You need God not preps

I hate to sound like a religious person but the universal fact is that you need to get close with the Maker if you want any real chance of survival. He alone decides where you will be at the time TSHTF. For all you know you could be 1000 miles away from your stockpile and never reach it. What if you panic and you can't find your bug out bag. So many what if's and you cannot possible plan contingency for all of them. Even if you carry your bug out bag with you at all times what if you leave it in the the burger king bathroom? You have no idea what is coming down the river at all. What if that there is no big tragedy which you can use your skills and materials. and nothing happens for decades until the day God forbid you die. You will have wasted your life on nothingness. My suggestion is for a small prep bag and give the rest to charity. Your heart tells you that this is true.

you will need both....

Originally posted by pellian
I hate to sound like a religious person...

Well that's not true.

pray in one hand ... # in the other see which fills up first.. when tshtf knowledge.. skill.. experience.. proper mindset and preparation will get one further than some imaginary character..... theres indigineous peoples around the world who live without modern conveniences and without the western god and they survive / live quite well

I want to believe.

But how come I do really good things for people, and donate spare change to charities, but yet I still have to struggle day to day to survive right now? I'm in a real life survival situation.. why hasn't the one you term "God" assisted me? Perhaps I'm not the most righteous person on the earth, but I'm by far from a malevolent person.


So say I'm in said situation, and I believe in "God" but I still don't get divine intervention like I should?

Originally posted by pellian
I hate to sound like a religious person but the universal fact is that you need to get close with the Maker if you want any real chance of survival. He alone decides where you will be at the time TSHTF. For all you know you could be 1000 miles away from your stockpile and never reach it. What if you panic and you can't find your bug out bag. So many what if's and you cannot possible plan contingency for all of them. Even if you carry your bug out bag with you at all times what if you leave it in the the burger king bathroom? You have no idea what is coming down the river at all. What if that there is no big tragedy which you can use your skills and materials. and nothing happens for decades until the day God forbid you die. You will have wasted your life on nothingness. My suggestion is for a small prep bag and give the rest to charity. Your heart tells you that this is true.

You are correct.

Luke 17:33

Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

That mark will be a choice to take or not take. I already choose to lose my life willingly.

So let me get this straight,... the creator of the ant farm is going to make sure that each specific ant is exactly where he wants them when he decides to wreck havoc on the ant farm he created?

As an ant in the farm, how am I supposed to comprehend or get close to my creator?

If its a choice between telling yourself a bunch of nonsense or hoarding sugar to make yourself feel better than choose whats right for you.

btw: i don't approve of any system that's purpose is to make people feel like a victim,.. which is just about everything in modern society.

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He alone decides where you will be at the time TSHTF.

yes, true. this almighty spirit determines every fate very accurate. unbelievable.

Originally posted by eXia7
I want to believe.

But how come I do really good things for people, and donate spare change to charities, but yet I still have to struggle day to day to survive right now? I'm in a real life survival situation.. why hasn't the one you term "God" assisted me? Perhaps I'm not the most righteous person on the earth, but I'm by far from a malevolent person.


So say I'm in said situation, and I believe in "God" but I still don't get divine intervention like I should?

edit on 11/18/2012 by eXia7 because: forgot 1 key word lol

Proverbs 16:19

Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud.

Matthew 5

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by pellian
I hate to sound like a religious person but the universal fact is that you need to get close with the Maker if you want any real chance of survival. He alone decides where you will be at the time TSHTF. For all you know you could be 1000 miles away from your stockpile and never reach it. What if you panic and you can't find your bug out bag. So many what if's and you cannot possible plan contingency for all of them. Even if you carry your bug out bag with you at all times what if you leave it in the the burger king bathroom? You have no idea what is coming down the river at all. What if that there is no big tragedy which you can use your skills and materials. and nothing happens for decades until the day God forbid you die. You will have wasted your life on nothingness. My suggestion is for a small prep bag and give the rest to charity. Your heart tells you that this is true.

You are correct.

Luke 17:33

Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

That mark will be a choice to take or not take. I already choose to lose my life willingly.

I choose to lose my life willingly, also, when that time comes. And we need not worry about food or water or even shelter when things do get bad. The Lord will provide for us in times of trouble just like He provided for Elijah.

Isaiah 33:15-16(KJV)
15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.

isnt dependence the first step toward slavery?

it applies to socialist america just as it does to converting the world to your faith lol

i wish someone would help me, just for helping myself. but i guess its even easier then that lol

So basically what is being said that everything good in one's life comes from God, but wouldn't that make everything bad that happens in life comes from God? If he already knows everything and creates everything, then he knows that I will go to hell and the fact that he would know that he created me with my fate being that I will be going to hell, what choice is there for me?

Why is that a Christian can say that God will provide for them and protect them, then why does he indiscriminately kills any and all with the destruction from natural disasters, wars, famine, etc. etc. etc....?

The moment we stop waiting around for some god to save us and start taking responsibility as a race of human beings, the faster we can actually build a society without a lot of the bad things in life.

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You will have wasted your life on nothingness,,,, This is how I feel about religion

Originally posted by clarkness
So basically what is being said that everything good in one's life comes from God, but wouldn't that make everything bad that happens in life comes from God? If he already knows everything and creates everything...

its a very common converting technique.

some people can be turned by being told they have no choices in the world, and fate already controls them. knowing you have nothing left to lose, at least a good afterlife they can look forward to.

others who are more outgoing, and believe they control their own outcomes in life, can be converted by telling them god can and will take it all away. they are living sinful lives and must surrender to their faith.

everyone else is just killed when they are to stubborn. at least historically.

Originally posted by pellian
I hate to sound like a religious person but the universal fact is that you need to get close with the Maker if you want any real chance of survival. He alone decides where you will be at the time TSHTF. For all you know you could be 1000 miles away from your stockpile and never reach it. What if you panic and you can't find your bug out bag. So many what if's and you cannot possible plan contingency for all of them. Even if you carry your bug out bag with you at all times what if you leave it in the the burger king bathroom? You have no idea what is coming down the river at all. What if that there is no big tragedy which you can use your skills and materials. and nothing happens for decades until the day God forbid you die. You will have wasted your life on nothingness. My suggestion is for a small prep bag and give the rest to charity. Your heart tells you that this is true.

That's like saying I'll just vote Obama, through his support and handouts my life will be great because I'm too lazy to work...

God will help those who help themselves!

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History has shown us many things. One of those things, if we are carefully enough to observe, is the same thing observed by people of “faith” throughout the ages. That is, that nature often visits the same afflictions on the pious and the pompous evenly and with no consideration for their respective temporal deeds or their respective opinions on the “afterlife”. Having faith in the event that the doodie is flung gives you no clear advantage.

If you mean to imply that it gives you comfort in your time of distress, then I counter by asking: Is that reason enough for people to live a “life of faith”(whatever that maybe)? There are atheists in foxholes, sir, and I do not need fabrication or fairytale to help me keep my head or my humanity in times of crisis.

Further, geology shows us that the cataclysmic is inevitable. 98% of species to ever grace this planet have gone the way of the dodo bird. Unless we are ready, we will too. Climatology and accurate, unbiased, unsolicited science shows us that there are several rather large (to humanity) events looming in the not too distant future.

I have a progeny and I see nothing wrong with doing my best to provide for them in every possible scenario. And I do not see any evidence to suggest that relying on the invisible will net me any benifit with the tangible.

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No offence to the more religiously minded folk on this site (I am a man of faith myself), but is God going to feed and clothe my family if a SHTF scenario did occur. Is God going to find my family shelter and security? What about medicine? If so then, what are we all worrying about? When the time comes shall I just sit on my porch with a beer and wait for 'God' to do all the hard work instead?

You raise a valid point that when the time comes we may not all be as prepared as we hope, but that doesn't mean we should not try, instead putting faith on divine intervention. Telling us not to bother setting preparations to save our families in a Worst Case Scenario is irresponsible at best.

Originally posted by Bisman
isnt dependence the first step toward slavery?

it applies to socialist america just as it does to converting the world to your faith lol

i wish someone would help me, just for helping myself. but i guess its even easier then that lol

I'm definitely a slave then, i depend on my Wife all the time, she depends on me equally as well! I depend on my employees to turn up to work on Monday, as they depend on me to pay them on Friday, i depend on a good harvest from my own home-grown fruit and veg patches so i can eat, as they depend on me to look after them.

I'm a slave to to my fruit and veg all hail fruit and veg

Wouldn't it be easier if god were to simply prevent ww3????