Jesus was born years earlier than thought, claims Pope

reply to post by Quauhtli

I like that. Some real out of the box conspiracy theory work. Well done.

Of course, I don't believe a word of it, but what does that matter?

The Church has known for all it's existence that Christ wasn't born on Deacember 25th. They picked a day to celebrate it and decided on that one. We've have no idea when the pilgrims had a meal with the Indians, we just picked one, in fact the date has changed throughout our history. Same thing here.

I don't think this has really sunk in yet. This news could have a slow catastrophic effect on Christianity. The pope may have just bowed down to Judaism. The catholic church makes a big deal out of Christmas every year. A great amount of other churches follow the same practice even if they are not Catholic. They well be affected as well.

After 2000 years, you can be sure that it's had any effect that it's going to. (I'm probably wrong on the 2000 years, I don't know when the Church picked a day.)

How does the church tell the Christmas story now that the Pope has claimed it has pagan roots?

Sorry, no Pope has ever said that the Christmas story has pagan roots. The date of celebration may have been influenced by other celebrations, but the story? No.

Jewish people everywhere will sneer at this news.

Why?

I live in Long Island NY and there are battles every year about whether to put up a Christmas Tree or a Hunnukia in front of the mall...

Put up both if you want. I'm sure the Pope doesn't care what decorations go in front of a mall.

Now I'm wondering if the Pope and Benyamin have been having some secret meetings??? Maybe the pope is going to merge the Catholic religion with the Jewish one in order to save the European financial crisis????

Thanks for the smile. Jews and Catholics merging. Very imaginative.

Originally posted by Quauhtli
I don't think this has really sunk in yet. This news could have a slow catastrophic effect on Christianity. The pope may have just bowed down to Judaism. The catholic church makes a big deal out of Christmas every year. A great amount of other churches follow the same practice even if they are not Catholic. They well be affected as well. How does the church tell the Christmas story now that the Pope has claimed it has pagan roots? Jewish people everywhere will sneer at this news.

I live in Long Island NY and there are battles every year about whether to put up a Christmas Tree or a Hunnukia in front of the mall... Now I'm wondering if the Pope and Benyamin have been having some secret meetings??? Maybe the pope is going to merge the Catholic religion with the Jewish one in order to save the European financial crisis????

They have a saying here in New York, "If you live in New York, and you're Catholic, You're still a Jew."

Hmmm...

Thanks for reiterating what I mentioned in my first post. This ought to be what should engage people`s attention. Most seem to skip this all important point and dwell on irrelances as whether Jesus existed or not. The mother of all questions here would be: will the pope still celebrate mass in St. Peter`s square on 25th December after admitting this deception all through the ages? If die hard christains say it doesn`t matter to their fate, why has the pope deem it necessary to address the topic? Like every other issue the pope touches, this one also has a reason. He cannot just mention something which every other pope knew and avoided for continuity sake.

reply to post by subjectzero


oh a "new book"? you mean one that wasn't burned or hidden in the Vatican "library"?

Blessed be the poor woe unto the rich... as the POPE lives in a palace.

Man made religion, what a joke.

reply to post by stevcolx



Hi/

Your quote...

Very interesting indeed. Occult Holidays and Sabbats It's the same with Easter. "Easter" - Eostre, or Ishtar - was a goddess of fertility. It's all Occult Pagan Worship days ripped off by the Roman Catholic Church a.k.a. The Babylonian Trinity Church. They've quite cleverly managed to dupe a lot of people into believing in God and Jesus for the last 2,000 years. Just a pity it's all Symbolic Crap!!

Easter may be an occult holiday, but Pascha is not!
The actual word for the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Christ is called Pascha, and this Word has not been changed.
The English Language has made the changes and the spoken Language of that time was mainly Greek ....
It's not all 'Symbolic crap'....it's just easier for you to say that!

ICXC NIKA

Originally posted by helen6700
reply to post by stevcolx

 

Hi/

Your quote...

Very interesting indeed. Occult Holidays and Sabbats It's the same with Easter. "Easter" - Eostre, or Ishtar - was a goddess of fertility. It's all Occult Pagan Worship days ripped off by the Roman Catholic Church a.k.a. The Babylonian Trinity Church. They've quite cleverly managed to dupe a lot of people into believing in God and Jesus for the last 2,000 years. Just a pity it's all Symbolic Crap!!

Easter may be an occult holiday, but Pascha is not!
The actual word for the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Christ is called Pascha, and this Word has not been changed.
The English Language has made the changes and the spoken Language of that time was mainly Greek ....
It's not all 'Symbolic crap'....it's just easier for you to say that!

ICXC NIKA

Actually it is easier to say that. Only because it's true. The Christian calendar is basically the Pagan Calendar but the Roman Catholic Church changed it to suit the False Deistic Spirit agenda detailed in the Roman handbook the Bible. All those little lovely holidays we celebrate are Satanic Pagan Worship days. Easter Bunnies and Hippies being Crucified are all made up stories to lull people into a false sense of security and a false state of knowledge about where they came from and where they are going.

This crap about the Long Haired Hippy being born on a different day than was first written is a load of rubbish. He never existed in the first place. He's a Sun symbol, nothing more and nothing less. A symbol used by the Roman Catholic Church to control the masses. And it worked. Lot's of weak minded people still believe in Fairy Tales of Deistic spirits walking on water and prophets farting in the Red Sea.

You'll notice the Pope is making a heap of money from the Book Sales detailing this rubbish.

The Vatican has had it's fingers in many religious control pies. They wrote most of the Bible and manipulated the writings in the Quran too.

Be thankful for the Son, for the 70 upon Zaphon are hungry.

reply to post by Bildo

Constantine assigned the date of Dec. 25 because it happened to coincide with pagan rites already practiced during that same time of year. The exact day or time of year is of little significance. The ideas of grace and forgiveness is what separates Christianity from other more "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" philosophies.

reply to post by jayelgee

I must be a pagan. I believe if someone rapes or murders my kin he should have the same done to him in the same way.

reply to post by charles1952


Dearest Charles,

I commend your dedication and bravery in your Quest for the Rannygazoo. Sigh...sadly, I will never be able to eat enough pasta or sauerkraut to ever gain the attribute of infallibility. You see, I was born female and can never become a Pope...or, in this case, Popette.

I have, however, after becoming versed in infallibility at a young age by well intentioned nuns, used the concept to my advantage at various occasions. To wit, "Hey, I'm not infallible, you know!" or "Hey, you're not infallible, you know!"

BTW the trilogy referenced in this thread was actually thought to be authored by Father Guido Sarducci, using the nom de plume of Pope Benedict XVI. There is some merit to this theory, as one notices the timeline, starting with later years and ending up with the birth. This is suspiciously similar to Father Sarducci's Vienne et Viennu planet.

For those too young to have never heard of this planet, a quick search will provide the info.

Respect!, desert

Originally posted by stevcolx
This crap about the Long Haired Hippy being born on a different day than was first written is a load of rubbish. He never existed in the first place.

The Vatican has had it's fingers in many religious control pies. They wrote most of the Bible...

Sounds like someone has eaten ONE too many of those delicious Vatican pies...

READ The Bible, research history and get your facts straight.

Was The Bible Changed By the Illuminati - by Chris White
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"A Lamp in the Dark" by Chris Pinto
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The Council of Nicaea Myth Debunked
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The Council of Nicaea Myth Debunked (*revised*)
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reply to post by undo


Yep, this is what I was talking about. Thanks for the vids.

reply to post by ComteGermain

Thanks, when I first read it, I was blown away by the amount of TRUTH to it...

My favorite James Allen quote BTW:

"Until thought is linked with purpose there is no intelligent accomplishment."

Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by helen6700
reply to post by stevcolx

 

Hi/

Your quote...

Very interesting indeed. Occult Holidays and Sabbats It's the same with Easter. "Easter" - Eostre, or Ishtar - was a goddess of fertility. It's all Occult Pagan Worship days ripped off by the Roman Catholic Church a.k.a. The Babylonian Trinity Church. They've quite cleverly managed to dupe a lot of people into believing in God and Jesus for the last 2,000 years. Just a pity it's all Symbolic Crap!!

Easter may be an occult holiday, but Pascha is not!
The actual word for the Crucifixion and the Resurrection of Christ is called Pascha, and this Word has not been changed.
The English Language has made the changes and the spoken Language of that time was mainly Greek ....
It's not all 'Symbolic crap'....it's just easier for you to say that!

ICXC NIKA

Actually it is easier to say that. Only because it's true. The Christian calendar is basically the Pagan Calendar but the Roman Catholic Church changed it to suit the False Deistic Spirit agenda detailed in the Roman handbook the Bible. All those little lovely holidays we celebrate are Satanic Pagan Worship days. Easter Bunnies and Hippies being Crucified are all made up stories to lull people into a false sense of security and a false state of knowledge about where they came from and where they are going.

This crap about the Long Haired Hippy being born on a different day than was first written is a load of rubbish. He never existed in the first place. He's a Sun symbol, nothing more and nothing less. A symbol used by the Roman Catholic Church to control the masses. And it worked. Lot's of weak minded people still believe in Fairy Tales of Deistic spirits walking on water and prophets farting in the Red Sea.

You'll notice the Pope is making a heap of money from the Book Sales detailing this rubbish.

The Vatican has had it's fingers in many religious control pies. They wrote most of the Bible and manipulated the writings in the Quran too.

Hi,/
The Roman Church is not the only Christian Church alive today!
The Early Church(EKKLISIA) was established by Christ and His Apostles.
The teachings handed down to the Apostles were from the Logos of Jesus Christ.
The Christians calculate feasts using the Julian Calendar....
The Vatican ''Did Not'' write most of the Bible and I'm also certain that the Vatican did not manipulate the writings in the Koran....
Celebrating one's birth and death are actually old Customs... it is a remembrance thing.
If Satan existed thousand of years ago, so also then God was and is and forever will be!\

ICXC NIKA

Originally posted by subjectzero

This is the first time I've read that Jesus' date of birth was in dispute. I've never heard that any attempt has been made to correct the error.

It is believed that Jesus was born between 7BC and 2BC.

It is also the first time I have heard anyone from the Church officially admit that anything pagan was incorporated into Church tradition. The pope admits that no one knows Christ's actual birthdate and that December 25th is likely a date associated with paganism.

www.telegraph.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

edit on 11/21/2012 by subjectzero because: (no reason given)

Now let's hope they can change his birthdate to some day in the summer. Isn't it kind of stupid to have millions and millions of people shopping while getting in each other's face in the middle of flu season? My vote is for August!

reply to post by helen6700


The Roman Catholic Church, which became the foundation of Christianity in all its later forms, is the Church of Babylon under another name.

You will find that 'Christian' holy days are the holy days of Babylon and the 'Christian' trinity is the Babylonian trinity in disguise.

The 'virgin-born sons', Jesus and Horus, were both connected to the symbol of the fish, as was Nimrod. The Gospel stories, on which 'Jesus' and Christianity were founded, are a mass of Egyptian/Sumerian/Babylonian mystery school symbolism relating to sun worship, secret rituals and other esoteric concepts.

The same basic story of 'born on December 25th, died to save humanity, etc., was widely told thousands of years before Christianity about the exploits of the sun gods in many and various cultures, including Rome (Mithra) and Babylon (Tammuz - the 'son of the Sun God')

Sun Worship! Jesus was the symbol of the Sun. Nothing more and nothing less!

And regarding the Quran. The Vatican created Islam and their main 'agent' was Muhammed.

Originally posted by stevcolx
reply to post by helen6700

 

The Roman Catholic Church, which became the foundation of Christianity in all its later forms, is the Church of Babylon under another name.

You will find that 'Christian' holy days are the holy days of Babylon and the 'Christian' trinity is the Babylonian trinity in disguise.

The 'virgin-born sons', Jesus and Horus, were both connected to the symbol of the fish, as was Nimrod. The Gospel stories, on which 'Jesus' and Christianity were founded, are a mass of Egyptian/Sumerian/Babylonian mystery school symbolism relating to sun worship, secret rituals and other esoteric concepts.

The same basic story of 'born on December 25th, died to save humanity, etc., was widely told thousands of years before Christianity about the exploits of the sun gods in many and various cultures, including Rome (Mithra) and Babylon (Tammuz - the 'son of the Sun God')

Sun Worship! Jesus was the symbol of the Sun. Nothing more and nothing less!

And regarding the Quran. The Vatican created Islam and their main 'agent' was Muhammed.

Hi/
Actually you are wrong!
It was not the Roman Catholic Church that Christianity built it's foundations on.
The early Church was called Holy and Catholic(Universal)Church.
Church is another word for the 'people' and it later became known as a building....so that it could accommodate the people that went to worship The Lord.
Dont just research the Inter-NET for information regarding History .....do some Soul searching !

December the 25th has been known to be a date of significance in the west (Roman Catholic), but in the East, january the 6th holds much more significance ...

This Feast included the Birth of Jesus Christ (that is, the Incarnation of the Logos), His Baptism (that is, His dedication in a human manner), and the appearance of the Father and the Holy Spirit-the first and only united appearance of the true Christian God. Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist, "filled with the Holy Spirit", said in anticipation, "whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, to give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." 1

Taken from this LINK

Hope that helps a little,

ICXC NIKA

reply to post by helen6700



It's still on based on Pagan Sun worship. And it all comes from Sumer and Babylon. The character Jesus was based on hundreds of other Sun Deities from long before. Most of the Bible was written by the Roman family the 'Flavians' and it too was based on Pagan Sun Worship. There were some stories on it based on fact yes but I'm afraid Jesus, Moses and Noah were not. Along with a heap of other literal creations!

Look at the Christian day of worship. Sunday! Part of the word gives it away. SUN!!!!

Originally posted by bugsbunny1967
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

I thought that the name YHWY translated into English was, "I AM, WHO I AM"?

Stephen.

edit on 22-11-2012 by bugsbunny1967 because: spelling

Nope, "behold the hand, behold the nail" or "behold the nailed hand". Each character for his name has a specific meaning, unlike engish letters where it takes a series of characters to make a word, hebrew and aramaic words are alot like the oriental kanji in chinese or japanese. His name is Yahveh(Yahweh) but hebrew names have meaning. Take my real name for example, it means "Yahveh will save", in hebrew it is Yahoshua and aramaic it is Yeshua.

reply to post by stevcolx

You've said some interesting things and, of course, I'm curious about them. Can you offer any source from scholars who have evidence to believe those things? I suspect that they hold opinions very different from those of mainstream scholarship on the subject.

Thanks.