Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

miniatus
This is one of those topics that keeps coming back and refuses to die.

There's zero evidence to support a moon landing hoax that is credible or makes any sense.. there is however a mountain of evidence that we did in fact go to the moon.

Furthermore, the communications with the crew of the moon missions were picked up by the likes of Russia ( and ham radio enthusiast ), who was competing with us in the space race. Russia has confirmed the moon landing, they monitored the missions!

Also, many countries including Russia, China and I believe even India have spotted the tracks on the moon, the lander, the flag, the foot prints.. all of it can be seen with their various satellites

Russia is not our best friend, they would have NO reason to be part of a US moon landing hoax, if we faked it they would have called us out..

edit on 9/29/2013 by miniatus because: (no reason given)

That is a valid point you make about Russia having no reason to call us out.

- SN

reply to post by Moduli

Do you think that we've all been paid off? Do you think that we somehow lack the basic physics knowledge that somehow only you have?

I really want to know this! How do you think it is that literally millions of scientists, over 40 years, haven't picked up on this, but you have?

Do you mean the telemetry data that was on the telemetry tapes that probably got dumped in a New Jersey super-fund landfill, over next door to the property owned by International Latex Corporation. You know... the company that made all the spacesuits for Apollo.

Did you find the 700 tapes? I know there are literally millions of scientists who would like to study the telemetry on those tapes. Let us know when you finally dig them up.

turbonium1

onebigmonkey

Your contention that dust heights should be much higher than on Earth is unsupported.

A man would be able to jump higher, a ball can be thrown up higher, and a small pebble can be thrown up higher...

My contention that dust would be thrown up higher is therefore....unsupported!!

Good to know!!

See? At last you've learnt something. However you conveniently ignored the rest of my post so that you can take it out of context.

Your original statement was in the context of the LADEE probe currently on its way to lunar orbit. It will examine dust that will be found in the near surface environment, which is where you find the lunar atmosphere. There will be no dust floating around thousands of feet up.

Dust and other soil particles kicked up by astronaut activity will rise further than on Earth, but the smaller particles will not, as you claim, stay up longer because there is nothing to keep them there. You ignored the video of the dust disappearing horizontally as Antares took off, something that would not happen on Earth. Why is that?

SayonaraJupiter
Do you mean the telemetry data that was on the telemetry tapes that probably got dumped in a New Jersey super-fund landfill, over next door to the property owned by International Latex Corporation. You know... the company that made all the spacesuits for Apollo.

Did you find the 700 tapes? I know there are literally millions of scientists who would like to study the telemetry on those tapes. Let us know when you finally dig them up.

missing tapes again? and ofcourse missing tapes proves that its impossible for man to reach the moon right??

you know that most of the data has been recorded elsewhere right??

heres a snippet:
history.nasa.gov...

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by Moduli

 

Do you think that we've all been paid off? Do you think that we somehow lack the basic physics knowledge that somehow only you have?

I really want to know this! How do you think it is that literally millions of scientists, over 40 years, haven't picked up on this, but you have?

Do you mean the telemetry data that was on the telemetry tapes that probably got dumped in a New Jersey super-fund landfill, over next door to the property owned by International Latex Corporation. You know... the company that made all the spacesuits for Apollo.

Did you find the 700 tapes? I know there are literally millions of scientists who would like to study the telemetry on those tapes. Let us know when you finally dig them up.

I all ready explained where they are keep up this was one of your crushing defeats in the thread.

choos
you know that most of the data has been recorded elsewhere right??

heres a snippet:
history.nasa.gov...

NASA SP-4029 is your bible, I know. But your bible shows here
history.nasa.gov...
that NASA lost track of 2 lunar modules and never made any attempt to locate them.
Obviously, NASA has something to hide with Apollo 11 Eagle and Apollo 16 Orion.

It's a losing battle for your side choos. Although it seems that the telemetry tapes are meaningless data to you.
How do you think NASA can track so many lunar space ships, with scientific precision, with pin-point engineering accuracy, but they can't find little lost Eagle and little lost Orion.???

You ought to get together with some of your Defender buddies and figure out a better answer for Eagle & Orion. Because "lost track of them" is not a valid scientific response to the question of:: Where are the modules??

Clearly you have missed the main thrust of the argument. You don't have data for Eagle & Orion, therefore, your claims of precision and accuracy in the Apollo program are dubious claims. That does not mean your SP-4029 is useless, on the contrary, we can find a lot of other problems with that Apollo scripture.

Here on this page,
history.nasa.gov...
NASA SP-4029 shows that the Apollo 11 LSEP package was "commanded OFF 27 Aug 1969" but down in the footnotes the Apollo 11 LSEP package "Apollo 11 central station no longer accepted commands as of 27 Aug 1969."

So why does NASA have two different ways for the A11 LSEP package stopped working? Was it commanded "OFF" or did it stop functioning when it "no longer accepted commands".

The SP-4029 scriptures are not in harmony. This is why the missing telemetry tapes are so valuable and why they were dumped in a New Jersey land fill (probably).

SayonaraJupiter

choos
you know that most of the data has been recorded elsewhere right??

heres a snippet:
history.nasa.gov...

NASA SP-4029 is your bible, I know. But your bible shows here
history.nasa.gov...
that NASA lost track of 2 lunar modules and never made any attempt to locate them.
Obviously, NASA has something to hide with Apollo 11 Eagle and Apollo 16 Orion.

Bible really ae you serious?Just a little over dramatic like this is the only document disputing your claims.

It's a losing battle for your side choos. Although it seems that the telemetry tapes are meaningless data to you.
How do you think NASA can track so many lunar space ships, with scientific precision, with pin-point engineering accuracy, but they can't find little lost Eagle and little lost Orion.???

You ought to get together with some of your Defender buddies and figure out a better answer for Eagle & Orion. Because "lost track of them" is not a valid scientific response to the question of:: Where are the modules??

All ready explained to you multiple times asking again doesnt change the answer.

Clearly you have missed the main thrust of the argument. You don't have data for Eagle & Orion, therefore, your claims of precision and accuracy in the Apollo program are dubious claims. That does not mean your SP-4029 is useless, on the contrary, we can find a lot of other problems with that Apollo scripture.

You have no main thrust to your argument at times you imply Apollo went to the moon but is hiding something and other times they couldnt possibly have went.I think your thrusters are failing.

Here on this page,
history.nasa.gov...
NASA SP-4029 shows that the Apollo 11 LSEP package was "commanded OFF 27 Aug 1969" but down in the footnotes the Apollo 11 LSEP package "Apollo 11 central station no longer accepted commands as of 27 Aug 1969."

So why does NASA have two different ways for the A11 LSEP package stopped working? Was it commanded "OFF" or did it stop functioning when it "no longer accepted commands".

Everyone else can figure this out im sure a person with your knowledge and vast research capability should be able to figure this out as well.

The SP-4029 scriptures are not in harmony. This is why the missing telemetry tapes are so valuable and why they were dumped in a New Jersey land fill (probably).

Your lying again since ive all ready explained to you what happened and you know there not in a land fill why do you insist on lying to people?

Thought id add this as well if your ever get those thrusters working feel free to tell us what you think happened.

The central station contained a variety of separate subsystems, including power and data transmission.

it is perfectly possible for one system not to work any more, so you use another one to turn the whole thing off.
www.hq.nasa.gov...

You also need to explain, if Apollo 11 astronauts weren't there, where the data from the passive seismic experiment came from, and how come there are photographs of the scientific equipment taken by the LRO that match precisely with photographs of the equipment and other surface details taken in situ by Armstrong and Aldrin.

As I'm here, you can't just make something up and add the word 'probably' to make it true.

SayonaraJupiter

NASA SP-4029 is your bible, I know. But your bible shows here
history.nasa.gov...
that NASA lost track of 2 lunar modules and never made any attempt to locate them.
Obviously, NASA has something to hide with Apollo 11 Eagle and Apollo 16 Orion.

still on the missing modules... so then how do you suppose they should find modules that hasnt updated their position for about 40+years?? and what could the LM ascent modules possibly hide??

It's a losing battle for your side choos. Although it seems that the telemetry tapes are meaningless data to you.
How do you think NASA can track so many lunar space ships, with scientific precision, with pin-point engineering accuracy, but they can't find little lost Eagle and little lost Orion.???

told you already, NASA is able to track so many lunar spaceships from regular updates on its position.. thats the whole point of tracking something.. seriously you know this, ive told you before how NASA is able to track objects, stop playing dumb.

You ought to get together with some of your Defender buddies and figure out a better answer for Eagle & Orion. Because "lost track of them" is not a valid scientific response to the question of:: Where are the modules??

what value will the module bring?? we cant bring them back they have no fuel for that, they dont store any data they dont have the storage for that, they cant do any experiments they were never designed to do more than what they done.. so what value do they have or can they bring?? you are saying NASA should spend the already very limited resources on finding junk.

Clearly you have missed the main thrust of the argument. You don't have data for Eagle & Orion, therefore, your claims of precision and accuracy in the Apollo program are dubious claims. That does not mean your SP-4029 is useless, on the contrary, we can find a lot of other problems with that Apollo scripture.

Here on this page,
history.nasa.gov...
NASA SP-4029 shows that the Apollo 11 LSEP package was "commanded OFF 27 Aug 1969" but down in the footnotes the Apollo 11 LSEP package "Apollo 11 central station no longer accepted commands as of 27 Aug 1969."

So why does NASA have two different ways for the A11 LSEP package stopped working? Was it commanded "OFF" or did it stop functioning when it "no longer accepted commands".

The SP-4029 scriptures are not in harmony. This is why the missing telemetry tapes are so valuable and why they were dumped in a New Jersey land fill (probably).

all its saying is the central command was not commanded off.. not the entire alsep package, only parts of it the others which could be commanded off, were.. dont know if you are playing dumb or not anymore.

grasping at straws.

reply to post by ppk55


THERE IS A REVEALING DOCUMENTRY THAT TELLS THAT THE ORIGINAL LANDING, WAS ACTUALLY FILMED IN A CLOSED STAGE IN ENGLAND BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE MOVIE "SPACE 2001"

THE ACTORS WERE CIA. ALL SINGLE AND LATER ELIMINATED TO MAINTAIN SECRECY... THE DIRECTOR NEVER LEFT HIS HOME AGAIN UNTIL HIS NATURAL DEATH.. HIS WIFE CONFIRMED THE DOCUMENTRY'S FACTS.

THIS WAS ORDERED BY NIXON AND KISSINGER, AND CARRIED OF BY RUMSFELT AND THE CIA IN CASE THE MOON TV TRANSMISSIONS WERE BAD OR IF THE MISSION WENT BAD THE DEAL WAS TO ACT LIKE THE LANDING WAS MADE AND THE CREW AND SHIP WERE LOST ON RETURNING.

THEY ACTUALLY DID GO TO THE MOON BUT NONE OF THEIR PICTURES OR FILM SURVIVED THE SUN'S LIGHT AND RADIATION EFFECT.

F4Driver
reply to post by ppk55

 

THERE IS A REVEALING DOCUMENTRY THAT TELLS THAT THE ORIGINAL LANDING, WAS ACTUALLY FILMED IN A CLOSED STAGE IN ENGLAND BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE MOVIE "SPACE 2001"

THE ACTORS WERE CIA. ALL SINGLE AND LATER ELIMINATED TO MAINTAIN SECRECY... THE DIRECTOR NEVER LEFT HIS HOME AGAIN UNTIL HIS NATURAL DEATH.. HIS WIFE CONFIRMED THE DOCUMENTRY'S FACTS.

THIS WAS ORDERED BY NIXON AND KISSINGER, AND CARRIED OF BY RUMSFELT AND THE CIA IN CASE THE MOON TV TRANSMISSIONS WERE BAD OR IF THE MISSION WENT BAD THE DEAL WAS TO ACT LIKE THE LANDING WAS MADE AND THE CREW AND SHIP WERE LOST ON RETURNING.

THEY ACTUALLY DID GO TO THE MOON BUT NONE OF THEIR PICTURES OR FILM SURVIVED THE SUN'S LIGHT AND RADIATION EFFECT.

That was a french film called dark side of the moon it was a mockumentary. Its sets out this crazy ideas and is making fun of conspiracy theorists. Buzz Aldrin even had a part in the movie and his sister. Notice real carefully if you watch it they say he was the second man to walk on the moon being the LEM pilot. Here ill let you see the last part where they let you know it was all a script. And if you notice throughout the movie the characters are people from Kubrick films. This gets passed off as real all the time because most people dont bother to realize it was a comedy. Because if you believe the moon was hoax you miss the funny lines. He also shows how you can mislead the public since some of the people he interviewed though he was talking about 2001 a space odyssey having told them hes doing a documentary on Kubrick.But it does show how people can manipulate facts to try to deceive you been happening in this thread so glad you brought it up.

en.wikipedia.org...


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SayonaraJupiter
...It's a losing battle for your side choos. Although it seems that the telemetry tapes are meaningless data to you.
How do you think NASA can track so many lunar space ships, with scientific precision, with pin-point engineering accuracy, but they can't find little lost Eagle and little lost Orion.???

NASA tracks its spacecraft with precision by using the telemetry sent by the craft -- i.e. , through active radio signals being sent from the craft.

If there are no radio signals being sent by the craft (i.e., if the batteries are dead, or the telemetry shut down), then they cannot track it with any precision. Other methods of tracking are not precise.

reply to post by choos

what value will the module bring?? we cant bring them back they have no fuel for that, they dont store any data they dont have the storage for that, they cant do any experiments they were never designed to do more than what they done.. so what value do they have or can they bring?? you are saying NASA should spend the already very limited resources on finding junk.

Well choos,

How can NASA expect to find the *danger*danger* asteroids that are a threat to the Earth when the guys & girls over at NASA can't locate the 2 missing Apollo modules using, NASA records, like SP-4029, records that proved that NASA can't find it's own objects, with known trajectories, known mass, known values!

Surely, they are gonna miss the big asteroid headed this way, according to the Von Braun Prophecy, which will be a grand celestial event, it will herald the next sequence of the NWO, and Obama might even garner a promotion at the end of the day.

A Grand Celestial Disaster Movie is on the horizon for humanity. If you think the Von Braun Prophecy is false I still haven't heard your argument against it. And no insults.

Who is guarding the Moon Rocks now???

While the government is in shut down. While government non-essential workers are not going to work.
NASA is shut down big time on this date 10-2-2013. Who is guarding Nixon's Moon Rocks?

SayonaraJupiter

Well choos,

How can NASA expect to find the *danger*danger* asteroids that are a threat to the Earth when the guys & girls over at NASA can't locate the 2 missing Apollo modules using, NASA records, like SP-4029, records that proved that NASA can't find it's own objects, with known trajectories, known mass, known values!

Surely, they are gonna miss the big asteroid headed this way, according to the Von Braun Prophecy, which will be a grand celestial event, it will herald the next sequence of the NWO, and Obama might even garner a promotion at the end of the day.

A Grand Celestial Disaster Movie is on the horizon for humanity. If you think the Von Braun Prophecy is false I still haven't heard your argument against it. And no insults.

as far as i know, NASA isnt capable of finding every single "danger danger" asteroid.. there will always be one that wont be seen until its too late, thats just the nature of space.

NASA doesnt claim to keep track of every single possible asteroid that can or will threaten earth, only the ones they find.

finding new asteroids was never about calculations, it was always about luck.. most of the time it is NOT NASA finding new asteroids, it has generally always been amateurs or other organisations around the world. so you claiming that NASA not being able to find two module around the moon means they cant find new asteroid threats is null and void.

and like i said, with NASA's tracking of current NEO meteoroid/asteroid/comet is has been doing so with constant visual updates run by computers and constantly updating its trajectory..

you cannot track something if you have not updated its position for 40+ years. the margin of error will be enormous. you know nothing about tracking so dont pretend you know whats going on.

reply to post by choos

you know nothing about tracking so dont pretend you know whats going on.

NASA lost the modules and you resort to ad hominem attacks on me. Figures.

SP-4029 proves that I am right about the modules. Your defense has never added up to anything but the weakest excuses.

SayonaraJupiter

NASA lost the modules and you resort to ad hominem attacks on me. Figures.

SP-4029 proves that I am right about the modules. Your defense has never added up to anything but the weakest excuses.

call it what you want but its true.. you know nothing about how to track objects in space.. apparently to you its possible to calculate positions with absolute precision even after 40+ years of moving objects.. tumbling objects even, which has a constantly variable centre of mass.. not to mention the mascons on the moon which will also affect the orbit.. we arent talking about an error of a kilometre or so, we are talking about finding an object about 4metres wide travelling several thousand km per hour for 40 + years, not only that but we have to find it from about 384000 kilometres away.. you are insane if you think that is possible.. even if there was a 0.00001% error in the calculations which is very very accurate the error will still come out to plus/minus several thousand kilometres.

if anything your excuses of NASA not finding the modules is your weakest argument, because not only is it near impossible to find they hold no value, they wont even survive re-entry.

reply to post by choos

apparently to you its possible to calculate positions with absolute precision even after 40+ years of moving objects..

Voyager 1 was launched in 1977 and we are still talking to it. That's precision. Losing modules is not considered precision and the failure of your argument is to insist that NASA can do precise things but they can't do precise things when Eagle & Orion are concerned. Eat it.

SayonaraJupiter

Voyager 1 was launched in 1977 and we are still talking to it. That's precision. Losing modules is not considered precision and the failure of your argument is to insist that NASA can do precise things but they can't do precise things when Eagle & Orion are concerned. Eat it.

eat this..

voyager IS STILL IN CONTACT WITH NASA the missing modules HAVE NOT BEEN IN CONTACT WITH NASA SINCE THE LATE 60's early 70's

do you understand this difference?? voyager was designed to be automated with automated star tracker so it can pinpoint its position and orientation in order to continue communicating with earth..

The identical Voyager spacecraft use three-axis-stabilized guidance systems that use gyroscopic and accelerometer inputs to their attitude control computers to point their high-gain antennas towards the Earth and their scientific instruments pointed towards their targets, sometimes with the help of a movable instrument platform for the smaller instruments and the electronic photography system.
en.wikipedia.org...

and guess how the ascent modules were able to pinpoint its location and its orientation?? MANUAL STAR TRACKING BY THE ASTRONAUTS

and as far as i know, no astronauts were left inside the ascent stages during jettison..

eat it. like i said, you know nothing about how NASA tracks things in space.

Here's an interesting one.

Pictures taken 27 frames apart, yet ... the exact same lens flare appears in both.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f5eeeb742340.gif[/atsimg]

Now consider this...

The photos were taken 27 frames apart.
The photographer descended in elevation. (He supposedly walked down into a crater)
The sun moved at least 2 degrees between photos.
Each photo had to be repositioned vertically to align the images.
The photos were taken with no viewfinder of any kind.

The slightest 0.1 degree move in camera position / attitude would result in a completely different lens flare pattern, yet after all the points above, it still appears perfect, almost as if it was added in later.

Nasa source photos are AS12-46-6739 and 6766