German Atomic aircraft in WW2?

After the war the Allied Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-committee "CIOS" was authorised by the chiefs of staff of both USA and Britain to make a public statement confirming the Germans had developed an atomic aircraft. It was said capable of hypersonic flights to 60,000 ft yet one eyewitness quoted in CIOS reports noted the engine was very small about the size of a dustbin.

I wonder therefore if anybody can furnish precise information what methodology was used in that engine?

The witness quoted said that three P.1073 prototypes were being flown from a base in Mecklenberg near the Baltic coast. Two were conventionally powered by jet engines but the third was flown with an "Atomic engine" Kammler's Evacuation Kommando destroyed all trace of the project in 1945.

Here is the newspaper article referred to:

Interesting.
I remember Kammler being also involved with the Bell project (Die Glocke) using some exotic anti-gravity technology.
Unfortunately all records have been destroyed by Kammler and his "evacuation commando".

I am not sure if this relates to the article's "10000 mph atom plane".
Hehe got to love the writing style of paper articles back in the days.

Do you have a link of where you took the image of the newspaper ?
I have a pretty hard time reading it.

Rob Ardnt has a web page on the topic but I don't have a link to it so you will have to Google.

The atomic P.1073b is said to have reached 2000 kilometres per hour and altitudes of about 58,000 feet implying engine thrust of 30.000lb. I suspect we are talking some kind of LINAC device rather that a nuclear reactor pile.

I have found a BIOS report (British Intelligence Objectives Sub-committee) on the topic:



However all American intelligence on Nazi atomic aircraft development remains classified. In particular the Atomic engine of the Messerschmitt P.1073b appears to have been transferred to a superior airframe in the Lippisch P.13b which it is alleged in some surviving German archives reached Mach 1.6 sometime from October 1944.

WOW the nazi's they had everything. thank god they didnt have a sane military leader or we would be speaking german

will they ever declassify the nazi papers???

reply to post by blackz28


I dunno - they may have lost the war but they certainly won the peace (and I still speak English)

I've started a thread about my trip to Peenemünde rocket and advanced aircraft test facility near the Baltic Sea.

It includes several photos of models which were actually tested at Peenemünde.

You'll be amazed which designs they already had in store and possibly were about to test some exotic aircrafts.

(link is in my signature below )

They couldnt have an atomic plane as they had no atomic power they were experimenting with it but their scientists captured after the war were interogated and their rooms bugged and it was found that their research was way off the mark and miles behind the allies

reply to post by sy.gunson


The tech only seems atomic.
Even a small motor driven by propane would go 300 miles per second as Tesla said in
1915 but Woodrow Wilson was told Tesla was mad and said no so the US did not
buy into it before WWII. Crazy man Hitler found out and by the end of WWII the Foo
were flying to impress all but there was no atomic motor just the magnifying factor
of Tesla over the insulation of forces untouched by all except Tesla.

reply to post by TeslaandLyne


Not nit-picking, just curious.. Why do you allude to Tesla in every single technology post? He hasn't been around for a long, long time. Great inventions, great cornerstones, but he isn't around building aircraft, space stations, lasers, or tinfoil hats.

Again, just asking...

Originally posted by SoulVisions
reply to post by TeslaandLyne

 

Not nit-picking, just curious.. Why do you allude to Tesla in every single technology post? He hasn't been around for a long, long time. Great inventions, great cornerstones, but he isn't around building aircraft, space stations, lasers, or tinfoil hats.

Again, just asking...

People are still working on his inventions in secret.
Tesla ships are using static forces, pass it on.
ED: Like the AC power Tesla patented every item in the power grid,
the work of Tesla and GE buyout will not vanish from this Earth any time soon.
Yes in a way Tesla went to DC static after AC and GE followed and knows his air ship well.

ED+: So SoulVisions need any more help just ask.

reply to post by sy.gunson


That newspaper clipping looks like something the CIA would manufacture................................

Question everything.

Originally posted by dashdespatch
They couldnt have an atomic plane as they had no atomic power they were experimenting with it but their scientists captured after the war were interogated and their rooms bugged and it was found that their research was way off the mark and miles behind the allies

Yes. Apparently the captured Germans were utterly stunned by the news of the A-bombing of Hiroshima. They thought, very arrogantly, that Germany was substantially ahead of the US and UK (which they were in rocketry and perhaps in aircraft design), and knew how far away they were. They first thought that the news was a hoax and some psychological interrogation trick.

They couldn't believe they were beaten by so many Jews. (a goodly number of the Manhattan Project scientists had left Europe because of Nazi oppression).

Originally posted by blackz28
WOW the nazi's they had everything. thank god they didnt have a sane military leader or we would be speaking german

If they had a sane military and political leader they wouldn't have attempted to subjugate the world by force, and instead work on extending their advantages in technology and economic power. Without a war and Nazi ideology but with their technology, and all the smart Jews still working in Germany, they probably would have developed a nuclear reactor by the mid-late 40's, and perhaps an A-bomb prototype by the mid 1950's.

They would have been admired and envied for their success, power and wealth. They would have been the first nation to clearly rise out of the calamity of the Depression.

The USA would have been in some ways an economic rival but a political ally. USA and Germany would have cooperated to keep down the threats from the rogue nations of this world, the USSR (Germany's problem) and Japan (USA and the East's problem).

Actually in this scenario, many more Americans would be speaking German, as it would have turned into the primary language of Continental European commerce and technology. Science & engineering academic publishing would have stayed evenly split between English and German. Every physicist, mathemetician and engineer would find that knowing the German language would be essential. They would make the pilgrimage to the Albert Einstein Institute for Advanced Study in Berlin.

In the 1950's Germany and the USSR engaged in an arms race, but Germany was far ahead. After an excess of Soviet provocations in Eastern Europe, as well as Communist interference and agitation in domestic German politics, the conservative government in Germany launched a nuclear missile attack in 1962. The USSR was defenseless. Nobody had before witnessed a nuclear attack, they thought it was just a better bomb. The world was utterly shocked at the destructiveness, and they had no concept of fallout or radiation poisoning before. 30 Soviet cities and airbases were obliterated and the USSR collapsed, leaving the nation to starve. Desperate Russian refugees flooded into europe, hungry, poor, angry and sometimes armed with Kalashnikov's. The Beatles song "Back in the USSR" became a populist anthem, advocating immediate deportation and internment of refugees in concentration camps outside civilized European soil, i.e. "Back in the USSR."

reply to post by TheKeyMaster


All BIOS reports are declassified and available through the Imperial War Museum.

reply to post by dashdespatch


The Germans had artificial neutron sources, for example cyclotrons up to 9.5 MeV, they had a 5 MeV vandergraff accelerator at Berlin in the Dahlem bunker and four 18 MeV Tokamak (type) particle accelerators. At Bissingen there was also work on a 31 MeV particle accelerator developed by Dallenbach which was captured by ALSOS.

If you look up ARCJET you will find a design for an atomic engine which is nothing more than an adaptation of an electric arc furnace to accelerate Hydrogen or Ammonia. It produces 30,000lb thrust.

Thus with simple cyclotron technology you can build an atomic powered aircraft.

reply to post by mbkennel


I am not offended by your comments because I am not a Nazi ideologist, however the evidence does suggest they acquired nuclear weapons before the war ended.

reply to post by mbkennel


Germany had many investors and became like a internet bubble losing their
development as spoils of war. The oil companies perhaps mostly centered
in the US Gulf region then may have even contributed just to see what Germany
was up to.Replacing oil as an energy source had been thwarted many times
such as with Ford making vehicles running on alcohol and perhaps why Ford
took out the Tesla ignition coil at the behest of Rockefeller as being too powerful.
Would oil make atomic energy seem impossible to use or hold back any
so called free Tesla energy, yes they would. The work of Tesla was quite well
known in Germany and the testament are the saucers in New Mexico after WWII.

ED: SoulVisions I mentioned Tesla again.
Not impressed with 300 miles per second.
I think some people were as the New York Times or whatever paper may have
reported that news sort of went down from that point for me even though I only
found out a few years ago.

reply to post by sy.gunson


Heating up hydrogen does not make it atomic