What the next 4 years are REALLY going to look like....

reply to post by macman


Your ad hominum attacks don't bother me in the slightest and only a few of your hive are following and starring your posts which is par for the course when you are trying to peddle a false ideology. People are not going to believe you if you simply respond that is not true without providing evidence. Not only that I think people see what is going on as evidenced by the results of the last election. 11 of the Tea Party favorites elected in 2010 were voted out in 2012. That should tell you something. And none of this is laughing matter and far from giggling you induce a fog of loathing and acute nausea which I take to be some kind of instinctual response to evil.

Originally posted by newcovenant


Your ad hominum attacks don't bother me in the slightest and only a few of your hive are following and starring your posts which is par for the course when you are trying to peddle a false ideology.

And what attacks are those?
The us of the term "ad hominem attacks" by all the liberals and progressives here is funny. It is thrown around like the race card now days.
Sure sure.

Originally posted by newcovenant
People are not going to believe you if you simply respond that is not true without providing evidence.

What evidence is needed for what I stated?
Please be specific.
I think you will just spin your BS some more, without giving specifics.

Originally posted by newcovenant
Not only that I think people see what is going on as evidenced by the results of the last election. 11 of the Tea Party favorites elected in 2010 were voted out in 2012.

There were 2 seats lost to the Dems. That is a victory?

Originally posted by newcovenant
That should tell you something.

And none of this is laughing matter and far from giggling you induce a fog of loathing and acute nausea which I take to be some kind of instinctual response to evil.

What are you babbling about?
More BS.

You want the evil rich to pay more, to provide for others.
You want more people to be dependent on Govt.
You want higher taxes on the rich to punish them, because they obviously got their wealth at the expense of others.
You want the Govt to provide more free stuff to people.


That sums you up.

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reply to post by macman


Your basic premise is wrong. The rest has to do with that.

You want the evil rich to pay more, to provide for others.
You want more people to be dependent on Govt.

Uhh no I don't. You're aware Obama passed laws to eliminate welfare fraud and abuse more than any prior President has? And all I want is the rich to pay the same as everyone else. I don't want them to get breaks and special treatment I don't get because they are rich. Kind of a no brainer.
Doesn't sound like it.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Your basic premise is wrong. The rest has to do with that.

So, a blanket generic statement retort? Nice.

Originally posted by newcovenant
Uhh no I don't.

Oh really?
Lets look at this quote.

Originally posted by newcovenant
And all I want is the rich to pay the same as everyone else. I don't want them to get breaks and special treatment I don't get because they are rich

Fair share huh? You sound like you are repeating Liberal talking points.
And what percentage is it that you deem as fair?
I assume that you are in love with the progressive tax code, you know, with a sliding scale of increased percentage of taxes as you EARN more money.

Originally posted by newcovenant
You're aware Obama passed laws to eliminate welfare fraud and abuse more than any prior President has?

Yeah, sure. The fox is guarding the hen house and you are just fine with that.
Yet, there is still rampant fraud and abuse.
Oh, and now we have a law forcing people to purchase health insurance.
Now, that is irony. As all the mind dead went out and wanted this passed, thinking it is free health insurance, are now going to be forced to purchase something or be fined. It hurts the people that the Dems and you seem to love so much.


But, again, I am tired of working my butt off, to earn money, only to have almost 20% of MY money taken from me, to give free crap to others.
That is MY money, I worked for it, not anyone else.
Yet, you believe I and others need to pay more.
No wonder our country is circling the crapper, people like you expect people like me to continue to hand over more and more on MY money to give to others.

reply to post by macman


So you say you work and pay 20% of your taxes to give free crap to people? So roads and the upkeep of your infrastructure are crap? How about those military guys in your avatar? Should we make them pay themselves to make war?

CJ

reply to post by ColoradoJens


Oh geez, ya got me.
I guess that since i make a certain amount of money, that I must then, use those services more so than people making less.

You are SO right. I should be paying 20% for the same road that someone paying 8% drives on as well.


Sure sure.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by ColoradoJens

 

Oh geez, ya got me.
I guess that since i make a certain amount of money, that I must then, use those services more so than people making less.

You are SO right. I should be paying 20% for the same road that someone paying 8% drives on as well.


Sure sure.

Oh. So you are for a simple flat rate tax? So you have no issues with where your tax money goes if you are taxed 15%?

CJ

Even though a flat tax (on income) would be more fair, you would still have individuals that make more money shouldering much more of a burden.

If we balanced our budget with a per capita tax, we would quickly see a lot more people caring what our money is spent on.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by macman

 

Why don't you go mingle with your own kind in that other thread?

You and others are hijacking it with your nonsense.

Look at the petty little dictator! I thought this was an open discussion, where ideas were freely exchanged? Apparently, we must "stick to our kind". The OP provided us with a very optimistic view and there are plenty that don't see it that way, in which you have taken the mantle to bully out of the thread. Man I am looking forward to when we have a one-party government and decrees such as yours begin spreading and the punishment and bullying of all those opposed to your world-view are silenced.

Speaking of nonsense -- how do you leap from Gov. Romney's loss to equate to the uncovering of "white racism"? Do expound on that brilliant theory you are formulating.

reply to post by ColoradoJens


Nice way to deflect.
My question is, should I pay more, for the roads used by all, because I make more?
I don't use them any more then anyone else.

Oh yeah, roads are paid from Gas Taxes, as a large percentage. So, anyone not purchasing gas has no business driving or using the roads then, not even for bicycles.

And yes, I am for a flat or fair tax. EVERYONE should be paying the same percentage. EVERYONE.

As for what the money is used for? See the Constitution for that answer.

This is not very difficult.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by ColoradoJens

 

Nice way to deflect.
My question is, should I pay more, for the roads used by all, because I make more?
I don't use them any more then anyone else.

Oh yeah, roads are paid from Gas Taxes, as a large percentage. So, anyone not purchasing gas has no business driving or using the roads then, not even for bicycles.

And yes, I am for a flat or fair tax. EVERYONE should be paying the same percentage. EVERYONE.

As for what the money is used for? See the Constitution for that answer.

This is not very difficult.

edit on 30-11-2012 by macman because: (no reason given)

What? I'm not deflecting anything. I was asking a question. So if everyone pays the same taxes you'll have no qualms with where the money goes?

CJ

reply to post by macman


Hey thanks for keeping my thread up front and center. I think you should know I quit reading your posts awhile back so you are wasting your time. Hope you had a wonderful holiday though. Am I allowed to call it a "holiday" though as I know there are those of you finding reason to take THAT as offensive too. LOL Is there no end?

reply to post by ColoradoJens


There will be disagreements on any level.

Now, my question.
Just because I make a certain amount, do I then need to pay more, for use of the roads you used as an example, then someone making less?

Redistribution of wealth much?

reply to post by newcovenant


So, you quit reading my post, yet respond to one, only to say you quit reading my posts.
Sounds very High School'ish.

Sure sure then, sure sure.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by newcovenant

 

So, you quit reading my post, yet respond to one, only to say you quit reading my posts.
Sounds very High School'ish.

Sure sure then, sure sure.

If they are really short I read them.

I have no choice actually since I am such a speed reader just glancing at the page I end up reading much more than I ever really care to and although I do not actually "read" sometimes I "see" what you said. I can't help it.

reply to post by newcovenant

So basically, you don't care enough as to what others post in retort to your lengthy BS.

Ok then. At least your honest in your laziness.

Originally posted by Summerian
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Yeah, I know about that - that new 'stealth' fighter was canceled (F-22 Raptor).
BUT!
A study this summer by the nonpartisan Stimson Center, a Washington think tank, estimated costs would be at least $352 billion over the coming decade to operate and modernize the current arsenal.

Pretty soon the US will no longer have pilots doing the flying so no need for the F-22.

Meet the X-47B www.foxnews.com...

All the capabuilities of a F-18 with reduced costs of training pilots. This is the future of DoD and I think this President is finally learning more bang for the inflated budget reduces the deficit and spending......Bravo.


EDIT for all the talk of taxes: My two cents is this, nobody and I mean nobody (go ahead and call the contact number on the IRS to confirm this) can proove taxes we pay is even legal as per the Constitution. No amendment has ever been made to support this.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by newcovenant

 

So basically, you don't care enough as to what others post in retort to your lengthy BS.

Ok then. At least your honest in your laziness.

Thank you and FYI...don't assume the "care enough as to what others post" part unless you have evidence I deliberately ignored anyone else's post but yours.

Which... I don't think you do.

And I only ignore your because with so few exceptions your replies are delusions, distractions, deflections, and attempts to derail the thread. They are simply repeats on a tiresome theme presented by someone either financially dependent on the Republican agenda or else hopelessly misinformed. Either way I cannot help you with "accurate" information to replace the drivel you get on the GOP owned FOX NEWS, and I have given up trying. So sue me.

reply to post by newcovenant


Yeah, because when I ignore and give up, I ALWAYS respond to following statements.

And yes, your statement does show that you could care less about what others respond with, as you stated you don't really read them.

Oh, and where have I stated I watch Fox News?

Again, more BS from a BS'er.

Sure sure.