphere, for the horizon. Even after he corrected this, Collins could not get the lens of the sextant to work properly, as the optical image of the stars did not agree with what he had been taught. He laid the Kollsman aside and tried an Ilon instrument, but that was little help as the Ilon had a severely limited field of view.

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

thats great Sayonara, and Jim also has a record altitude of 8,000 feet..

does that mean jim and his family have a "jim's glass ceiling" of 8,000 feet??

you still have yet to clarify.

you may find this annoying but apparently your mind only understands repetition ad nauseam since i noticed you havent mentioned the "russian glass ceiling" in your last few posts, although you are still refering to it, i would consider it a slight improvement.

a reply to: choos

and Jim also has a record altitude of 8,000 feet..

does that mean jim and his family have a "jim's glass ceiling" of 8,000 feet??

WTF are you talking about choos. Will you tell us about "Jim" and why do you keep referring to "Jim"? What "Jim" are you referring to?

Are you referring to Jim Irwin the Mormon Air Force pilot who worked for Howard Hughes on the Falcon missiles and the same Jim Irwin who had heart problems on the moon and the same Jim Irwin that nearly got himself killed looking for Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat? en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

you know which Jim im referring to.. you continually play the fool.. why are you always so intellectually dishonest??

answer the simple question, does hypothetical Jim have a "Jim's glass ceiling" of 8,000 feet just like your "Russian glass ceiling"??

As an historical note: the Gemini X altitude records were created unintentionally because of the problems they had with the Agena rendezvous.

and again.. spreading lies.. 763km Apogee was NOT unintentional why are you trying to distort the truth??

a reply to: choos

you know which Jim im referring to..

Perhaps you are referring to Star Trek when Dr. Leonard McCoy refers to Captain James T. Kirk as "Jim".

Godammit Jim I'm a Reviewer not a Hoax Believer!

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

again distract and detract.. this proves you understand that your own argument is illogical.. your "russian glass ceiling" is a fallacy and now you realise it..

well done it just took you several months to realise.. everyone moves at their own pace i guess.

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

again distract and detract.. this proves you understand that your own argument is illogical.. your "russian glass ceiling" is a fallacy and now you realise it..

well done it just took you several months to realise.. everyone moves at their own pace i guess.

How can the Russian Glass Ceiling be a fallacy? I showed you the proof on astronautix. Are you saying that astronautix is wrong?

50- year anniversary of the Russian Glass Ceiling on March 18, 2015

choos, and every Apollo Defender, let me remind you that on March 18th, 2015 it will be the 50th anniversary of the Russian space altitude record of 475km.

That is the Voshkod 2 space altitude record and they stopped trying 50 years ago.
1965-03-18 - Voskhod 2 - Belyayev, Leonov - 475 km apogee orbit

a reply to: SayonaraJupiter

The Russians have sent uncrewed vehicles to the Moon, Mars and Venus. Your alleged " glass ceiling" is due to weight restrictions. Roscosmos has announced plans to send crewed vehicles to the Moon as soon as they get their N1 reliable enough to be man-rated.

rt.com...

originally posted by: SayonaraJupiter

How can the Russian Glass Ceiling be a fallacy? I showed you the proof on astronautix. Are you saying that astronautix is wrong?

You believe the Russians cannot send a Russian astronaut higher than 475km due to some reason you made up.

the Russians haven't sent an astronaut higher than 475km because they haven't done so, not that it is impossible for them to do so because they will die, as you imply, that's the fallacy.

So are you ready to clarify what you believe will happen to the Russian astronaut that reaches 476km?? Or are you going to hold onto your fallacy? Will the Russian astronaut at 476km altitude die or survive and what will it mean for your "Russian glass ceiling"?

I would have thought you would know your own argument when you make it, perhaps I gave you too much credit.