Israeli invasion of Gaza announced on twitter; confirmed support for Israel by US and UK and Canada.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by jonnywhite

 

I have to agree somewhat. If this were happening to America we would not sit idly as rockets come down. We would occupy Gaza and move the people or sned them to another country. What people don't understand is thousands upon thousands of rockets have rained down on Israel since 2001 and a lot of it is funded by terrorist elements and anti-US regimes like Iran.

I appreciate your reply and indeed...There is a graphic counting how many of those too. Now, keep in mind of course, this is only since Israel forcibly removed it's own Settlers to clear Gaza and try and get something like an agreement going for stability. Err... didn't work out, as you say.

Over 9 THOUSAND rockets fired...and as you also note, Israel is a small place. Very small.



I'd ask some of the Israel haters how the Palestinians manage to fire thousands of Rockets at only the Jews and not the Israeli Arab citizens that also inhabit the land outside Gaza...but I've never found even a passing line of logic to support it so I gave up trying. It would seem Israel's ONLY acceptable course of actions are either to surrender in place and just leave their own nation.....or stand there and be rocketed, sniped and mortared until defeat comes by default. Any action in defense...is wrong? Go figure huh?

That is no longer the point.....

The point is.... W H Y meddle at all. Why take part in this on either side?
There's no justification to this...

The mere fact that so many people use fictitious scriptures about some people who did this and that 2000 years ago to argue that someone has more or less right to ANY land in this world, is beyond ridiculos. It's pathetic, it is insane!

History teaches us two things... religion brings NO good... and apparently no matter how much effort we put into the middle east, they wont change, none of them will. The people might yes, but the psychopaths who lead either side will not.

In all honesty, it would probably be best if all the current leaders in that area would take a bus trip together and accidentally drive out over a mountain, then let the people try to find some more sane individuals to lead them. Maybe someone who isn't constantly holding a bible, torah or koran in one hand.

Religion is poison and if it doesn't destroy us this time, next time it will.

For too long we have lead ourselves be clouded by these silly childish texts that try to force ideas into our heads and divide us across borders. The pin man against man and fear into the hearts of women and children.

For what? Some stupid promise of something special once this insignificant life is over? That alone proves that man is not fit to rule this world... blind faith is a weakness and once that weakness is covered by a shroud of weaponry it becomes more dangerous than anything else on this Earth.

It is our duty to detach ourselves from this train of thought that will take us no where. It will not enlighten us, it will not make us better people. It will keep us imprisoned and frail.
It will hinder us from loving and respecting our neighbour for being simply another human being.

There are no differences between you and me... none. The only differences that keep us apart, that keep you from drinking water from my toast and me from dining at your table is the words of megalomanic psychopathic corrupt individuals such as the majority of parliaments around the world and those who sit at the top of the banking tree of death.

So why.... why do we insist on letting ourselves be fooled and pushed to hate someone halfway around the world, that most likely will never hurt you and I, and most likely will fall asleep crying, not knowing wether they will wake up or not because we send their governments weapons and weapons of mass destruction.

That thought alone tears through my heart and I no longer have ANY respect for anyone who openly supports any form of military response from either side.

Peace... is the only way forth, and you cannot create peace through the barrel of a gun.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

You speak for yourself only. You do not speak for the rest of the UK or USA or any other nation so drop the idiocy. Hamas is a violent terrorist group bent on destruction. Israel has every right to defend themselves. I would judge Israel if they did not defend themselves.
By the way, UK, USA, and Canada have already given their support for Israel so you spoke out of place.

He speaks for me as a citizen of the UK.

What part of your opinion makes it more valid than his?

Originally posted by Echo3Foxtrot
I say we just let them fight it out without intervention unless another country intervenes. But only if the intervention is of a huge impact.

Obama wants to stop the wars right? Keep America out of it all? Here's his chance to practice what he's been preaching.

I'd agree if they were both equally armed.

Israel has pretty much violated international law; as reported here:
rt.com...

For those of us in the UK. Hague is putting his support behind Israel... Cameron and his pathetic government need to be put on trial for supporting war crimes. Not just this event, but Syria,Libya and many other recent events.

Think about it. I don't know how anyone can support a tory government, especially this tory government with the bunch of goons that are apart of it now.


Fed up with it. I'm not usually a person to put honour in the flag of my country and all that rubbish, but the fact is, these morons in this unelected government are destroying all and every bit of integrity left in the UK (if we had any to begin with...).

Quoting a post from another thread. Hope that's not true.

Originally posted by Aquarius2150
From twitter

Mazen Mahdi ‏@MazenMahdi

RT @AnonymousPress: DO NOT answer these numbers (or unknown) 0447624100000 082888903 Israel's number, they use it to GPS #GazaUnderAttack

so they are calling phones to get a GPS location then drop bombs...now thats scary.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by jonnywhite

 

I have to agree somewhat. If this were happening to America we would not sit idly as rockets come down. We would occupy Gaza and move the people or sned them to another country. What people don't understand is thousands upon thousands of rockets have rained down on Israel since 2001 and a lot of it is funded by terrorist elements and anti-US regimes like Iran.

I appreciate your reply and indeed...There is a graphic counting how many of those too. Now, keep in mind of course, this is only since Israel forcibly removed it's own Settlers to clear Gaza and try and get something like an agreement going for stability. Err... didn't work out, as you say.

And in retrospect it was pretty stupid of them to do so, and then to allow hamas to take control of gaza politically.

This is what happens when a)you surrender most of the land you conquered from muslim aggressors and b)you let a religious conflict simmer instead of seeking some kind of negotiations with palestinians and syrians and jordanians. Why should palestine compromise exclusively of jewish israeli land when israel is already a small country?

The jewish government has been suicidal in giving too much land to the palestinians and not asking anything in return from its neighbors, then not even considering palestine to become an officially seperate nation from israel. Both jews and arabs belong in that region. It would be fair for both to have their respective countries. I was initially for one secular nation, but realised the religious hate runs too deep to be solved this way. Then make jerusalem an independant nation as well with people of all religious and ethnic backgrounds welcome.

Over 9 THOUSAND rockets fired...and as you also note, Israel is a small place. Very small.



I'd ask some of the Israel haters how the Palestinians manage to fire thousands of Rockets at only the Jews and not the Israeli Arab citizens that also inhabit the land outside Gaza...but I've never found even a passing line of logic to support it so I gave up trying. It would seem Israel's ONLY acceptable course of actions are either to surrender in place and just leave their own nation.....or stand there and be rocketed, sniped and mortared until defeat comes by default. Any action in defense...is wrong? Go figure huh?

How can you be sure there were 9,321 rockets fired and not 5,897 fired? Just joking....errr

The point is israel has ALWAYS been backed by the west and DONE NOTHING to solve its national security problems. They give more and more land and get nothing but hate and rockets shoved down their throat. Then they over-react and usa thinks this is a-ok to do so. USA pressures neither hamas nor the criminal israeli government to sit down and work out a long term agreement. Whose fault is it? When you have the upper hand in a conflict and don't use it....it is your fault indeed!

reply to post by jonnywhite


I love how people like you define terrorism based on your political leanings.

Its not Iran which has occupied nations around the globe for decade, killing civillians in their hundreds of thousands.

Originally posted by InsideYourMind
Israel has pretty much violated international law; as reported here:
rt.com...

For those of us in the UK. Hague is putting his support behind Israel... Cameron and his pathetic government need to be put on trial for supporting war crimes. Not just this event, but Syria,Libya and many other recent events.

Think about it. I don't know how anyone can support a tory government, especially this tory government with the bunch of goons that are apart of it now.


Fed up with it. I'm not usually a person to put honour in the flag of my country and all that rubbish, but the fact is, these morons in this unelected government are destroying all and every bit of integrity left in the UK (if we had any to begin with...).

Much as i disagree with their support of Israel its a bit rich to go on about the Tories given Blair's escapades.

You can also drop the "unelected" government as well. Even the Tories earned a higher share of the vote in 2010 than Labour did in 2005, adding in the Lib Dem votes makes it well over 50% of the popular vote.

Personally, I'd abolish party politics entirely but if you're going to make a point, do so on the basis of facts, not misinformed nonsense!

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by mr-lizard

 

You speak for yourself only. You do not speak for the rest of the UK or USA or any other nation so drop the idiocy. Hamas is a violent terrorist group bent on destruction. Israel has every right to defend themselves. I would judge Israel if they did not defend themselves.
By the way, UK, USA, and Canada have already given their support for Israel so you spoke out of place.

a handful of corrupt (& bought for) govt officials in Canada have offered support of Israel.

Not all the canadian people support this massacre.

reply to post by cody599


Back in the late 1940's, were Palestinians using mosques and hiding behind children when the Zionist movement went through and cleansed Palestine? Everything Gaza is giving Israel is nothing compared to what was given to them back in the day. Its sort of like a bit of your own medicine.

But since you served for the Zionists and have lived in Israel, why is it so important that no-one from the outside world can get into Gaza to the point the IDF will kill? How is Iranian influence getting into Gaza knowing that the only way they can Enter is through Egypt? Are Israel suggesting Egypt are harbouring terrorists also?

Shall we gather the lawnchairs and popcorn when the nukes start flying?

I can't believe all this is happening...The Palestinian Authority is trying to make right, but Hamas is kind of ruining it for them.

But on the otherhand, Israel has always been the thorn in the Middle East's finger and about time they get some tweezers and pull it out.

I would expect Canada to be wise about supporting Israel, seeing how the Brits started it (Balfour Treaty) and the US raised them (World War II, Holocaust, the various wars thereafter)

reply to post by flice

That is no longer the point.....

The point is.... W H Y meddle at all. Why take part in this on either side?
There's no justification to this..

Now I'll tell you what... As much as I grow tired of some being 100% singular in focus to the wrong of just one side of this fight, your words there are really the BEST solution and I believe it would be the best for even the Israelis in the long run.

I'd love to see us, that is America, out of that region in anything but the international trade and commerce that every other nation is engaged in there. Of course Israel and the Arabs would have a fight as soon as everyone was 100% sure the U.S. really meant it about staying out of everyone's fight.

Whatever else I may think about the situation, IF they could have that fight without outside giants making it a world war, it really is what needs to happen and I think we all know that on some level. Arabs won't stop until they win or are defeated without outsiders in the middle of it....and Israel won't back down 1 inch until they win or are defeated in the same way.

So...if the idea is simply to say Egypt, Saudi, Jordan, Israel, Iraq and the rest have to learn to live without U.S. Aid OR the meddling that always comes with it, I'm completely on-board with it. We can watch the fight on TV from many thousands of miles away and make new trade agreements with whoever comes out on top. You're right in saying it's none of our business either way though.

(Of course, that's all so logical it'll never really happen...however many normal people want nothing more.)

I'd also found this graphic on the IDF site. The media has always talked about how the Gaza Strip does get plenty across the Israeli border crossings and the Israeli port is open for shipping subject to inspection for weapons on cargo into Gaza. I guess it's how they keep their big shopping mall well stocked. Anyway, I hadn't seen any actual numbers before and naturally, they keep those records as much as the U.S. keeps it for trucks crossing our borders

(Israeli Infographic Removed after learning of a 'game' related to their being spread....Numbers were accurate as near as I can determine elsewhere for over 900 truckloads into Gaza for one part of October. Supply types were varied and numerous.)

The idea that Gaza is cut off from outside material is absurd. They just aren't allowed to take in unchecked cargo of any size for the very reason Israelis have been using bomb shelters the last few days. Weapons not only seem to find their way in, by LARGE numbers as it is...they get used. Frequently.

Remember too, in land mass, the Gaza Strip in almost equal to Bakersfield, California with a population of 1.6 million and a GDP over 6 billion US dollars. They're cut off from unrestricted delivery, but 1.6 million are consuming and plenty rolls on through by the look of that. Hmmm... The summer numbers were 1200 - 1400 truckloads for a given period.


*** I can't remove the Infographics from my first post (time issue short of breaking links the hard way, and the data seems valid) and while the numbers are accurate to the best of know own knowledge by other sources, I'll just have to go on my word and past history here in stating that I had no idea the IDF were running some 'facebook' type badge game for distribution of their Info-graphics. Even that shouldn't matter, but the mere appearance of showing what I call valid data for some cheesy game is enough so I won't be using anything they produce again until that "game" is removed.

Sorry all... I honestly didn't know. (ATS Thread outlining this "game")

Harry Fear's latest tweets:

Edit to add 2 new tweets: 5 min ago: I have been locked down. I cannot leave my building in Gaza City. I am without electricity and Internet.

2 min: Just now I tried to leave my apartment for Press TV's studio for a live interview. As soon as I was outside something exploded in my str ...(does not finish sentence, another tweet may be coming)


48 min ago: Three explosions in less than half a minute were audible in the West of Gaza City a few minutes ago. Drones continue.

1 hr : We are still dark here. All quiet in West Gaza City save the drones and wild dogs fighting.

1 hr: No electricity, internet, light. Drones low overhead in West Gaza City by the coastline.

1 hr: Cellular network down in Gaza City for 10 minutes. Internet intermittent. No where is safe in Gaza tonight.

3 new tweets from Harry Fear:

5 min ago: 2 more explosions in Gaza City heard in the last minute. F16s overhead. I feel evil is invading Gaza.

14 m: Big explosions, whose blasts are affecting our building right now. Explosion super close to me; shuddering here. Car alarms. I am sure a ..

20 m: God help us and protect us from the Israeli insanity. Nowhere is safe in Gaza tonight. My stream is off as we have no electricity or int ...

reply to post by curiouscanadian777


well the war between Israel and Phalestean is inevitable, i have been hearing about this war since i was kid, and there has been a cold war between both the states since from forever,but i don,t believe any thing which was posted on twitter, just yesterday i saw a tweet, that Justin Bieber have been diagnosed with cancer, which is a lie, people started to go ''Bald for Bierber'', so bottom line, need more data or proof or links, any way nice thread

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


What can't cross Gazan land......

comes under ground!

While do you think their vast tunnelling network has been so successful?

for those of you who think Israel is behaving criminally in this case, by attacking people who are lobbing rockets at them indiscriminately, here is an idea. why don't you sit in a building while a bunch of people start shooting missile after missile and groups of missiles at you. you can even have a missile defense system. now just sit back nice and comfy and remember the missile defense system only has to FAIL you ONCE and you are toast. not to mention that even when it works there is a physics law which will be obeyed, that is "what goes up must come down" gravity works and can't shut it off. even a DESTROYED missile can still kill you as its parts rain down. but just think happy thoughts i'm sure you will come out phisicaly fine afterwords, mentally on the other hand is a toss up after being bombarded continually, it's called shell-shock

as for the fact poor innocent Palistinians are being killed and severely injured. just bear in mind who's fault that really is. if the terrorist hamas did not hide like cowards in civilian areas, and fire their weapons from these areas then Israel would not HAVE to do this. the FAULT for ALL CIVILIAN CASUALTIES lies fully on the HAMAS TERRORIST organization, no one else.

Israel has every RIGHT to protect themselves from these terrorists. it is either defend themselves or just tamely stand in place and be killed. sadly there is no chance for peace when a group of fanatics take every opertunity to kill. until hamas and those that support them are finally dealt with then THERE IS NO HOPE FOR PEACE. as for the "innocent" civilians hurt and maimed, when is the last time there was a Palistinian uprising against hamas? a time when the Palisinans took maters into their own hands to deal with THEIR criminal element, never heard about one yet. so yes they may be innocent but they have done nothing to help stop the problem and therefore by not doing anything to stop the problem they are supporting it.

Here are some groups of pictures, from links I found on twitter. Most are of the global protests happening, a few are graphic and disturbing war pictures, which I'd rather not see or post, though I suppose we should see what our tax dollars and tacit support is buying...


www.rightnow.io...


www.rightnow.io...


Also, here is a video of a protest in Tel Aviv calling for a ceasefire, and a crowd in support of the attack across the street.

"Protesting Israel's Attack on Gaza - Tel Aviv" youtu.be...

"When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing... You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense."

~ Noam Chomsky