Disclosure of the moon landing hoax.

Phage
reply to post by Iwinder

 

The spacecraft had more than enough shielding against them.

Actually, no. The problem of proper shielding has yet to be solved with any current technology, let alone that from the 60's.

The question of faked lunar landings is settled with nothing more than the question of technology. Over the years it has been made abundantly clear that the supposed tech of the time does not support manned lunar landings.

NASA continues to conduct (unmanned) lunar and space travel survival experiments to this day that make no sense if we once had humans IN PLACE FOR DAYS living and conducting experiments.

sprtpilot

Phage
reply to post by Iwinder

 

The spacecraft had more than enough shielding against them.

Actually, no. The problem of proper shielding has yet to be solved with any current technology, let alone that from the 60's.

The question of faked lunar landings is settled with nothing more than the question of technology. Over the years it has been made abundantly clear that the supposed tech of the time does not support manned lunar landings.

NASA continues to conduct (unmanned) lunar and space travel survival experiments to this day that make no sense if we once had humans IN PLACE FOR DAYS living and conducting experiments.

They did have enough protection from radiation to keep exposure levels relatively safe.

One way they protected themselves was to have trajectory that took them through the thinner parts of the Van Allen belts (and took them through quickly). Plus, the protection the fibrous insulation provided by the capsule walls did add a certain level of protection. It may not have been total protection, but it was enough to keep the dosage relatively low.

The Apollo astronauts did have an increased exposure to radiation, but the levels of additional radiation and the duration of the Apollo missions kept that exposure low enough that it was relatively not likely to cause health issues. Sure -- statistically speaking, their lifetime cancer risks may have gone up, but it wasn't enough to say that they would in fact get cancer because of their exposure.

But these people were test pilots, and they had already chosen careers that could statistically lower their life expectancy -- so an addition slight cancer risk was probably not a huge concern for them (just on more risk of many they chosen to take on).

ppk55

Hi onebigmonkey, Yes, they are cars which is quite evident. You can see their windshields facing in different directions according to the way they were parked from the worldview-2 satellite.


So after 40+ years since the alleged moon landing why can't we see anywhere near this detail of the alleged moon landers, not to mention the 3 rovers still there?

hold up boy.. how do you know they are windshields?? how do you know they are not sunroofs on a van (people mover) or SUV??

SayonaraJupiter

The tapes were re-used according to who?

according to people attempting to restore apollo 11 footage.. at least they have physically searched for it..

so where is your proof that the tapes are missing and not re-used? have you gone and searched for the tapes yourself? or are you speculating again?

geobro

SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by choos

 

700+ boxes of apollo telemetry tapes were re-used.. so what.. most, if not all the data and video footage have already been recorded via other means.. you are speculating at what the "missing" tapes mean.. and they are not even missing, they were re-used.

The tapes were re-used according to who?

what was found in a dumpster behind a macdonalds burger joint years ago

just like the b.b.c losing the tapes of 9-11 maybe their was something about the time it was aired that got them erased

Those specific tapes, currently being processed, at the McDonalds, were tapes from Lunar Orbiter. It seemed that somebody was wise enough to set aside hundreds of Lunar Orbiter tapes and kept them in good enough condition to retrieve the L.O. data off those tapes 40 years later.

With the Apollo telemetry tapes, however, and obviously, we would most likely find hints, traces or hard proof of the Apollo cover up which is exactly why Richard Nixon would have them ordered to be destroyed, lost, or conveniently re-used by another space program.

The Apollo tapes never arrived at Goddard. Can Goddard prove that they received those tapes? No They Can't.

This has huge ramifications for Apollo. The Apollo Defenders are well aware of the danger of admitting the true status of the tapes is M I S S I N G, not re-used.

The Defenders will always insist the tapes were re-used. As Defenders, that is their job. I don't blame them.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter
i was a young child then but i do remember seeing the moon landings on t.v very very late but i always remember as a child my grandfather going on about a number on a rock many people even then thought it was faked and there have been rumors of neil armstrong getting pizza when he was in space

funny old world

SayonaraJupiter
With the Apollo telemetry tapes, however, and obviously, we would most likely find hints, traces or hard proof of the Apollo cover up which is exactly why Richard Nixon would have them ordered to be destroyed, lost, or conveniently re-used by another space program.

this makes no sense whatsoever..

NASA have been able to fake the transcript fool everyone for 40 plus years.
fake hours and hours of lunar footage (mind you, with video editing software/techniques that simply did not exist in the 60's)
pay all the astronauts involved to keep quiet for 40 plus years.
keep all engineers and scientists around the world quiet for 40 plus years, including new budding engineers and scientists because, you know, radiation is much much deadlier than what NASA have suggested.
fake 800lbs of lunar rocks so well it can fool even geologists world wide.
fake photos of the earth with accurate cloud locations.
NASA are able to send probes and satellite to the edges of the solar system autonomously
able to keep the soviets, chinese, indians, japanese and europeans quiet and in on the hoax for 40+years.

yet in all this time, NASA who have been able to fake the moon landing so well fooling the world for over 40+ years and counting.. have not been able to fake the telemetry data? which would be one of the simplest things to fake really, since all you need is a simulator, which they have.

chooswhich would be one of the simplest things to fake really, since all you need is a simulator, which they have.

So what you are saying is that NASA could simulate an Apollo mission... but the real question that burns everybody involved with this thread is.... could the Apollo missions be just TV simulations???

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No not a simulation that is for sure but when you are proficient in lying you do not completely concoct the lie from thin air, you add substance to it, in fact as much as possible you only "create or shape" a lie in ways that it a) makes the target think in other directions b) create layers of complexity so that make it hard to the get to the made believe kernel c) make the target dependent or invested in the lie d) make the lie as pleasurable as possible to the listener personally and broader society, use peer pressure to make them commit to it, etc... I'm certain that you know how to lie... in any case evidence suggests that it had to be more than a simulation and only some details contested (some more than others) but I agree that are people that like to derail it all into extremely complex schemes, well like holographic planes hitting the Twin Towers, to me it is clear that we can't see things as black and white, ever ... in fact the truth most often is in the gray area of a divergence of opinions.

dragonridr
Ps in the future dont try to blitzkrieg the thread it makes it harder for me to shoot down your points try one at a time the more you post doesnt mean your right.And makes it very boring for people trying to keep up.

Hey Dragon, keeping up is your problem, not mine.
I was just trying to bring a little bit of color (with the images) to the thread.
Like this one.


I thought Apollo astronauts were well trained? I have read in every magazine and every publication how intense the training was! I have read the reports of simulator training that astronauts were required to have, in many cases, hundreds and hundreds of hours, of simulator training.

So why did Alan Bean aim his color TV camera directly at the sun when his checklist says he should point it at the LEM?? Can your boy read a checklist?

No, he can't.

Bean also failed to follow the splashdown prep checklists which would have remove a camera & camera mount from a window ---- which he failed to do ----- resulting in the camera & mount smashing into his face on splashdown.

Bean said if the camera would hit him in the middle of the forehead it would have killed him, but, it only glanced his brow.

Continuing on with the poor training on Apollo 12....

Even Dick Gordon said that he didn't know what to do after the lightning strike hit 52 seconds after launch.

And, to top it all off, Pete Conrad said multiple times in interviews, effectively, he didn't know where he was on the moon, yet he claimed to have made a pinpoint landing on the moon 600 feet(!!!) from Surveyor 3.

If you bother to watch any of these interviews with the Apollo 12 crew it's evident that they are telling stories about Apollo 12 and not really "recollecting thoughts" about the mission.... ---- they are telling stories.

Narratives.

NASA does not own the Apollo Narratives. Those narratives are up for review in threads like this. Thank you, Dragon.

SayonaraJupiter

chooswhich would be one of the simplest things to fake really, since all you need is a simulator, which they have.

So what you are saying is that NASA could simulate an Apollo mission... but the real question that burns everybody involved with this thread is.... could the Apollo missions be just TV simulations???

im talking about simulating the trajectory.. and no it cant be TV simulations because ive already said it many times..

we did not have the technology/equipment to feasibly slow down hours and hours of video footage..

we dont have a means to feasibly and accurately simulate lunar gravity in a 3 dimensional environment on earth..

we did not have a means to edit reflections in the astronauts visors in the video footage..

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

but in those missions those guys made some amount of pictures in the time they were on the moon it is a wonder they had any time to do anything else

choos
and no it cant be TV simulations because ive already said it many times..

choos! There are very few Apollo defenders who will go this deep into the subject of Apollo TV and Apollo simulations. Are you sure that you want to! It could get very complicated.

I always like this image.


What do you think is going on here, choos? It looks like some NASA or USIA contractors flew into India in 1970 and they set up a TV cameras to capture the poor, uneducated, non-English speaking Indians watching the real life "Marooned" of Apollo 13 during the week of April 11, 1970. That's what it looks like to me. An afternoon TV drama. A 1970's soap opera produced by the USIA US Information Agency which was populated by Nixon cronies, TV network executives like Frank Shakespeare, who headed USIA for awhile... just long enough to get the job done.



Of course you know that Nixon was watching a lot of movies while he was in office. He screened an absurd amount of movies. Nixon screened "Marooned on December 20, 1969. All of the films screened by Richard Nixon were recorded into his Secret Service Daily Diaries, which has been collected & published in a book by Mark Feeney.


Unfortunately for the hard core Apollo Defenders, like you, they will never be able to extract Richard Nixon from the narrative. He is always there. Stalking the Moon. By the way, Richard Nixon screened The Stalking Moon on March 29, 1970, about two weeks before Apollo 13 lifted off.

Source www.press.uchicago.edu...

Since this is like page 100 of this thread I am summarizing my viewpoints to some degree. I would appreciate if people didn't selectively quote me or twist my words too much. Thanks to PPK55 for starting the thread and Turbo for adding some much needed gusto.

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how many pictures did they take on the moon i saw the figures somewhere and it was amazing do you have the numbers and answer your p.m

SayonaraJupiter

choos
and no it cant be TV simulations because ive already said it many times..

choos! There are very few Apollo defenders who will go this deep into the subject of Apollo TV and Apollo simulations. Are you sure that you want to! It could get very complicated.

yes lets go this deep.. lets find the technology to prove that they were able to fake the lunar missions.. because as far as i am aware we as humans did not have the capabilities to fake lunar gravity in a 3 dimensional space.. and we as humans were not able to slow down hours of footage..

which leads us to question your HB theories of how they were able to fake it?? with strings and slow motion?? its been tried and it doesnt measure upto apollo footage..

heres a video showing john young and mythbusters side by side, the mythbusters using ropes to simulate weight at lunar gravity and slow mo added in for extra effect to please the HB crowd and it still doesnt match john youngs jumping salute..



and while we are on the topic of slow motion, following video is how unfeasible slow motion was in the 60's



next is how stanley kubrick front screen couldnt work for the wide video pans on the lunar surface



and for kicks and giggles more proof of lunar gravity

geobro
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

how many pictures did they take on the moon i saw the figures somewhere and it was amazing do you have the numbers and answer your p.m

The idea that they were so busy taking photographs they couldn't do anything else is just wrong. You'd be surprised at how many photographs you can take in a short space of time and still have time to do other stuff.

To put it in perspective, as the official photographer I took more photographs at my stepson's wedding than Apollo 11 & 12 did in their combined lunar EVAs over about the same length of time - I still managed to get drunk and have fun.

Many of the photograpsh taken during the mission were done automatically, and many were taken in quick succession eg to make stereo comparisons or a panorama.

SayonaraJupiter
choos! There are very few Apollo defenders who will go this deep into the subject of Apollo TV and Apollo simulations. Are you sure that you want to! It could get very complicated.

Go for it, unless your argument is "Nixon had a TV". Let's discuss how they did live broadcasts from the moon that shows rocks and craters that were completely unknown and would not be shown again until the LRO photographed them. Like this front page from a broadcast made by Apollo 16:



The rock in the distance and the crater in the middle distance are not seen on any pre-Apollo images of the moon but are seen in LRO views of the same scene.

Let's discuss how they did live broadcasts on the way to the moon that appeared on the front pages of the press the next day showing weather patterns that match exactly the satellite photographs despite the satellite photographs not being in colour and not being available until after the broadcasts. TV broadcasts like this one from Apollo 12, broadcast after TLI:



And no, it wasn't from LEO, because other images from the broadcast show the whole Earth, which you just can't do from LEO.

Unfortunately for the hard core Apollo Defenders, like you, they will never be able to extract Richard Nixon from the narrative. He is always there. Stalking the Moon. By the way, Richard Nixon screened The Stalking Moon on March 29, 1970, about two weeks before Apollo 13 lifted off.

Unfortunately for you, you'll never be able to prove that your pathological obsession with Nixon has any relevance to the subject.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Is this really the best you can do? Your tying to tie in what movies he watched into a conspiracy? Hey i have on demand and i watch alot of movies in fact most Americans do. But somehow movies he watched is supposed to be important????? Hey another clue for you its said Richard Nixons favorite movie was Patton, And Patton village is just outside Houston so thats why NASA picked Houston for mission control. And look i bet the
Nazis didnt like Patton and they helped assassinate Kennedy thats why they chose the Kennedy space center to launch rockets. See when you dont have to produce any fact its nothing but fiction and meaningless,so no more baseless claims. Throwing edited pictures on the screen proves nothing other then you have way to much time on your hands.

SayonaraJupiter
Of course you know that Nixon was watching a lot of movies while he was in office. He screened an absurd amount of movies. Nixon screened "Marooned on December 20, 1969. All of the films screened by Richard Nixon were recorded into his Secret Service Daily Diaries, which has been collected & published in a book by Mark Feeney.

hmm.. let me try your method to prove the vietnam war never happened!!

nixon watched the sand pebbles on february 15 and march 29, some war movie.. there was a war in vietnam.. so that must mean the war in vietnam was faked..

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APOLLO MOON LANDINGS – COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE
No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.
The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, Solar flares, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings
If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum... and that is not even taking into consideration any effects of cosmic radiation, Solar flares, micrometeorites, etc. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.
Heat is defined as the vibration or movement of molecules within matter. The faster the molecular motion the higher the temperature. The slower the molecular motion the colder the temperature. Absolute zero is that point where all molecular motion ceases. In order to have hot or cold, molecules must be present.
A vacuum is a condition of nothingness where there are no molecules. Vacuums exist in degrees. Some scientists tell us that there is no such thing as an absolute vacuum. Space is the closest thing to an absolute vacuum that is known to us. There are so few molecules present in most areas of what we know as "space" that any concept of "hot" or "cold" is impossible to measure. A vacuum is a perfect insulator. That is why a "Thermos" or vacuum bottle is used to store hot or cold liquids in order to maintain the temperature for the longest time possible without re-heating or re-cooling.
Radiation of all types will travel through a vacuum but will not affect the vacuum. Radiant heat from the sun travels through the vacuum of space but does not "warm" space. In fact the radiant heat of the sun has no affect whatsoever until it strikes matter. Molecular movement will increase in direct proportion to the radiant energy which is absorbed by matter. The time it takes to heat matter exposed to direct sunlight in space is determined by its color, its elemental properties, its distance from the sun, and its rate of absorption of radiant heat energy. Space is NOT hot. Space is NOT cold.
Objects which are heated cannot be cooled by space. In order for an object to cool it must first be removed from direct sunlight. Objects which are in the shadow of another object will eventually cool but not because space is "cold". Space is not cold. Hot and cold do not exist in the vacuum of space. Objects cool because the laws of motion dictate that the molecules of the object will slow down due to the resistance resulting from striking other molecules until eventually all motion will stop provided the object is sheltered from the direct and/or indirect radiation of the sun and that there is no other source of heat. Since the vacuum of space is the perfect insulator objects take a very long time to cool even when removed from all sources of heat, radiated or otherwise.
NASA insists the space suits the astronauts supposedly wore on the lunar surface were air conditioned. An air conditioner cannot, and will not work without a heat exchanger. A heat exchanger simply takes heat gathered in a medium such as freon from one place and transfers it to another place. This requires a medium of molecules which can absorb and transfer the heat such as an atmosphere or water. An air conditioner will not and cannot work in a vacuum. A space suit surrounded by a vacuum cannot transfer heat from the inside of the suit to any other place. The vacuum, remember, is a perfect insulator. A man would roast in his suit in such a circumstance.
NASA claims the spacesuits were cooled by a water system which was piped around the body, then through a system of coils sheltered from the sun in the backpack. NASA claims that water was sprayed on the coils causing a coating of ice to form. The ice then supposedly absorbed the tremendous heat collected in the water and evaporated into space. There are two problems with this that cannot be explained away. 1) The amount of water needed to be carried by the astronauts in order to make this work for even a very small length of time in the direct 55 degrees over the boiling point of water (210 degrees F at sea level on Earth) heat of the sun could not have possibly been carried by the astronauts. 2) NASA has since claimed that they found ice in moon craters. NASA claims that ice sheltered from the direct rays of the sun will NOT evaporate destroying their own bogus "air conditioning" explanation.
Remember this. Think about it the next time you go off in the morning with a "vacuum bottle" filled with hot coffee. Think about it long and hard when you sit down and pour a piping hot cup from your thermos to drink with your lunch four hours later... and then think about it again when you pour the last still very warm cup of coffee at the end of the day.
The same laws of physics apply to any vehicle traveling through space. NASA claims that the spacecraft was slowly rotated causing the shadowed side to be cooled by the intense cold of space... an intense cold that DOES NOT EXIST. In fact the only thing that could have been accomplished by a rotation of the spacecraft is a more even and constant heating such as that obtained by rotating a hot dog on a spit. In reality a dish called Astronaut a la Apollo would have been served. At the very least you would not want to open the hatch upon the crafts return.
NASA knows better than to claim, in addition, that a water cooling apparatus such as that which they claim cooled the astronauts suits cooled the spacecraft. No rocket could ever have been launched with the amount of water needed to work such a system for even a very short period of time. Fresh water weighs a little over 62 lbs. per cubic foot. Space and weight capacity were critical given the lift capability of the rockets used in the Apollo Space Program. No such extra water was carried by any mission whatsoever for suits or for cooling the spacecraft.
On the tapes the Astronauts complained bitterly of the cold during their journey and while on the surface of the moon. They spoke of using heaters that did not give off enough heat to overcome the intense cold of space. It was imperative that NASA use this ruse because to tell the truth would TELL THE TRUTH. It is also proof of the arrogance and contempt in which the Illuminati holds the common man.
What we heard is in reality indicative of an over zealous cooling system in the props used during the filming of the missions at the Atomic Energy Commissions Nevada desert test site, where it is common to see temperatures well over 100 degrees. In the glaring unfiltered direct heat of the sun the Astronauts could never have been cold at any time whatsoever in the perfect insulating vacuum of space.
As proof examine the Lunar Lander on display in the Smithsonian Institute and notice the shrouded and encased cone of the rocket engine INSIDE the Lander which is attached above the rocket nozzle at the bottom center of the Lander. It is this rocket engine which supposedly provided the retro thrust upon landing on the moon and the takeoff thrust during takeoff from the moon. In the actual Lunar Lander this engine is present but in the film and pictures of the inside of the Lunar Lander that was "said" to be on the moon the engine is absent. Then examine the Lunar Lander simulator and you will see exactly where the fake footage was filmed.
It would also be a good idea for you to measure the dimensions of the astronauts in their spacesuits and then measure the actual usable dimensions of the hatch that they had to use to egress and ingress the Lander. Also measure the inside dimensions of the actual Lander and you will see that the astronauts (liars) could not have possibly left or entered in their suits through that hatch. Notice the position of the hinge of the hatch and then examine the Lunar Lander training simulator and measure all the dimensions noted above taking care to note the position of the hinge on the much larger hatch and you may become "illumined"... so to speak.
NASA claims that the space suits worn by the astronauts were pressurized at 5 psi over the ambient pressure (0 psi vacuum) on the moon's surface. We have examined the gloves NASA claims the astronauts wore and find they are made of pliable material containing no mechanical, hydraulic, or electrical devices which would aid the astronauts in the dexterous use of their fingers and hands while wearing the gloves. Experiments prove absolutely that such gloves are impossible to use and that the wearer cannot bend the wrist or fingers to do any dexterous work whatsoever when filled with 5 psi over ambient pressure either in a vacuum or in the earth's atmosphere. NASA actually showed film and television footage of astronauts using their hands and fingers normally during their EVAs on the so-called lunar surface. The films show clearly that there is no pressure whatsoever within the gloves... a condition that would have caused explosive decompression of the astronauts resulting in almost immediate death if they had really been surrounded by the vacuum of space.
If you don't believe it try it yourself... it is a very simple experiment and does not require a rocket scientist to perform. These are just a few of over a hundred very simple and very easy to prove valid scientific reasons why NASA and the Apollo Space Program are two of the biggest lies ever foisted upon the unsuspecting and trusting People of the world.
We attempted to obtain data on Solar activity and in particular Solar flares which may have been active during the Apollo Moon Missions. We found that data is available for any day of any year during which data has been collected EXCEPT the days and hours of all of the Apollo Moon shots. That data can not be obtained from any government agency including NASA, NOAA, or the Naval Observatory. This is data that is normally collected and would have been used in calculating the dates of launch, dates and times of EVAs, and extreme radiation hazard. It would have been monitored during times of extra vehicular activity (EVA) of the astronauts while on the moon... that is if any astronauts were ever on the moon. The data is not available because it would demonstrate that the so-called astronauts would have been fried crisp. They would have returned to the earth DEAD if they had actually attempted any such missions.
In addition most, if not all, of the photos, films, and videotape of the Apollo Moon Missions are easily proven to be fake. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of studio photography, studio lighting, and the reality of Lunar physics can easily prove that NASA faked the visual records of the Apollo Space Program. No color film known to man, then or now, had or has the latitude to produce the excellent detail found in shadow and highlighted areas of the photographs supposedly taken on the moon. Any professional photographer can tell you that those photographs could only have been produced in a controlled environment using studio lighting and could not possibly have been produced in full sunlight in a vacuum on the moon. Some are so obviously fake that when the discrepancies are pointed out to unsuspecting viewers an audible gasp has been heard. Some have actually gone into a mild state of shock. Some People break down and cry. I have seen others become so angry that they have ripped the offending photos to shreds while screaming incoherently.
Kleinknect, the head of Operations at NASA at the time of the Apollo Space Program, is now is now a 33rd Degree Freemason who's brother is the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Council of the 33rd Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry of the Southern Jurisdiction. It was his reward for pulling it off. All of the first astronauts were Freemasons. There is a photograph in the House of the Temple in Washington DC of Neil Armstrong on the surface of the Moon (supposedly) in his spacesuit holding his Masonic Apron in front of his groin. All of the senior officials of NASA have been, and are, members of the Illuminati, Marxists, or communists.
The Soviet Union planned only one manned moon mission. Soviet cosmonauts related to me that their astronauts were literally COOKED by the extreme radiation in space when sent into high orbit through the Van Allen Belt. The USSR never again attempted to send men into or above the Van Allen Belt. If man could not survive the extreme radiation of the Van Allen Belt how could they put a man on the Moon? The Soviet Union scrapped their Man On The Moon program.