Chips being installed already?

Originally posted by VoidHawk
Then on every street corner there'll be a lottle box that reads the chip evey time you walk past.

You've got the little box in your pocket. It's a cell phone. You use it voluntarily, heck, you even keep it maintained and updated for them, and pay for the privilege.

Originally posted by BrieBird
And so it begins

My teenage son came home from school last week telling me about how awesome the new medichip will be, no more money, being able to track criminals, being able to find abducted children, having all your information in one spot, and just overall convienance it will bring to modern society. Wow!! I couldn't believe it!

You SHOULDN'T believe it. No more money - maybe. Track criminals, no, find abducted children, no, have all your information in one spot, no, unless the serial/ID number is what you're referring to.

Originally posted by MonkeyFishFrog
Beyond the simple fact that none of these chips will ever be 100% secure or unhackable? Would you really trust all your personal information, details and finances to a piece of technology that could be stolen anywhere, anytime all without your knowledge?

As Morbo would say, that's not how RFID works.

Your personal info, details, and finances are not in there. Nor does it make sense to put them in there, no matter how much Revelationists try to hammer the thing to fit their mythos.

Originally posted by intrptr
Aren't these chips like only detectable for a few feet?

A few cm.

Unless you're really going all out to read it, using custom exciters and DSP correlation, in which case you can get nearly 20 inches.

Originally posted by Unity_99

Cancer, all their studies show it causes that.

There were maybe three cases in dogs linked, but not proven, to have caused cancer. Maybe.

MIND CONTROL.

Balderdash.

Originally posted by SPECULUM
All US passports have RFID chips and all cellphones, and all new computers,and all new cars, and all,ETC,ETC,ETC.
if you don't think they are everywhere, you are sadly mistaken.

Passports, yep.
Cellphones: no.
New computers: no.
New cars: no.
etc etc etc: rarely

They are not everywhere, and I am not mistaken.

Originally posted by tetra50
Let's say we accept there is mind control, via ELF magnetic manipulation and Silent Sound Spectrum, etc. Let's say we accept this vibrational tech affects your biology, and therefore, among other things, health.....well being. We know already, if we accept the existence of it, the affect on your mind, mental proccesses and functions, right? Go with me here, please.

The problem is, your thesis is wrong. You ought NOT accept the existence of it, unless you have some actual proof, and by that I don't mean you looked it up in bibliotecylapades or educate yourself.

A good screen for woo is the use of "fields", "frequencies" or "vibrations". Also, that the things you read are published in something other than metaphysics journals.

I don't care what external devices these chips are in, but they will never put one in my body.

BTW, I responded to another thread about chips, AND this one, but my post in this thread completely disappeared.

I wonder why...

Censor much, ATS?!

Originally posted by Tha Girl They Call Roc
I don't care what external devices these chips are in, but they will never put one in my body.

As the next few years pass, expect that it won't matter anyway, we can get clean iris prints from anyone from 20-30 meters now, using COTS cameras - nothing special about them.

All the RFID implant was for was to identify you. Now They® don't even need that.

reply to post by Bedlam


Good.
But...

Why would anyone go to such lengths to know about lil' ol' me, anyway?

Most people I know don't do anything, so why would all these people need to be tracked?

Why waste money watching people? That's just stupid.

reply to post by Tha Girl They Call Roc


Well, it's one of those weird quirks of any bureaucracy. They loooooove keeping track of things. There are lots of military and government projects that just accumulate behavioral data. They don't really care so much that you get gasoline HERE, or buy super tampons from the Publix, or only drink Pepsi.

But if you suddenly change those behaviors, it tells them something. You'd be surprised how much about you they can scrape from apparently innocent data.

reply to post by Bedlam


It's sad money would be wasted on watching behavioral patterns instead of being used to...oh, I don't know, say...make the world a BETTER place by implementing new earth-friendly technology...ways to make things better, instead of worse...

Call me crazy...lol

reply to post by Bedlam


They sell Green , Globalism , Sustainable development , Islam the study of, practice, praying ,dressing and taking of an Islamic name , then abnormal sex and disrespect for parents . The NWO has been at it for many years but now they are into educating the children to their way of thinking . As their parents you are old school . Back in 68 they made us take a course that taught the pupils to disrespect their parents . Then came a 25 year old man who never raised kids named Dr. Spock . How did he get such noteriety? What experience did he have ? He served a purpose for the destruction of the home .

This is not about tracking or medical records or even finding lost or abducted children, This is about "CONTROL" and the sooner we all realize this and wake up, the sooner "THEY" will figure out they aren't working with a bunch of sheep, and we just might be a little smarter then originally presumed.

The day they start force implanting is the day I'll know we've lost what little bit of freedom we still have and the NWO has truly started and I for one won't be in attendance with my shirt sleeve rolled up and waiting!

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by intrptr
Aren't these chips like only detectable for a few feet?

A few cm.

Unless you're really going all out to read it, using custom exciters and DSP correlation, in which case you can get nearly 20 inches.

A bit more than that. Passing through a doorway or "choke point" is sufficient. This could be several meters. Like a grocery store, bank or ballgame. Current technology...

www.cisco.com...

I don`t know anyone who has personally recieved a chip,yet globally we are being conditioned to accept this type of technology and as in the OP of this thread one of the best ways is to start with conditioning the kids and parents.

For safety Masonchip

There`s a few good vids on this page about the topic of RFID etc (mark of the beast) that Ive just recently found...HERE

With their update pages HERE

In Australia our major big 4 banks are about to introduce finger printing and eye scans,which as they say is backed by the majority of customers.A recent news article that I made a thread about.. www.abovetopsecret.com...

1.2 billion Indians are being put on the biggest biotech data base in the world,eye scans and finger printed...


Its for these reasons I believe rougue countries are being targeted more and more,so that eventually they (TPTB) will install leaders that are controlled to play along,where as, we will all be globally under one system and forced to recieve the chip (mark).

It will come down to, those who refuse will be thought of as criminals on the run,extremists,terrorists etc

My thoughts go out to those who have young children,when that decision has to be made to get the mark on your body, so that you can still buy and sell and provide and shelter them.

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by VoidHawk
Then on every street corner there'll be a lottle box that reads the chip evey time you walk past.

You've got the little box in your pocket. It's a cell phone. You use it voluntarily, heck, you even keep it maintained and updated for them, and pay for the privilege.

I DONT have a smart phone, but I agree, the cell phone I use does track me, thats why I often switch it off, especialy when I go into large stores etc. Do you know that they now detect your phone when you enter large stores to track your movement within the store?

With the phone I have a choice, I can switch it off, with a chip I wont have that choice.

Originally posted by intrptr

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by intrptr
Aren't these chips like only detectable for a few feet?

A few cm.

Unless you're really going all out to read it, using custom exciters and DSP correlation, in which case you can get nearly 20 inches.

A bit more than that. Passing through a doorway or "choke point" is sufficient. This could be several meters. Like a grocery store, bank or ballgame. Current technology...

www.cisco.com...

Your cite tells you what you need to know, though - the ones with several meters range are e-field tags using backscatter modulation (they use the term far field). Implants are NEVER e-field tags - they're always h-field or "near field" as your cite states, with ranges of "a few inches":

Limitations that exist with regard to the use of such low frequencies include the necessity to use larger antennas, low data rate and bandwidth and a rather dramatic decay in the strength of the electromagnetic field (1/r6), where r represents the distance between a low frequency interrogator and a passive RFID tag.

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Because of their dependence on external reader energy fields and their low reflected power output, passive RFID tags have a much shorter read range (from a few inches for tags using load modulation up to a few meters for those using backscatter modulation) as well as lower read reliability when compared to active RFID tags.

Note this 1/r^6 thing, as I've stated in other threads, NFC return signals fall off as the sixth power of the distance. That's AWFUL. Combined with you having to pick out the tiny tiny return modulation from the output power of the interrogator, which is ALSO falling off as the sixth power of the distance from the tag's point of view, distance becomes a real issue.

So, no, you can't read implants at a large distance, although if you CAN contrive to get them to walk through a doorway into which you've installed a loop, you can get a few more inches of read distance. You'll also note that the pictures of parts in your cite included large loop antennas for the parts, you can't do that in an implant, so there's an aperture issue as well.

reply to post by Bedlam

I get what you said about implants (which are tiny) don't have the range of other kinds of tags. And the thread is about implants. Just wanted to show that there are tags that can be read from a distance. In the case of the cisco link, multiple tags can be read at once passing between a pair of readers.

large stationary models capable of reading many tags simultaneously as they pass (shown in the center of Figure 6-2).

www.cisco.com...

That is a pallet jack with multiple tags on it. Tags in driver licenses, atm and credit cards, clothing, cell phones all are already out there, as well as on the other items you buy like food stuffs, electronics and what not. The technology is improving all the time. You may want to assert that they don't have this tracking ability yet, and maybe they don't... yet.

reply to post by intrptr


I think you're failing to distinguish between types of tags, which is pretty common.

Implants are always near field. Near field tags have distance limits imposed by physics. The confusion likely comes from not making a distinction between e-field and h-field tags.

The types of tags you are discussing - the ones on pallets, for example, and ones that have collision avoidance algorithms like ALOHA so that you can scan multiple tags at once - are e-field (AKA far field or radio tags). Those don't work in implants.

edit to add: cell phones don't have tags. I'm not sure where that ever got started. Credit cards, ATM cards, and passports are generally h-field tags. Drivers' licenses and PASS cards are e-field tags.