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Originally posted by kaylaluv
Some examples of our violent Christian past, where "Christians" persecuted those of other religions.
Originally posted by luciddream
Its the individual not the whole culture or country. Canada gets more refined, educated working class Muslims, UK (where most of these propaganda/hate arises from, has border jumping Muslims
A group of 45 Muslim doctors threatened to use car bombs and rocket grenades in terrorist attacks in the United States during discussions on an extremist internet chat site.
Link
Originally posted by ollncasino
Your examples of Christian persecution happened over 1,000 years ago. Christianity has moved on.
Islam is persecuting people today.
The future of Islam depends on the conclusion of the cycle of radicalization that began in 1979 with the Khomeini regime in Iran; continued with the increase of Wahhabi aggressivity, based in Saudi Arabia and in competition with the Iranian revolutionary appeal; then by Taliban domination of Afghanistan and expansion of Pakistani jihadism. The clerical regime in Iran is destined to end sooner rather than later, and social reform in Saudi Arabia (presuming disestablishment of Wahhabism as a sole official interpretation), has been initiated in a limited manner by Saudi King Abdullah. The success of these developments within the two leading Muslim societies will open the way to the reestablishment of the intellectual pluralism, based on diversity of opinion, that characterized the greater part of Islamic history. In that context, the future of Islam may be productive of collective stability, spiritual renewal, and positive, respectful relations with the rest of the world's faiths.
Originally posted by RamsOnTop
reply to post by MidnightTide
Again, please provide page numbers and which edition you are using. That which you provided is probably sourced from a blog.
Originally posted by MidnightTide
Huh, when was the last cycle of violence for Christianity?
After a period of relative quiet, Ku Klux Klan activity has spiked noticeably upwards in 2006, as Klan groups have attempted to exploit fears in America over gay marriage, perceived “assaults” on Christianity, crime and especially immigration.
Christian Identity is a religious ideology popular in extreme right-wing circles. Adherents believe that whites of European descent can be traced back to the "Lost Tribes of Israel." Many consider Jews to be the Satanic offspring of Eve and the Serpent, while non-whites are "mud peoples" created before Adam and Eve. Its virulent racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are usually accompanied by extreme anti-government sentiments. Despite its small size, Christian Identity influences virtually all white supremacist and extreme anti-government movements. It has also informed criminal behavior ranging from hate crimes to acts of terrorism.
Originally posted by lnfideI
Originally posted by PatrickGarrow17
reply to post by lnfideI
Okay,
I never said anything like all unhappy Muslims are extremists. I said to treat Muslims with respect because they are people just like all logical people and you responded by posting pictures of extremists.
You realize that these are the extreme minority? And that Muslim people are in fact no different, or less logical, than anyone else?
You are the one who seems to be using the word "unhappy" as a euphemism for terrorist. And then you apply it to populations of entire countries.
Also, your position seems to be that Muslims need the guidance of the West in order to be happy. That is selling them short as humans.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish wit this thread?
turn your TV on and you will see that is not the case.
Originally posted by ollncasino
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Some examples of our violent Christian past, where "Christians" persecuted those of other religions.
Your examples of Christian persecution happened over 1,000 years ago. Christianity has moved on.
Islam is persecuting people today.
edit on 23-11-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kaylaluv
We as a people squashed the KKK, and the Muslim population needs to to the same with the extremist groups of Muslims.
Starting in the late 1980s--after the dual shocks of the Iranian revolution and the Soviet war in Afghanistan--Saudi Arabia's quasi-official charities became the primary source of funds for the fast-growing jihad movement.
In some 20 countries, the money was used to run paramilitary training camps, purchase weapons, and recruit new members.
The charities were part of an extraordinary $70 billion Saudi campaign to spread their fundamentalist Wahhabi sect worldwide. The money helped lay the foundation for hundreds of radical mosques, schools, and Islamic centers that have acted as support networks for the jihad movement, officials say.
USNews.com
Mr Blair said it was "absurd" that some people were surprised at how powerful Islamist extremist groups were, given the amount of funding they received and indoctrination they spread.
"Measure, over the years, the paucity of our counter-attack in the name of peaceful coexistence," he said. "We have been outspent, outmanoeuvred and out-strategised."
"The practitioners of extremism are small in number. The adherents of the narrative stretch far broader into parts of mainstream thinking," Mr Blair told the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
The Telegraph
Originally posted by St Udio
i think you think that 'unhappy' Muslims turn radical & extremist
WRONG
It is Accepted in Islam that a few of the Muslims are supposed to fervent & extreme... the Saudi govt supports the Wahabbists and other Salafists... & builds Mosques for the other peaceful groups of (the majority) Muslims
Islam needs to keep the extremists around so the meek will stay-in-line... they are a necessary fringe element in the whole Islamic, Sharia gestalt
we westerners are so disoriented with the scientific method that the existentialism as practiced by the Imams and Muslim/Islamic world is rather ODD to our senses
...do you, can you... see the holistic nature of preserving a death focused sect within the larger group...
even the destructive policies and intentions made by the Øbama regime should be viewed in this light...
only then will the contemporary scene make some senseedit on 23-11-2012 by St Udio because: (no reason given)
PLOTTING FOR AMERICA TO BE RULED UNDER SHARIA LAW IS SEDITION
By: Devvy
November 23, 2012
NewsWithViews.com
In a recent column, I referred to this excellent presentation: Can The United States Constitution Destroy Itself? Anyone who has taken the time to read and listen to the words of Muslim clerics and the Muslim Brotherhood fully and clearly understand the number one goal is to take over these united States of America and replace the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights with the sickness called Islam. The web site highlighted above gives you the documents to back up what millions of Americans know and are fighting against.
"But the truth is that Islam is not the name of a ‘Religion’, nor is ‘Muslim’ the title of a ‘Nation’. In reality Islam is a revolutionary ideology and programme which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals. ‘Muslim’ is the title of that International Revolutionary Party organized by Islam to carry into effect its revolutionary programme. And ‘Jihad’ refers to that revolutionary struggle and utmost exertion which the Islamic Party brings into play to achieve this objective."
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