20 Questions Christians Can't Answer!

Originally posted by Beavers

Originally posted by Deetermined

As a matter of fact, the Bible talks about "the little scroll" and other information which won't be revealed to us until the time gets closer to need it.

Got a link/reference for that? Sounds juicy

The book of Revelation, Chapter 10.

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4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

God's sons, angels? smashing in Man's daughters, and giants.

Marvellous stuff!

It certainly sounds that way, doesn't it? The book of Enoch has much to say about this matter! That's a topic that I'll be interested in knowing the truth to when it's totally revealed.

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Deuteronomy 6:4

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Elohim is both singular and plural...just like God.

So we're using the words of a man to interpret the words of a god? Seems legit.

In addition, why would "God" tell us not to worship any other gods before him if he was the only god in existence?

Originally posted by Pedro4077
My simple Question to Christians is...

Where did those Giant Lizards (Dinosaurs) come from?

edit on 18-11-2012 by Pedro4077 because: added image

headline... nice tag. didn't notice that one before.

Anyways... Congrats to the Christians that attempt to answer the 20 questions. My question to all the atheists and skeptics is "what is your belief system"... that you think will keep you... in this life and your next life? And do you think they are so great that Christians should throw away their beliefs to adhere to yours?

The problem of the twenty questions is not the questions, but the attitude that Christians need to answer and defend or justify their beliefs to you. I myself don't have to. I accepted Jesus as my Savior many years ago... and if it wasn't for His kindness, encouragement, and love... I would be dead or on the street right now.

But to answer the question about the dinosaurs (cute pic by the way)... The bible alludes/says (in one or two verses) that there was a different world before this one.... In that world...dinosaurs roamed.

Satan was around for a long time before our world was formed... he had a major role in destroying the last world...

The Fall of Lucifer

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’
Isaiah 14:12-17 NKJV

When the world was started, Genesis 1 says...

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
Genesis 1:1-2 NKJV

Basically, the earth was (made) a mudball... courtesy of satan. All the dinosars were destroyed. One lived however, in all of that mud... leviathian. He's a sea creature/dinosaur... the stuff that ancient seamen had stories of... of sea monsters and stuff. That sea monster was leviathian. Yes, he was real.... See the next reference for details. Job 41 NKJV

some excerpts...
Job 41:5-11 NKJV

5 Will you play with him as with a bird,
Or will you leash him for your maidens?
6 Will your companions make a banquet of him?
Will they apportion him among the merchants?
7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons,
Or his head with fishing spears?
8 Lay your hand on him;
Remember the battle—
Never do it again!
9 Indeed, any hope of overcoming him is false;
Shall one not be overwhelmed at the sight of him?
10 No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.
Who then is able to stand against Me?
11 Who has preceded Me, that I should pay him?
Everything under heaven is Mine.

Job 41:14-21 NKJV

14 Who can open the doors of his face,
With his terrible teeth all around?
15 His rows of scales are his pride,
Shut up tightly as with a seal;
16 One is so near another
That no air can come between them;
17 They are joined one to another,
They stick together and cannot be parted.
18 His sneezings flash forth light,
And his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 Out of his mouth go burning lights;
Sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils,
As from a boiling pot and burning rushes.
21 His breath kindles coals,
And a flame goes out of his mouth.

reply to post by Deetermined


Thanks!!

Here is the biggest question of them all:

Why do atheists feel the need to create these daily anti-Christian threads?
My answer:
Their strings are being pulled by Lucifer, therefore validating the existence of God

reply to post by AfterInfinity

So we're using the words of a man to interpret the words of a god? Seems legit.

What can I say? That was the role of the Holy Spirit to do....to bear witness to the Word.

In addition, why would "God" tell us not to worship any other gods before him if he was the only god in existence?

Because the other "gods" weren't really gods at all, they were fallen angels posing as gods to the people. That's why there are so many "gods" listed in mythology.

reply to post by Deetermined

What can I say? That was the role of the Holy Spirit to do....to bear witness to the Word.

Such an informative answer! Did you catch the sarcasm? 'Cause I meant it.

Because the other "gods" weren't really gods at all, they were fallen angels posing as gods to the people. That's why there are so many "gods" listed in mythology.

How do you know he isn't one too? Because the Bible says so?

Also, my response to JohnWilkesBooth continues to be ignored. I was sure someone would challenge it, but perhaps there is no argument to be found?

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reply to post by primus2012

Here is the biggest question of them all:

Why do atheists feel the need to create these daily anti-Christian threads?

Here is my answer:
A) To try to assist those who rely on magical thinking (Christianity) to rise to a higher level of cognizance and take responsibility for nurturing the next generation AWAY FROM primitive and very childish magical thinking; and also

B) Because they are interested in conversing with fellow adults who have outgrown "magical thinking," which is a cop-out. Humanity needs to step up to the plate and stop waiting on some at-best improbable -- and at worst fictitious -- event that gets them off the hook.

We have each other, and today -- right now -- that's really all we have, until we die.

Inoculations Against Religiosity: Intelligence and Education
Anti-religion vaccines: intelligence and education.

Published on May 14, 2009 by Gad Saad, Ph.D. in Homo Consumericus

I realize that this post might offend some religious people. This is not my intention. Rather, I am here to report some scientific findings, which in so doing might indeed ruffle some religious feathers.

...Scientists have explored the relationship between intelligence and religiosity, as well as between education level attained and religiosity for many decades (see the following article that summarizes some of the relevant research). Unfortunately, for religious folks, the news is not good. IQ and religiosity are negatively correlated, at both the individual as well as national levels.

Religiosity and educational attainment are also negatively correlated. Amongst the educated classes, professors are the least likely to be religious, and finally within the academe, the more eminent the professor is, the less he/she is likely to be religious. The evidence could not be any clearer.

Religion requires that one suspend rational thought and instead take the proverbial leap of faith.

Hence, that which is considered a hallmark of intelligence namely the ability to arrive at veridical conclusions based on the presented evidence is denigrated as irrelevant when it comes to swallowing whole religious narratives.

It would seem that God is one hell of a trickster as he has apparently endowed us with the most complex computational system known to mankind (our brain) and then has asked that we refrain from using it, as per His narcissistic edict to believe in Him. The bottom line is that God is striking the following deal with us: "If you truly believe in me, I command you to refrain from using the brain that I have given you. Accept me by rejecting your brain."

from Psychology Today here
see the article for the link to the other article that publishes the research done.

Originally posted by MarkJS
Anyways... Congrats to the Christians that attempt to answer the 20 questions. My question to all the atheists and skeptics is "what is your belief system"... that you think will keep you... in this life and your next life?

I guess the best way to describe somebody on my path is an "eclectic pagan witch". Within that construct, I believe in multiple deities and also in reincarnation. My beliefs also allow room for your gods to exist, as well. This makes me "Christian-friendly" as long as the Christian in question isn't proclaiming authority just by virtue of being a Christian.

Originally posted by MarkJS
And do you think they are so great that Christians should throw away their beliefs to adhere to yours?

Absolutely not. As long as you are spiritually fed, that is. If you are not content nor feeling like you are on the path to an enlightenment, then I'd advise you to shop around. Of course I think my way is the "right way" but I also think that peanutbutter and jalapenos are the "right" kind of sandwich. I'm adult enough to realize that it's not right for everybody.

I fully endorse the worship whatever goddess or god a person wants to worship as long as it's not damaging to others. Adherents of the Abrahamic faiths can be dangerous (prejudice, violence, racism, dominionism, etc) if they took their holy books in certain (and literal) ways. Christians no longer burn people for not being a part of the club and, even when they did, not all of them did. Likewise, some of my predecessors were rumored to do all sorts of unsavory acts.

No path with a human history is without blemishes. If you are a decent person and you follow a path that has been around for a while, you are probably not doing it literally and have fashioned it to fit your morality. I know tons of great Christians. None of whom take every single word in the bible as a literal and flawless commandment from their god.

Originally posted by MarkJS
The problem of the twenty questions is not the questions, but the attitude that Christians need to answer and defend or justify their beliefs to you. I myself don't have to. I accepted Jesus as my Savior many years ago... and if it wasn't for His kindness, encouragement, and love... I would be dead or on the street right now.

That's the spirit. You do not have to answer to anybody but your deities. I'll debate a Christian about interpretations of their holy books but I'll never just tell them their religion is "wrong". Because I don't believe it is. There are non-ignorant ways to follow the most narrow of paths. It's respectable when those that follow a narrow path makes concessions in order to be a better person.

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Understanding the mechanics of something absolutely does not negate the mechanic. It's a Bozo mentality that thinks so.

Now what ?

reply to post by randyvs

Understanding the mechanics of something absolutely does not negate the mechanic.

You don't even understand the mechanics absolutely, so what makes you think you know the mechanic? What if the mechanics ARE the mechanic? A cyborg!

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You don't even understand the mechanics absolutely, so what makes you think you know the mechanic? What if the mechanics ARE the mechanic? A cyborg!

Come on AI, even you can do better then pantheism. You can line the halls of understanding with what ifs. I expect better from you, believe that.

I think it's hilarious when people take whats written in the bible Literally.

It's meant to be taken figuratively or metaphorically, unfortunately the institution that is Religion has warped it's meaning into a "read it, believe it" mentality, and it has spread so far that even non-christians like this guy in the video have been suckered into ignorance.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Deetermined

 

What can I say? That was the role of the Holy Spirit to do....to bear witness to the Word.

Such an informative answer! Did you catch the sarcasm? 'Cause I meant it.

Because the other "gods" weren't really gods at all, they were fallen angels posing as gods to the people. That's why there are so many "gods" listed in mythology.

How do you know he isn't one too? Because the Bible says so?

I'm sorry that you don't understand the role of the Holy Spirit well enough to consider my answer "informative", but moving on to your question....

In my research, the "gods" of mythology spent more time fighting among themselves and killing each other for power than actually holding any real power over people physically(with the exception of playing with their minds).

In the Bible, you hear God telling mankind to quit worshiping other gods, but you don't hear about him battling other gods for power. Now, I know this is the part you hate about God, but instead of battling the other "gods" he chooses to deal with his children when they don't listen instead. You may think this is harsh and that the fallen "gods" should be the ones dealt with, and they will be, but not before God collects those who chose to be "faithful" throughout all of it anyway.

Just my opinion.

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Come on AI, even you can do better then pantheism. You can line the halls of understanding with what ifs. I expect better from you, believe that.

On the whole, I couldn't care less what you expect of me. In fact, you're better off keeping those comments to yourself because I'm likely pick my ideas from a hat, just to keep it interesting. Who knows, maybe I'll toss in a "dance naked at the pulpit" slip. You only live once!

I can do better than pantheism? You have a terrible habit of looking down your nose at anything that doesn't support your ideals of what makes the world go round. I figure that if it makes people happy and contributes towards helping the world become a better place for future generations, go for it. There's more than one way to find spiritual fulfillment, and I'll be the first to admit it.

And if you can't see what I'm talking about, then you probably shouldn't be giving me spiritual advice. Not that I was ever inclined to listen anyway.

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In my experience, when the Bible is talking about something metaphorically, it uses the word "parable" or says "those who have ears, let them hear".

It's hard to say that all of it is figurative or metaphoric when it includes lengthy genealogy lists, detailed dimensions of temples, has several books of the Bible sharing the same stories, etc.. I think there's too much detail included in order to be able to say that.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by MarkJS
Anyways... Congrats to the Christians that attempt to answer the 20 questions. My question to all the atheists and skeptics is "what is your belief system"... that you think will keep you... in this life and your next life?

I guess the best way to describe somebody on my path is an "eclectic pagan witch". Within that construct, I believe in multiple deities and also in reincarnation. My beliefs also allow room for your gods to exist, as well. This makes me "Christian-friendly" as long as the Christian in question isn't proclaiming authority just by virtue of being a Christian.

Thanks for your kind response...

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by MarkJS
And do you think they are so great that Christians should throw away their beliefs to adhere to yours?

...
I fully endorse the worship whatever goddess or god a person wants to worship as long as it's not damaging to others. Adherents of the Abrahamic faiths can be dangerous (prejudice, violence, racism, dominionism, etc) if they took their holy books in certain (and literal) ways. Christians no longer burn people for not being a part of the club and, even when they did, not all of them did.

Many people use religion, or the name of God to justify atrocious acts. That doesn't mean that God actually approved. I would go on to say that those acts did not change God one little bit. God is still good. It only changes the perception of some who don't really know God for His Goodness... to be a less than.

Originally posted by Cuervo
No path with a human history is without blemishes. If you are a decent person and you follow a path that has been around for a while, you are probably not doing it literally and have fashioned it to fit your morality. I know tons of great Christians. None of whom take every single word in the bible as a literal and flawless commandment from their god.

The thing about true Christianity is that we follow a Person... the living Jesus Christ. Some Christians for example see one thing as sin... But the other Christian sees it as OK... They both have to answer to God for what they believe- and if they followed it according to what Jesus directed them personally to do.

Dogma Christianity has its adherents and rules... but this deviates from following Jesus the Person. It's called religion... man trying to reach God, and be approved by God, on his own terms.

And guess what, "it works"... in a way. This is "the rub" as Shakespeare would say. All religions work.. That is why there are so many ppl that follow them. You can believe that a flower is God.. and it will do you some good... at least for a while. The problem is a similar problem with lies. Someone can lie about something, and they might get away with it for a while... but in the end.... it all comes out.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by MarkJS
The problem of the twenty questions is not the questions, but the attitude that Christians need to answer and defend or justify their beliefs to you. I myself don't have to. I accepted Jesus as my Savior many years ago... and if it wasn't for His kindness, encouragement, and love... I would be dead or on the street right now.

That's the spirit. You do not have to answer to anybody but your deities. I'll debate a Christian about interpretations of their holy books but I'll never just tell them their religion is "wrong". Because I don't believe it is. There are non-ignorant ways to follow the most narrow of paths. It's respectable when those that follow a narrow path makes concessions in order to be a better person.

While you're giving salutations to all these different dieties... may I suggest that you do something different with Jesus? You see, only Jesus died for our/your sins. In that, God has honored Him above all:

Philippians 2:5-11

New King James Version (NKJV)

The Humbled and Exalted Christ

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Philipians 2:5-11

I believe you know what you should do...

reply to post by Deetermined

I'm sorry that you don't understand the role of the Holy Spirit well enough to consider my answer "informative", but moving on to your question....

That's because I don't consider the nature of this "Holy Spirit" to be a given. If you can give me a reliable source with conclusive evidence and multiple trials from independent experts whose analysis unanimously agrees on a classifiable identity for the essence you call the "Holy Spirit", I'll be willing to lend an ear.

So far, not a single person has offered me such evidence. Their sole source of support is interpretation and circumstantial bias.

In my research, the "gods" of mythology spent more time fighting among themselves and killing each other for power than actually holding any real power over people physically(with the exception of playing with their minds).

That's what happens when immortal beings get bored. I like to think that those stories were representations of the various aspects of the human mind when empowered by the divinity that thrives within, and how they interact under circumstance disguised with metaphors. Obviously, we haven't been visited by Thor or Athena in a while, so...

In the Bible, you hear God telling mankind to quit worshiping other gods, but you don't hear about him battling other gods for power. Now, I know this is the part you hate about God, but instead of battling the other "gods" he chooses to deal with his children when they don't listen instead.

No, I'm more opposed to the apparent fact that he'd rather punish us for lending our support to other deities than fight those deities themselves for our allegiance. In short, he can't stand up to them, so he's going to smack us around until we're too scared to worship other powers. It's easier to buy the army than it is to kill the general. That makes sense too, doesn't it?

You may think this is harsh and that the fallen "gods" should be the ones dealt with, and they will be, but not before God collects those who chose to be "faithful" throughout all of it anyway.

Not really. That just makes it painfully clear to me that not even the angels could stand him. And from what I understand, "faithful" is the same as "slavery". Sorry, I didn't choose to be born, and I certainly don't choose to be a slave, whether it be to a man or to a god. I will die before I give my soul to someone who doesn't deserve it. The soul is the most precious thing you can give - it is not a tool to squander on worthless bargains.

If your beliefs are true then god created evil, set evil free, and creates life that will succumb to evil so he can damn the seduced to burn forever or burn a while then become nonexistant.

screw that god

I dont surround myself with lunatics why would I bow to one?

That kind of god will never be worth my soul. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by MarkJS
While you're giving salutations to all these different dieties... may I suggest that you do something different with Jesus? You see, only Jesus died for our/your sins. In that, God has honored Him above all:

Slow down there, Turbo. I extended the olive branch and you returned to me a gospel tract.

With that aside, I think we see where the other is coming from. I don't feel the need to recruit you and I also know you are sort of obligated to attempt to recruit me so I'll let it slide. In any case, thanks for the rest of your response. Ultimately, we both answer to higher authorities and I'm very thankful we live in the age when these things can be discussed without one of us ending up burned at the stake or cooking in a giant kettle.