Catholics, Jesus and the last Pharaoh - Maya

Originally posted by nakiel
Get your stones right!

When image-searching for Mayan calendar; mostly resulting images are the Aztec sun stone...

wow thank you very much

i dont know anything about Maya other than the "noise" comming from the internet lolol

so which one of the four is the doomsday clock

1 sec i`l upload it


file size is too big to upload

but im fascinated....the Aztecs sun worship...seems intune with egypts RA worship
they have the same eagle images, pyramids etc etc

mayans....now...completely confuse me....how does that peice of crap show the end of the world??
i mean just look at the denderra one compared to the mayan one....

time for some reading

this is a very interesting thread, star & flag! Good research, and lots of avenues to explore. I too agree that these things are all interrelated, very complex but somewhat obvious at the same time. I'll be coming back to this thread, hopefully there will be lots of quality input, and very little nitpicking.

Okay the Egyptian religion was based in astro-theology and all the subsequent pantheistic religions did so as well. The octagon or double cross is evidence of this in portraying a zodiac with a cross in it and the second cross being the equinox's.

The great Greek thinkers were initiates of the Egyptian mystery schools and spread the practice and teachings up into Europe while the Persians evolved the teachings further in their own sphere of influence.


Paul the apostle was an initiate of the mysteries and denounced them to follow the Biblical Christ figure so I would have to say that Christ is most definitively NOT an Egyptian Pharaoh or supporter of the ancient mystery schools as he is quoted as saying that 'I have said nothing in private' (along those lines) while the mystery schools are well known to have an outer practice and a secretive inner practice in which the mysteries were revealed to those deemed worthy.


Now on the mysteries themselves. I do not know everything about them but can say without a doubt that they were heavily involved in activating the pineal gland for 'astral experiences'.

Ancient religious artwork of the mystery schools often shows the pinecone/acorn (w/e) which is representative of the pineal gland. See the Vatican (Dominant mystery cult based on Mithraism - Constantine a priest of the Sol Invictus cult), Staff of Dionysus, Enki from Sumer, Shiva's third eye from India.

Now this was often placed on a staff with serpents entwined leading to the pinecone which is representative of the spine and rising 'energy' to activate the pineal. The Egyptian priests known as Djed translates as spinal column.

The basic practice was uniting the heavens and earth. Earth was usually represented with a 5 and the heavens with a 6. This can be seen in the bent pyramid with the top to bottom ratio of 6:5, the hexagram with the pentagram, men like Pope Sixtus the Fifth reorganizing the roman religious and cultural sites to better match the heavens, and the Washington monument which is aligned with Virgo having 555.5 feet and 6666 inches in height.

The molecule Dimethyltriptamine '___' was a 6:5 ratio in its structure with an amine group tailing off of it and is produced by the pineal gland and is associated with dreaming (and thus the lucid dreaming which is astral travel).

The solar deity was often portrayed as a trinity and so (as evidenced by the Pythagorean school of whom Pythagoras was an initiate of the Egyptians) the 6+5 (11) and 3 (33) demonstrates the unifying of heaven and earth in a man, or the solar man of the mysteries (aka illuminated). FYI there are 33 vertebrae in the spinal column and 33 twists in DNA.


This is just a simple overview of the basic tenet of achieving the spiritual experience and not of the actual workings that take place there after. There are several incarnation and paths to this experience from drugs to ritual dance and other trance inducing practices but most were to effect a common end.

Further the popular Roman Catholic art is based almost 100% on the old pagan practices and portrayals. The Roman empire was crucifying Christians until Constantine claimed to view a flaming cross in the sky which granted him victory and if one is familiar with the Sol Invictus cult to whom Constantine was a high priest they would know the cross is actually a solar symbol. After the victory the Roman elite (most of whom were devout pagans of the mysteries) established Roman Catholicism which blended heavily the open Christian mysteries (which were the death and resurrection of Christ and the virgin birth) with the pagan mysteries which involved lots of secrecy, deceit, and control.

The Medici Pope Leo X sparked the Protestant revolution by defiling the church beyond tolerance at the time through his unprecedentedly massive sale of indulgences. The Papacy has most often been occupied by powerful families which hinted that they maintained their pantheistic beliefs.

The Medici standard is 6 dots on a shield which can easily draw the hexagram (which is not an original Jewish symbol) and were known to have translated many hermetic and other mystery school doctrines to add to their libraries. Their propaganda artwork was designed to relate their family to the Greek gods as seen by the own writings of Botecelli and Michaelangelo. The Medici were also bankers which was the practice of usury and prohibited in Christianity. Interestingly the Rothschild banking family also used the 6 points (as a star) as their seal.

Oh and the Renaissance translates to the 'Rebirth' and is attributed to the Medici head propagandist Vasari (trained under Michaelangelo) whom restored the 'David' statue after its damage when the Medici were chased out of Florence.

Essentially what I am saying is that Roman Catholicism cannot be viewed as Christianity in its ritual and practices if one has ever read the Bible as it follows more closely to the mystery schools practices than anything. The rosary are prayer beads which were preached against, the Vatican even tells people to pray to Mary whom they have crowned as the queen of heaven (aka Isis, Astar, Virgo) and even to pray to saints when the Bible says to only pray to God. Lets not even get into the symbolism or architectural practices of the RCC as that is an extensive thread to itself.l


I am not knocking on the religions I merely feel that the vast majority of folks are extremely mislead on the teachings of religions and the roots they trace through history.

You might want to recheck some items.

Originally posted by thePharaoh
The religious ideology is that, the king had a divine BA…a part of his soul he shared with ra the sun …shu and tefnet (air and moisture - creater gods)…with his dead father, the “now” king of the underworld - Osiris and khnum.In the first times, Osiris was the pharaoh of Egypt, killed by his brother seth, cut into 13 pieces.
12 parts were found, except for his phallice

You're picking and choosing items from different dates and locations. Osiris as pharaoh is from the king lists of Turin (1300 BC). Earlier lists like the Saqqara Tablet don't mention Osiris.

After his death…he conceived horus with isis (virgin birth)….the earth god, geb, gave egypts throne to horus and not seth

It was Ra. And Isis was hardly a virgin. She was her brother's lover-wife.

who was the last pharaoh:
1. taharaq
2. Cleopatra and ceasarian
3. Jesus - ideologically was the next ruler of that school of ideology, with no kingdom, no throne.

If you count Jesus, then by that logic, Mohammad is actually the last pharaoh.

- egypt fell
roman empire rose

Egypt fell several times. The beginning of the end was the conquest by Alexander the Great in 300 BC.

The Roman Republic began in 500 BC. The Empire of Rome began when Augustus Caesar grabs the rule in 27 BC (not AD).

the virgin birth, and ressurection was in the ideology of the pharaoh

No pharaoh had a "virgin birth". They expected an afterlife -- "heavenly Egypt."

mary and jesus at the same time as isis and horus (horus is the pharaoh)

THAT was a case of early Christians adopting 2,000 year old iconography of Isis/Horus.

"amen" (the hidden one- ie the setting/set sun)

Ancient Hebrew word meaning "truly" en.wikipedia.org... "Ahket" was the rising and setting sun.

drinking of the wine eating of the bread - pyramid texts and coffin texts mention this ritual

I think you're confusing the offerings with a ritual.

book of the heavenly cow (eye of ra and changing blood for wine)

It was a flood of beer dyed red, to get Hathor staggering blind drunk. As far as I know, no Christian group practices this.

math, and science that the greeks are happily taking credit for

I...think you need to read up on Greek math and science.

... in the middle of winter/duat

"duat" is "afterworld." There is no such season as winter in Egypt.

the vatican, is a sun temple like helipolis

Greeks renamed "Iunu" (which means "Place of pillars.") to Heliopolis after conquering it in 300 BC.

the pope...added initials to his name RA....pope benedict RA

I can't find a single source about this. Do you have a link?

Weve all seen the mayan calender
Well the Egyptians have an older one
Like the mayans Egyptians mapped the stars and the dead kings journey

The Temple of Dendara is Greek and dates to about 300 BC. That's our modern zodiac (mostly).

if anyone can read the outer rims of the denderra zodiac..please share

www.newscientist.com...

No map to rebirth.

so jesus wouldnt be horus, the dead jesus would be osiris

So Jesus was married to his sister and his evil brother killed him and a fish ate his phallus and his wife used magic to reanimate him so she could have a baby.

I'm familiar with the Bible in many translations. I don't remember that part.

As I said the ideology of that area was influenced by Egypt and the emergence of rome
as rome went from a republic to an empire, ceaser, cleopatra, ceasarian, octavious, mark antony,all lived during the time of jesus...as jesus died the same year as ceasarian...was that the symbolic death of the king of egypt, horus`s BA.....

Not unless the Bible lied about Jesus' age and he was about 60 years old when he died.

other things like…the 10 curses of Egypt….apparently there were only 3 that were needed to confuse the pharaoh…..saying the killing of every eldest son was a curse …could be wrong….I read somewhere that a priest warned the pharaoh of his coming fate and moses…..he was told tha the eldest son of a particular family line, in his kingdom, will be his fall….so the king ordered the death of every oldest son, not know

You might want to reread the Bible, then. I think you may change your idea after you read the whole thing and doublecheck some of your assumptions.

Originally posted by thePharaoh
but im fascinated....the Aztecs sun worship...seems intune with egypts RA worship

THEIR (Aztec) sun god was the weakest god, who threw himself into a burning fire to save the world when the stronger gods wouldn't do it. They worshiped him by tearing out people's hearts with stone knives (while they were alive) and offering beating hearts to the sun.

They also offered children as a sacrifice to the sun.

Now... I'm pretty familiar with ancient Egypt, and I think we'd know if Ra/Horus/Amun/Khepher was a weak god who immolated himself and wanted people sacrificed so he could keep living each day.

Interesting post but most scholars agree that Jesus was born within the range of 4-6 BC. His estimated year of death is between 27 and 36 AD. The day of his birth was most likely in September.

The Christmas tree stems from European mysticism. JMO

The idea that OP expressed (and I only read the OP) is questionable. Isn't the pope also questioning that the date of Christ's birth is also wrong?

well here's some stuff to add to your repertoire of knowledge on the subject:

jesus referred to himself as the serpent raised on the staff of moses to bring healing to the people.
there are two kinds of serpent entwined staves.

the caduceus:



and the rod of asclepius:
en.wikipedia.org...

as you can see, the caduceus is double entwined, whereas the rod of asclepius is single entwined. caduceus = DNA (double helix)
and asclepius = RNA (single helix).

furthermore, the rod of asclepius is a reference to medicine, trade and the messenger of the gods (mercury). in effect, it seems the ancient elite
had a very thorough understanding of genetics.

the symbol $ is a reference to the rod of asclepius, as a trade symbol.

(don't worry, this is going somewhere significant)

anyway, if you trace the caduceus back to ancient mesopotamia (don't forget, mesopotamia was transpiring at the same time as egypt, and they were intermingling, exchanging, trading with each other), you find the caduceus:
en.wikipedia.org...

now considering that vase is 2100 BC, it's right in the timeframe of the founding of Abydos, Egypt.
during this timeframe, another familar symbol kept cropping up:
1.bp.blogspot.com...

why does that ancient mesopotamian god figure, have what looks like the maltese cross on his chest?
furthermore, if you recall my reference to jesus referring to himself as the serpent raised on moses' staff to bring healing to the people, you might recall familar references to trees (wooden staves) and serpents:
the serpent in the garden of eden was in the "tree of knowledge"

so let's entertain the notion for a second that trees in the garden of eden were actually genetic references to specific parts of human DNA:

the tree of knowledge (to know was to have sexual intercourse with) is a reference to that section of DNA that governs procreation

the tree of life was that section of DNA that regulated regeneration of all parts of the body. this part of human DNA was nerfed/blocked, when the adam and the eve became procreative (et.al the sexual reproduction section of their DNA was added which caused the elohim to also make the change where most parts didn't regenerate so that the adam and the eve had a limited lifespan.)

jesus is essentially referring to himself as the tree of life. the tree of life was also metaphorically referred to in this example, as the cross. jesus was raised on the cross to bring healing to the people.
this has a similar theme:



if it's in ancient egypt, it has an analog in ancient mesopotamia and the bible.

Originally posted by undo
as you can see, the caduceus is double entwined, whereas the rod of asclepius is single entwined. caduceus = DNA (double helix)
and asclepius = RNA (single helix).

furthermore, the rod of asclepius is a reference to medicine, trade and the messenger of the gods (mercury). in effect, it seems the ancient elite
had a very thorough understanding of genetics.

I believe you're reading some very misleading sources.

RNA isn't a single helix. It is, however, a double helix like DNA

The Greeks had no idea of genetics -- otherwise they'd have quickly improved their animals and crops. Their concept of medicine involved the four humors and was very primitive.

reply to post by Byrd


Which Greeks in particular are you referring to?

/E: Nevermind, you meant the Ancient Greeks...

here's the alpha and the omega (the rod and staff of pharaoh)



“I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” - Jesus in Revelation 22:13

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by undo
as you can see, the caduceus is double entwined, whereas the rod of asclepius is single entwined. caduceus = DNA (double helix)
and asclepius = RNA (single helix).

furthermore, the rod of asclepius is a reference to medicine, trade and the messenger of the gods (mercury). in effect, it seems the ancient elite
had a very thorough understanding of genetics.

I believe you're reading some very misleading sources.

RNA isn't a single helix. It is, however, a double helix like DNA

The Greeks had no idea of genetics -- otherwise they'd have quickly improved their animals and crops. Their concept of medicine involved the four humors and was very primitive.

nice video..

reply to post by Byrd


I would also think this is why we see many pictures with the "bleeding heart" symbol. Even the Catholic church has this symbol in many of its depictions.

It makes you wonder how things became confused. I've even viewed pictures where the Anunnaki are associated as well as some depictions that are said to represent ancient Egypt.

Originally posted by Byrd
You might want to recheck some items.

You're picking and choosing items from different dates and locations. Osiris as pharaoh is from the king lists of Turin (1300 BC). Earlier lists like the Saqqara Tablet don't mention Osiris.

really byrd...cmon really

erm...osiris is mentioned in the pyramid texts

the ideology of zep tepi (first times) came from an earlier era....(Ptah ideology of the 1/2 dynasty)

osiris is an ideology...osiris as the dead pharaoh is an ideology from 4th dynasty onwards

It was Ra. And Isis was hardly a virgin. She was her brother's lover-wife.

horus was concieved by osiris after his death
look at the edfu temple

If you count Jesus, then by that logic, Mohammad is actually the last pharaoh.

no..im saying their are 2 jesus`s
the normal one
and the pharonic ideology one

and the pope is trying to merge the normal one with the egyptian divine king ideology

Egypt fell several times. The beginning of the end was the conquest by Alexander the Great in 300 BC.

no..i answerd this one

egypt didnt fall with alexander..alexander SAVED egypt and liberated it from the persians..egyptians loved him, and made him an honourary pharaoh

it was the persians, 26 dynasty, that was the begining of the end....then the roman empire finished it off

The Roman Republic began in 500 BC. The Empire of Rome began when Augustus Caesar grabs the rule in 27 BC (not AD).

erm..didnt ceaser die in 44bc...how can he grab rule in 27bc lol
i thought it began after his death ....with augustus/octavious

whatever the ins and outs....the roman empire...only exists because of the fall of egypt
in what world can you have a pharaoh and an emperor living side by side?

No pharaoh had a "virgin birth". They expected an afterlife -- "heavenly Egypt."

horus the pharaoh incarnate, was born by a virgin birth, after seth killed osiris....isis fashioned an obelisk,,and through the rays of the sun, bore osiris`s son

mary and jesus at the same time as isis and horus (horus is the pharaoh)
THAT was a case of early Christians adopting 2,000 year old iconography of Isis/Horus.

yes i heard the argument that it was easy for egyptians to convert to christianity due to similarities

or

egyptian ideology was used in christianty....

"Ancient Hebrew word meaning "truly" en.wikipedia.org... "Ahket" was the rising and setting sun.

khephre - rising sun
ra and aten - midday suns
amen (amentet) - setting sun

akhet was a "region" where the sun is reborn

I think you're confusing the offerings with a ritual.

offerings are rituals!?

It was a flood of beer dyed red, to get Hathor staggering blind drunk. As far as I know, no Christian group practices this.

they covered the land with red wine so sekhment can think she killed human men
the blood of men

I...think you need to read up on Greek math and science.

all that greeks invented was alhpa-numerics...using symbols to describe/represent what they had learnt in egypt

"duat" is "afterworld." There is no such season as winter in Egypt.

akhet is a region of the afterworld...and a season (flood)
the dark cold days of the winter, represnted the middle of the dead kings journey through the duat

Greeks renamed "Iunu" (which means "Place of pillars.") to Heliopolis after conquering it in 300 BC.

correct...but thats still 300 years before catholicism...the greeks AND romans called it city of the sun..did they adopt it?

the pope...added initials to his name RA....pope benedict RA
I can't find a single source about this. Do you have a link?

TBH - heard it from someone, he told me they were initials that stood for something, !?.
personally i thought it was his name...that others rewrote differently....ie Joseph Ra-tzinger

The Temple of Dendara is Greek and dates to about 300 BC. That's our modern zodiac (mostly).

scholars say its from an older source...and it was REBUILT by the greeks

if anyone can read the outer rims of the denderra zodiac
No map to rebirth.

have you seen the rest of the glyphs on the walls?

So Jesus was married to his sister and his evil brother killed him and a fish ate his phallus and his wife used magic to reanimate him so she could have a baby.

I'm familiar with the Bible in many translations. I don't remember that part.

no..but i bet the popes working on it lol

im saying the LIVING jesus is horus - the king
the DEAD jesus is oiris - the dead king

[Not unless the Bible lied about Jesus' age and he was about 60 years old when he died.

tut tut...the whole thread is about the pope announcing that the date of jesus is wrong..and christmas is pagan

did you miss that?

Originally posted by cry93
reply to post by Byrd

 

I would also think this is why we see many pictures with the "bleeding heart" symbol. Even the Catholic church has this symbol in many of its depictions.

It makes you wonder how things became confused. I've even viewed pictures where the Anunnaki are associated as well as some depictions that are said to represent ancient Egypt.

the only organ left in a mummified body was the heart

represents conciousness

shares part with the sun god, amongst others

i already proved to byrd that osiris was at least as old as abydos, and if i recall that dated to around 2600 BC or thereabouts. dunno if she recalls but we had a long debate on the subject here at ats, several years ago. the premise started with the shabaka stone and ended with drawings done by sir flinders petrie of the original osirieon at abydos, proving that it predated seti I by at least 1000 years and was not built by seti. he merely attached a chamber to it, and added his hieroglyph inscription to the added chamber. but egyptologists still try to claim it was built by seti I.

reply to post by thePharaoh


I already see the ANKH video link but could you link all of this to ANKH and the pineal gland?

2nd

Nevermind. You answered my question in response to Byrd.

So IYO the confusion started with Catholicism or am I misunderstanding you? Because I've seen plenty pictures of Christ with the bleeding heart, too.

Originally posted by cry93
reply to post by thePharaoh

 

So IYO the confusion started with Catholicism or am I misunderstanding you? Because I've seen plenty pictures of Christ with the bleeding heart, too.

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im saying that catholicism is a hybrid/mix....a comprimise between the pharonic/"pagan" ideology....the roman republic senate....and the "socialist" christianity taking over the land



as for the ankh..your not ready yet

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Byrd

 

Which Greeks in particular are you referring to?

/E: Nevermind, you meant the Ancient Greeks...

edit on 24-11-2012 by VeritasAequitas because: (no reason given)

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