Question about "Higher Frequencies" or "Vibrational Density"

Ok, so one of the most common models amongst fringe thinkers involves some formulation of "higher frequency reality". They may be talking about astral bodies or 2012 Grand Transitions or any number of, let's be frank, weirdo models of reality.

Now, I am well versed in physics, mathematics, psychology, and western esoteric mystical traditions, as well as plain ol' shamantic traditions from all over, and I've never heard a SINGLE reasonable answer to the following question:

A higher frequency of WHAT?

Frequency is the measure of how often a wave's peak (or trough) passes by a given observational perspective in a given amount of time. So when people talk about their astral body being at a "higher frequency", to what wave are they referring? At best, such things are purely informational constructs (at worst, mostly or wholely imaginary). What is supposed to be waving at a higher frequency? And don't say "Energy!". Energy is a relationship, not a thing. It's not like a tank of gas, where you have so much of it and it's a thing, and you can measure it. The only physically meaningful way to address 'energy' is to talk about _differences_ in energy between two things/events/places. (Want proof? What's your kinetic energy right now? Did you account for the Earth's rotation, revolution, galatic rotation, and universal expansion?) Relativity brings this into stark relief. Saying "a higher frequency of energy" is EXACTLY the same as saying "a higher frequency of Up or of Left". Things have energies (measured relative to local ground) and frequencies, but energy is NOT a thing - it's a property of things.

When people talk about the earth moving into a new space, energetically, and how everything is ramping up its vibrational frequency, to what physical property are they referring? It's certainly not anything from quantum mechanics, since our electronics still work and Schroedinger's Equation still holds true.

Is this a case of ignorant people co-opting the well-defined language describing physical reality to express a metaphor while hiding its essential metaphorical nature, or are they referring to something real that they are just bad at talking about, or are they speaking well about a basic fundamental physical property of which I am unaware? If it's the later, what is the nature of this property and how is it measured? My gut instinct is to think "These people are morons who don't know what the words they use actually mean" but I'm far too open-minded to let it just sit there.

So, please, people who think in terms of vibes: What, precisely, is vibing?

Ha ha. Love it. That is essentially what I was asking in this thread here. If there's a heaven, WHERE is it? Physicists can't seem to find it, so WHERE is this higher-vibration place?

reply to post by schuyler


Actually, the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics gives a VERY good answer to the question of "Where's Heaven/Hell?". Answer: Right here. It's just a different correlative state of the universal quantum wave function. (It makes a lot more sense in math than it does in english.) Or, you can take the holgraphic universe perspective and say that "heaven is a non-local correlative state in the universe's informational causal domains".

But it's a different question than the one I'm asking.

If our vibrational frequency changes either way, we change shape and a bunch of different chemistry and biological functions change. Lower the frequency and we start to get fatter, storing the energy instead of using it. If you exceed the speed limit imposed by an individuals brain with relation to frequency, then the person makes mistakes and gets spacy and excited about things they shouldn't. I see lots of that here.

Now as to trying to find this higher frequency, it is possible to find the perfect frequency where a person thinks well and is relaxed and can heal well. Finding that place will make a person enjoy life to it's fullest without having to try to fit into society. They will be content and confident without being overconfident which results in problems of it's own. Being satisfied with just living and enjoying this dream of a world is great. I haven't got all the way there yet, I try to make myself enjoy life and I feel good about helping others learn. Life is the best teacher, something rarely taught in school. Someday I will graduate and where I go from there isn't important, if I feel I did good here, I will take that feeling with me. It doesn't matter if there is a heaven after this, I want to make this life count.

reply to post by rickymouse


But you didn't actually even ATTEMPT to answer my question, and, in fact, typified the ideas I'm asking about.

A HIGHER. FREQUENCY. OF *WHAT*?

If you can't answer that question, STOP USING THE WORD. Just stop. You say a higher frequency will change our biological nature. But a higher frequency of WHAT?

reply to post by Stunspot


frequency stipulates what we perceive. whether it is classified as sound, heat, light, or anything else that is used by life, it is all the same but different. The word is a frequency which is both heard and felt. If you have the right equipment and lenses you can see the sound. It is all part of one thing, a sort of communication of the universe.

You can make sound into peaks and troughs if you want or you can listen to it. You can feel what the sound is portraying. Same with light, if you think of it as waves, then you will not appreciate the feel of the sun on your cheeks. Don't try to make science out of life, life is way more advanced than science.

I have often wondered about this point but felt wayyyy too stupid to actually ask ! I recall reading copious amounts of literature on the universal laws, law of polarity law of attraction etc and all refer to vibrational frequencies and higher frequencies. In particular, I remember in reference to the law of attraction it states that if you want to attract more wealth into your life you should vibrate on the same frequency as money. I never have understood that. Just what frequency does money vibrate at? And how to I know what frequency i am actually vibrating at in the first place? lol All seems very odd to lil old moi

But if anyone knows the vibrational frequency of cash please feel free to let me know

Originally posted by Stunspot
reply to post by schuyler

 

Actually, the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics gives a VERY good answer to the question of "Where's Heaven/Hell?". Answer: Right here. It's just a different correlative state of the universal quantum wave function. (It makes a lot more sense in math than it does in english.) Or, you can take the holgraphic universe perspective and say that "heaven is a non-local correlative state in the universe's informational causal domains".

But it's a different question than the one I'm asking.

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The problem with that is that the other worlds all obey the same physics, and so Heaven and Hell work exactly the same, which isn't exactly the point of them, is it?

I believe it was used by the early spiritualists (Fox sisters) to make there new religion seem more credible. Science was linking together the electro-magnetic spectrum which was shown as a wave length or vibration/oscillation, the early spiritualists used this as a way of explaining spirits. They summized that the soul/spirit was like the E M spectrum and that after death you moved into a higher vibration or plain depending on how good/evil you were.

a higher frequency of thought.....
or 'counsciousnes' if you prefer that term.

Let me use an example from Ham Radio here, If I may. If I am having a conversation with another Ham on 14.175Mhz, that includes a certain bandwidth to either side of the exact frequency, those outside that bandwidth cannot hear me. The further you get away, to either side of that exact frequency, the fuzzier the communication becomes until it goes away. Look at brain waves...they are called alpha, beta, delpha, and theta, but they are really measured by their frequency. Frequencies are relative, but you're either on or near a frequency or you're not. FMRIs and PET scans has proven that different areas of the brain light up when they are used by a subject, and I would just about guarantee these would be a different frequencies depending on the area of use.

Look at the Sun. Its light and heat energies are measured not just by voume, but by freqeuncy. When you measure amplitude, you are inferring that frequency can be measured, in order to understand what the amplitude is over time, and over what frequencies. Edgar Cayce once asked his hosts one time why things like date and time often came out fuzzy. Their answer was that since their natural energies were on a higher frequency, it was hard for them to down convert to our frequency without losing the exact frequency Cayce was on. It's like having to re-tune a radio occasionally.

Originally posted by GypsK
a higher frequency of thought.....
or 'counsciousnes' if you prefer that term.

What is this even supposed to mean? Can you explain how frequency could be applied consciousness?

Let's remember that the entire body, including the brain, runs on electric current. That's what minerals are for. They act as conductors for the propagation for this current. The brain produces 25-50 watts a day by itself. Anything that produces power does so on a specific frequency.

Originally posted by Stunspot
reply to post by rickymouse

 

But you didn't actually even ATTEMPT to answer my question, and, in fact, typified the ideas I'm asking about.

A HIGHER. FREQUENCY. OF *WHAT*?

If you can't answer that question, STOP USING THE WORD. Just stop. You say a higher frequency will change our biological nature. But a higher frequency of WHAT?

Exactly!

Frequency is equal to cycles of something per second.

When you graph something out as amplitude or strength versus time, then one cycle occurs when the strength of whatever it is your graphing gets as strong as it's going to get then gets as weak as it's going to get and then as strong as it's going to get again. So, you have to have something that you're measuring for it to have a frequency. How do you graph the strength of consciousness as it gets strong, then weak, then strong again? Does consciousness getting strong then weak then strong again faster mean you are "smarter?" That would put it at a higher frequency. (note: it doesn't have to be strength it could be any measure of things that varies with time; such as displacement).

Not everything that generates "power" has a frequency; direct current is always the same strength.

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

Originally posted by GypsK
a higher frequency of thought.....
or 'counsciousnes' if you prefer that term.

What is this even supposed to mean? Can you explain how frequency could be applied consciousness?

You can if you believe that consciousness stems from the quantum world, where everything is essentially just energy fluctuations.



In answer to the OP, the specific 'energy' that is somewhat relate to 'chi' energy. I'm sure your familiar with its definition. Negative chi vibrates at a low frequency, it is associated with death, sickness etc and is also the energetic level which lower life forms which facilitate these experiences in humans such as viruses and bacteria. Higher lifeforms (the highest being humans) operate on a higher energetic level. It is also associated with negative emotions and as such is a possible explanation for such phenomena as the placebo effect.

This idea of a universal energy can also be tied in with various occult phenomena such as the concept of 'Correspondences' as popularised by Crowely and taken further through the concept of 'like attracts like'. Taking this idea even further in a holographic universe type way where everything in the universe is entangled this view of energy can be tied into light energy, sound energy etc and used to infer various things such as crystals, sounds etc can enhance this energy as it flows through the bodies energetic centres known as chakras.

Ultimately when broken down to its fundamental levels everything is merely energy fluctuations. It makes logical sense that ultimately there is merely one type of energy, maybe this universal chi energy is that energy which exists at level to subtle to be measures by today scientific instruments. All we see is the consequences of this universal energy existing aka the universe as we know it.


Questions?

My understanding of higher frequencies is that if you are in a higher frequency range then you are either happy, loving, or otherwise doing good. If you're in a lower vibrational range then you're just the opposite. But i wonder the same thing as you........ good question

The atoms we are made of run on a specific frequency meaning in a certain universe. They exist in other universes too. We are only aware of one universe, but since our atoms are multiversal, we are unconsciously multiversal. We just don't realize it. Even if we do, we are generally stuck to this universe like flies on sticky paper. We are lead to believe that any change that is too rapid, whether good or bad, is all bad. When, infact, this is simply not true. There are limits though. Not to the brain though. There are limits to what we attain from this universe. If we consistently follow the typical pattern of humanity, we will never be beings that can also experience other universes. It's easier said than done. Experiencing another universe if even for a few hours are in a very remote set of possibilities. Creating the technology that can help allow us to deal with past traumatic memories and even experience other universes is nearly impossible. They will try to stop it and keep us dependant on the system.