Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

combatmaster
reply to post by markmanning303

 

Those people are ignorant! They wont listen.... they just like to believe that its impossible!

True they usually have a reason they want to believe this it ranges from hatred and distrust of the government to people who believe it was faked because aliens live on the moon and told us to get out! I think judging from postings ive read Senyora Jupiter is in this category. He thinks we went but were forced to fake it it becomes obvious reading his posts as he jumps back and forth.

reply to post by dragonridr


Now as i promised i will deal with questions brought up about the Van Allen Belt.this may take a couple of posts and as i said earlier didnt have the time.

Ok lets talk about the van allen belts as we know seems like every one has heard how lethal it is from all the conspiracy sites. So lets see if they are right and would traveling through them kill us?

This is the van allen belts as we learned recently sometimes the second belt can split and become two. This is due to very low frequency waves (chorus waves) just like tides they push the electrons in a circle around the earth and continue to build speed until they are traveling just below the speed of light and sometimes forming 3 belts instead of two. This effect is short lived last one we observed lasted about 4 weeks and are not man made. Heres an article to learn more-

scienceblog.com...

www.space.com...

So now that we know what they look like and how the belts form now lets look at radiation levels are astronaut will receive so lets name him after all if were going to kill him we should at least know his name right. So will call him Yuri Sheppard his mom really likes astronauts. So here he is in his spacecraft ready for lift off lets see what happens. First to get into orbit we have to reach escape velocity which is about 7 miles per second or 11.2 km per second. So lets convert this this means are space craft has to be moving at least 25200 MP/H or 40320 KM/H. So we know are spacecraft is moving at least 40320 kmh and we know the first belt 1000 km to 6000 km and the second belt 13000 km to 60000km so were down to some simple math.

Now the first belt can really be avoided all most all together because its near the equator but for are sake lets include it. The first belt is 5000 km and the speed of our rocket is 40320 kmh so this means we can clear this belt in 7.44 a little less then 7 and a half min. Now the second belt is 47000 km are rocket is traveling at 40320 (actually a bit faster) so we take the distance and divide it by are speed and we get 69.94 or a or just short of 70 min. so we can say the time Yuri is exposed to the Van Allen belt will say 77 min. If I remember NASA had Apollo calculated to just under an hour. So were close for our purposes.

Now the radiation lets look at some data first lets look at how the probe collects it data and will look at its readings.





Ok now to make this a little easier to use I did a conversion so here it is Blue = 0.0001 Rads/sec Green= 0.001 Rads/sec Yellow= 0.005 Rads/sec Orange= 0.01 Rads/sec and Red= 0.05 Rads/sec.
Now are first belt highly dangerous luckily we can miss most of it but lets say we didn’t this is between red and yellow so will say the exposure to Yuri will be .025 Rads/sec will split the difference. We figured 7.44 min for are rocket to get through this means his rad exposure on his dosimeter would read 11.16 Rads.

Now the second belt averages between yellow and green again will split the difference and we get .0025 Rads/sec. So we figured 70 min to clear this Yuris dosimeter would now add 10.5 rads to it bringing his total exposure 21.66 Rads. This is the exposure he received now we need to convert it using his body mass. Ok so Yuri weighs 180 lbs or 81.64 kg his exposure to radiation then becomes .3769 rads per gram.Now since an exposure of 300 rads causes death are Yuri will be fine since hes almost 1000 times below that. So good news everyone we didn’t kill Yuri and make us look bad for not figuring all this out before he left. . Now mind you this is still higher then the astronauts recorded dosimeter readings they were roughly 2.5 for the entire trip but in our example here we didn’t factor in any protection for Yuri since a lot of energetic particles are blocked by the spacecraft. And of course we ran Yuri right through the entire belts instead of trying to avoid them.

dragonridr
...And of course we ran Yuri right through the entire belts instead of trying to avoid them.

Correct.

...that's a big factor right there. The trajectory of the Apollo spacecraft was designed specifically to go through the thinnest parts of the belts.

And that trajectory was a convoluted one, and it would not have been done that way if NASA didn't care about the Van Allen belts (e.g., if Apollo was faked).

reply to post by markmanning303


Congrats on your first post! Welcome to ATS

A similar formula can be used to land on the moon. In fact its quite easy if you have a rocket big enough. Understanding who built the Saturn V adds even more credibility. You should all know Wernher von Braun. The guy who invented the rocket engine that we still use today?

I think everyone in the thread is familiar with von Braun and his teams Nazi rocket men... the total weight of Apollo rests on his Saturn V shoulders. And I'm sure everyone here is aware of Operation Paperclip. But maybe some people are not aware of how the Nazi Reinhard Gehlen also inspired a new intelligence agency for the USA, it is called the CIA.

When von Braun had honest to goodness real plans to build stations on the "moon" and send people to Mars by the 1980's his research was shut down and von Braun left NASA by July of 1972.... he went to Fairchild and was diagnosed with cancer by 1973. Sometime during 1974-1977 he worked with a Carol Rosin.

According to Rosin's account, von Braun gave her a list... a list which revealed the sequence existential threats that will be used by the NWO to justify weapons in space.

Look where we are in 2013... asteroids... asteroids... ASTEROIDS!
And see what comes after asteroids?? E.T.

reply to post by dragonridr


Thanks for your informative post on the earth radiation belts. It was much better than your usual stuff.
Unfortunately, science still requires confirmation through independent testing and we are still waiting (it's been 42 years) for the president of the united states (or Vladimir Putin) to order a manned flight beyond low earth orbit.

For example, when the USA started blowing up atoms and then nukes (1945), the Russians (1949) followed by reproducing and confirming by independent testing... which was followed by UK (1952), France (1960), China (1964), India (1974) and Pakistan (1998). Wow, look at all those confirmations!

Where are your independent confirmations for sending humans/monkeys outside of low earth orbit? And why did NASA astronauts leave all but one of their Hasselblad cameras on the "moon"? What happened to Jim Irwin's Hasselblad after he brought it back from the "moon"? And why is Arizona State University erasing the cross-hairs from Apollo images under contract by NASA? Where did the 700+ boxes of Apollo telemetry tapes go? Who was the secretary of the landing site selection committee and who hired him for the job? Why do scientists refer to certain, special "moon" rocks as "KREEP"? Who was the president during every single "moon" landing mission? Did the president have a team of men called "Plumbers" who did his dirty work for the "CREEP"? Who had the prime contract to build the Surveyor spacecrafts? Who had owned half of Nevada and was the biggest employer of Nevada during the Apollo years? Who had the monopoly on communications satellites all through the 1960's? Who was the renegade movie producer in the 1930's and won an Academy Award for his masterpiece of aviation cinema, "Hell's Angels"? Who flew around the world in 1938 with top secret Army navigation equipment? Who bilked the government out of millions of dollars during the WW2? Who continued bilking the government during the Korean War (radar guided missiles with brains) and Viet Nam (helicopters)? Who could have so much power that they could buy John Wayne for $750,000 to make a movie about Genghis Khan, in the American desert, downwind from the nuclear test range in Nevada?

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Thanks for your informative post on the earth radiation belts. It was much better than your usual stuff.

Unfortunately, science still requires confirmation through independent testing and we are still waiting (it's been 42 years) for the president of the united states (or Vladimir Putin) to order a manned flight beyond low earth orbit.

For example, when the USA started blowing up atoms and then nukes (1945), the Russians (1949) followed by reproducing and confirming by independent testing... which was followed by UK (1952), France (1960), China (1964), India (1974) and Pakistan (1998). Wow, look at all those confirmations!

Where are your independent confirmations for sending humans/monkeys outside of low earth orbit?

what is physically stopping man from getting out of LEO?? if you can definitively prove to us what is physically stopping man from getting out of LEO then maybe you might have a point..

money and a will is stopping man from reaching to moon now but that is not a physical limitation.. with a will and the finances it will be possible.. so what is physically stopping man from reaching the moon?

aliens?? radiation?? what?? what made it so impossible that they had to fake it with video editing technology and techniques that didnt exist?

reply to post by choos

what is physically stopping man from getting out of LEO??

Political willpower.

if you can definitively prove to us what is physically stopping man from getting out of LEO then maybe you might have a point..

I don't have to prove it, choos. History confirms it. No humans/monkeys outside of low earth orbit since Richard Nixon was in office.

money and a will is stopping man from reaching to moon now but that is not a physical limitation.. with a will and the finances it will be possible.. so what is physically stopping man from reaching the moon?

I'll not give you a different answer just because you asked it twice, my answer remains the same: Political willpower, in a democratic society, is far more powerful than a physical or scientific limitation. The power of the mind, choos, the power of imagination can take us there. Just ask WVB or Walt Disney. Where there is NO will, there is NO way.

aliens?? radiation?? what?? what made it so impossible that they had to fake it with video editing technology and techniques that didnt exist?

Again, where there is NO will, there is NO way. NASA cancelled von Braun's newest dreams, the lunar base and the trip to Mars... and then they killed him with cancer after von Braun QUIT NASA in DISGUST!

I have to admit, choos, this is a pretty significant question that you have brought up. It's good that you are now finally recognizing reality : that Apollo was a series of notable events within a continuum of sequential events from the 1930's-1980's. Apollo is a single story, within a story, within another story.

In order for us to recover the most knowledge from history and to know the full story we (meaning, each of us) must always be prepared to dig deeply into the narratives to find out all the answers to such burning questions as :

Why are the Apollo 12 astronauts sitting on Corvettes?"


and...

What happened to Jim Irwin's defective Hasselblad that he brought back from Dune Crater?"



FYI: That picture above is not an image of Dune Crater. That's an LRO image of a swastika-like feature nestled inside a small-ish crater at, or close to, the geographical center of the Mons Hansteen "triangle".

I used the Hansteen picture only to illustrate the concept of a 'feature within a feature', which is how I ultimately view the Apollo Phenomenon, from beginning to end, as features-within-features, as movies-within-movies, produced by Howard Hughes and Nixon.

It was a 12-picture deal. A1. A7. A8. A9. A10. A11. A12. A13. A14. A15. A16. A17. With options for 3 more missions but those were declined. So December 1972 is the last time anyone was outside low earth orbit.

Does that answer your question choos?

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Where are your independent confirmations for sending humans/monkeys outside of low earth orbit?

Like the monitoring by Jodrell Bank? Or Baysinger? Or any number of other amateur trackers?

And why did NASA astronauts leave all but one of their Hasselblad cameras on the "moon"?

You know why. They weren't needed any more. They wanted to know why the other one broke.

What happened to Jim Irwin's Hasselblad after he brought it back from the "moon"?

It's in bits in a box somewhere. Any better suggestions? It was brought back and dismantled to see why it malfunctioned. They didn't bother putting it back together again.

And why is Arizona State University erasing the cross-hairs from Apollo images under contract by NASA?

You know why, it's explained on the website. It's not a secret and they are very clear as to how they do it. Why do you think this will somehow alter all the originals? Where is your evidence that the ones with the cross-hairs are being systematically being removed from every website? Where is your evidence that it somehow matters?

Where did the 700+ boxes of Apollo telemetry tapes go?

Who cares? They'd done their job. If you have a jigsaw puzzle and one piece goes missing, does this make it impossible for you to see the entire picture?

Who was the secretary of the landing site selection committee and who hired him for the job?

Who cares? Why does it matter? It's all in your head.

Why do scientists refer to certain, special "moon" rocks as "KREEP"?

Now this is really, really desperate straw-clutching. Potassium, Rare Earth Elements, Phosphorous takes longer to say.

Who was the president during every single moon landing mission?

Who set the target for the moon and set the budgets? As opposed to who crippled the program by cutting funding. Nixon stole the credit for the missions.

Did the president have a team of men called "Plumbers" who did his dirty work for the "CREEP"?

Irrelevant and you've only put this in so you can use the word creep in some kind of poisoning the well exercise. feeble.

Who had the prime contract to build the Surveyor spacecrafts?

Who cares, irrelevant.

Who had owned half of Nevada and was the biggest employer of Nevada during the Apollo years?

Who cares, irrelevant.

Who had the monopoly on communications satellites all through the 1960's? Who was the renegade movie producer in the 1930's and won an Academy Award for his masterpiece of aviation cinema, "Hell's Angels"? Who flew around the world in 1938 with top secret Army navigation equipment? Who bilked the government out of millions of dollars during the WW2? Who continued bilking the government during the Korean War (radar guided missiles with brains) and Viet Nam (helicopters)? Who could have so much power that they could buy John Wayne for $750,000 to make a movie about Genghis Khan, in the American desert, downwind from the nuclear test range in Nevada?

Can't be bothered, the standard answer is who cares? Only you.

None of your cheap propaganda techniques work, none of your posts make any difference or offer any proof of your point other than your onanistic fascination with a couple of dead people, both of which you simultaneously cast as evil genius and bumbling incompetents.

Politics is not science. Science got us to the moon, politics paid for it. I use the former because it's verifiable. Politics is opinion, it's all you have.

Got an explanation for those pictures of Jupiter yet? Preferably one that doesn't involve magic.

SayonaraJupiter

and...

What happened to Jim Irwin's defective Hasselblad that he brought back from Dune Crater?"

FYI: That picture above is not an image of Dune Crater. That's an LRO image of a swastika-like feature nestled inside a small-ish crater at, or close to, the geographical center of the Mons Hansteen "triangle".

Seeing as you mention Dune crater, here it is photographed by Apollo 15 compared with 2 LRO views actually of Dune crater. The arrows identify the same features. The third view bottom right is Dune crater viewed by Lunar Orbiter, showing the they did not have any detailed photographs of it.




Your swastika feature is imaginary, just like the rest of your evidence.

reply to post by onebigmonkey

Science got us to the moon, politics paid for it.

Maybe the world needs another Wernher von Braun? We haven't had anyone like him since 1977. The greatest rocket salesman the world has ever known... Just ask Adolph Hitler!!

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by choos

 

It was a 12-picture deal. A1. A7. A8. A9. A10. A11. A12. A13. A14. A15. A16. A17. With options for 3 more missions but those were declined. So December 1972 is the last time anyone was outside low earth orbit.

Well look at that you admit 1972 was the last time astronauts went outside low earth orbit! So this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt since you agree with this you have been trolling!

Does that answer your question choos?

I dont know about him but it answered mine you dont even believe the garbage you have been putting out in this thread!

reply to post by onebigmonkey

Seeing as you mention Dune crater, here it is photographed by Apollo 15 compared with 2 LRO views actually of Dune crater. The arrows identify the same features. The third view bottom right is Dune crater viewed by Lunar Orbiter, showing the they did not have any detailed photographs of it.

Nice CGI of Dune Crater you got there. I do not see any cross-hairs in that panorama of Dune. Did you edit the cross-hairs out or did NASA do that for you.

What's the point? Are you trying to prove that NASA/ASU does CGI special effects work for the Apollo program? well you just proved it with that CGI image you posted.

reply to post by dragonridr

Well look at that you admit 1972 was the last time astronauts went outside low earth orbit! So this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt since you agree with this you have been trolling!

Building up another straw man will not get out you of this scientific quandary : no humans/monkeys outside low earth orbit since Richard Nixon was president.

choos

i never said the bag is unable to bend.. i am saying that while in mid-air the bag appears to be rigid.. ie. it does not deform.
i say appears rigid because the bag does not deform while in mid-air.. ofcourse it can deform but because there were 0 external forces while it was in mid-air apart from gravity it maintains its shape, and does not deform so it appears rigid.

i think maybe you were focusing on the wrong word.. you might have wanted to focus on the word "appear"

You just need to use the proper terminology, so it won't raise more questions - like it did here.

The bag appears to be 'static', or 'unchanged', in its shape.

Clarify your points, and we'll move right along.

Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

The first 3 Americans in space were, Shepard, Grissom and Glenn.

Shepard and Glenn, both afflicted with labyrinthitis. Grissom died in a fire, January 1967.

Shepard had a miraculous surgery for his labyrinthitis.

choos

it does not inflate.. it expands, while it rotates about its axis the outer edges of the bag will feel like it is being thrown away from the centre of rotation that is centrifugal force..


like i said anything that rotates no matter the rotational speed experiences centrifugal force.. the less mass of the object the more that force will act on it.. its to do with inertia, the less mass something has the less force is required to move it.

the reason why you cant fathom this is because you cant imagine what it will behave like inside a VACUUM.. air resistance drastically changes the behaviour of light objects such as a plastic bag, but when air resistance is taken away you cant imagine how a rotating bag is meant to behave..

The bag had already expanded - before it even rotated once!

Centrifugal force makes no sense.

The bag is expanding the moment it's lifted upward into the air - and that's clear-cut evidence of atmospheric resistance.

No vacuum. And no centrifugal force.

SayonaraJupiter

Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

The first 3 Americans in space were, Shepard, Grissom and Glenn.

Shepard and Glenn, both afflicted with labyrinthitis. Grissom died in a fire, January 1967.

Shepard had a miraculous surgery for his labyrinthitis.

Whats so miraculous used to be quite common they would install a tube to allow the inner ear to drain. All it is is an infection of the inner ear usually caused by an upper respiratory infection. Quite common and very treatable usually without surgery, Being an astronaut i assume he didnt want to take any chances and figured that the surgery would prevent damage to his inner ear.So now my question if your not trolling why do you brng up useless things like this oh and charles manson we had elvis presley once. And bad movies by John Wayne. All have nothing to do in proving NASA didnt go to the moon yrt you bring them into the conversation. So are you just confused with history and feel you need to tell everyone the irrelevant or are you a troll?

SayonaraJupiter Political willpower.

we had the political will to get man to the moon from 1960-1972.. but this is not even a physical limitation..

I don't have to prove it, choos. History confirms it. No humans/monkeys outside of low earth orbit since Richard Nixon was in office.

you are of the opinion that it is physically impossible for man to leave LEO.. political will is not a physical limitation, it is a limitation but they had the political will to get man on the moon in the 60's..

so provide some proof to support your theory that it is absolutely impossible for man to have left LEO back in the 60's

Again, where there is NO will, there is NO way. NASA cancelled von Braun's newest dreams, the lunar base and the trip to Mars... and then they killed him with cancer after von Braun QUIT NASA in DISGUST!

no will?? all through the 60's the spent gobs of money to reach the goal of getting man to the moon.. so you have just proven yourself wrong..

whereas now, the politicians are more willing to cut NASA's budget than think about landing man on the moon..

I have to admit, choos, this is a pretty significant question that you have brought up. It's good that you are now finally recognizing reality : that Apollo was a series of notable events within a continuum of sequential events from the 1930's-1980's. Apollo is a single story, within a story, within another story.

what are you talking about??

you said political will was stopping man from reaching the moon?? they had the technology to reach the moon they spent so much money on R&D through the 60's for the purpose of reaching their goal yet political will was stopping them??? that makes no sense..

In order for us to recover the most knowledge from history and to know the full story we (meaning, each of us) must always be prepared to dig deeply into the narratives to find out all the answers to such burning questions as :

Why are the Apollo 12 astronauts sitting on Corvettes?"

has nothing to do with the impossibility of landing man on the moon.

and...

What happened to Jim Irwin's defective Hasselblad that he brought back from Dune Crater?"

does bringing back a camera mean its impossible to get to the moon??

what is it about your fixation on cameras?? cameras record data on film, they store nothing within them..

FYI: That picture above is not an image of Dune Crater. That's an LRO image of a swastika-like feature nestled inside a small-ish crater at, or close to, the geographical center of the Mons Hansteen "triangle".

swastika???? you need your eyes checked.. or maybe go see a psychiatrist.. your fixation on nazi's is abnormal..

I used the Hansteen picture only to illustrate the concept of a 'feature within a feature', which is how I ultimately view the Apollo Phenomenon, from beginning to end, as features-within-features, as movies-within-movies, produced by Howard Hughes and Nixon.

It was a 12-picture deal. A1. A7. A8. A9. A10. A11. A12. A13. A14. A15. A16. A17. With options for 3 more missions but those were declined. So December 1972 is the last time anyone was outside low earth orbit.

Does that answer your question choos?

no it doesnt.. you forgot about the years and money spent on R&D to achieve the goal of landing man on the moon.. you know.. the political will to do so..

turbonium1

The bag had already expanded - before it even rotated once!

Centrifugal force makes no sense.

The bag is expanding the moment it's lifted upward into the air - and that's clear-cut evidence of atmospheric resistance.

No vacuum. And no centrifugal force.

incorrect.. if there were an atmosphere it would not have rotated in such a "still" state.. you would need an infinite amount of strings to do that..

most of the rotation has started from the beginning, that is where the energy came from, when the bag was still touching the stick.. the rest is momentum..

centrifugal force makes perfect sense for such a lightweight object.. obviously its going to do all the expanding before it makes one full rotation, its a light object and the rotation is slow.. the forces involved are small..

being filmed with an atmosphere is what does not make any sense.. any atmosphere will inflate the bag which you do not see.. an atmosphere will also add external forces to the bag while it rotates in mid-air, given how lightweight the bag is, even the smallest force will have a visible disturbance.

ps perhaps you didnt read this the first time..

ALL ROTATING OBJECTS SLOW OR FAST WILL EXPERIENCE CENTRIFUGAL FORCE SMALL OR LARGE, THIS IS NATURE..

choos

im explaining to you that it is impossible to make a bag rotate in mid-air as it appears in the apollo footage by using threads/strings..

however it is perfectly possible to recreate it in a vacuum chamber without threads/strings.. but absolutely impossible to use threads/strings..

You claim it's impossible to create the illusion of a freely rotating object - a plastic bag, or a handkerchief, etc. - in Earth's atmosphere

You say it's impossible - not only with strings, but with ANY method ever to exist.

Here is the "impossible" illusion of a freely rotating object...

www.youtube.com...

You'll have to change the goalposts - it's possible to rotate SOME objects, now. A plastic bag ? No video clip, which means it's impossible to do!!

You can cling tight to that one final straw, and hope to hell that I don't find a video.

A slow, agonizing death, if you will.