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Some phenomena are so rare and so little is known about them that they are always UFO's. The most common is the disc following the airplane. I've never heard an explanation for this phenomenon but it exists and I've seen it on three occasions. Maybe a dense blob of air tears off the airplane, floats along behind, and reflects the sunlight. Whatever it is, it gives the illusion of a saucer "chasing" an airplane. Sometimes it's steady and sometimes it darts back and forth. It only stays in view a few seconds and when it disappears it fades and looks for all the world as if it's suddenly streaking away into the distance.
The Report on UFOs, 2nd edition, 1960, pp. 271-272
"I've never heard an explanation for this phenomenon but it exists and I've seen it on three occasions. Maybe a dense blob of air tears off the airplane, floats along behind, and reflects the sunlight. Whatever it is, it gives the illusion of a saucer "chasing" an airplane."
-Edward J. Ruppelt.
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Originally posted by zooplancton
thanks for sharing this. I love collecting these dearchived tid bit. it shows there indeed was and is a UFO program within the government.
He states he was the first UFO officer in the Air Force, eh? Fascinating
They just don't make guys with this nearly fanatical focus on science anymore, do they? Air blobs 'tearing' off the plane? Reflecting sunlight? I wonder how he tries to explain Vogt's purple one, at night, for an hour.
However for it to be coherent and localized for over an hour means it would have to be a result from the exhaust from the twin radial engine. Though with a service ceiling of 26,000 feet it's a stretch. Not impossible, but why would it only occur on one side? More questions than answers. As usual.
You know, its funny, I was left with the impression, even after several readings, that the thing jumped from right to left. Vogt starts off by saying that his attention is called to a light pacing at 'the wing' of the aircraft. Then he says it veers off and then paces the left wing. Because he does not begin by saying that the light is on the 'right', there is no way for us to know, but I am repeatedly left with the impression that that is what he meant.
I thought about that alot, and for some reason, the light jumping to the same location from right to left leaves me with the impression that it may, indeed, be an artifact of flight dynamics that we do not understand. It would be interesting to discover if the plane-pacing-discs are generally brighter during the day and darker (purple?) at night.
Pretty heady food for thought, because I tend to trust the old-timers insistence that the thing's origins are mundane. Doesn't it almost always turn out to be so?
All things are mundane once we understand them.
Originally posted by Xoanon
reply to post by Xtraeme
All things are mundane once we understand them.
You betcha. I am wondering now if the aircraft, under certain conditions, forms an envelope of sorts around itself, and if the periphery of this envelope doesn't have some sort of 'lensing' effect. And maybe as the bird shifts slightly, under these unknown conditions, it gives the appearance that the light is going from one side to another.
Hrm.
That's something that should be testable in a lab. Put a bird in a wind-tunnel, a 93 lumen omni-light source off in the distance, load the thing up with cameras and then see what happens. I can't imagine it would be just a human perceptual issue. Heck I can think of several journals that would publish such a study.
When they were in front of us, the ships were positioned slightly higher in altitude than we were, but now they placed themselves slightly below the horizon where it was most difficult for us to see. The distance between us was still about seven miles to eight miles visually. When we started to see Ft. Yukon diagonally below us at the right, the sun was setting down in the Southwest, painting the sky in a slightly red stripe, approximately two to three millimeters and gave a bit of light but the east side was still pitch dark. Far in front of us there were lights increasing from the U.S. Military Eielson Air Force Base and Fairbanks. The lights were still following us at exactly the same distance; however, it was too dark to identify by only the lights whether or not they were the same two spaceships that appeared in front of us a few minutes ago. It seemed that we were flying in the lighter side and gave them the advantage of being on the dark side.
I also can't help, when reading stories such as Vogt's and those of other pilots, thinking of Trevor James Constable's Critters. Could there be some life form in the upper atmosphere that gets curious about our aircraft, that we don't yet know about and understand? It really does nibble at the back of my mind when this sort of thing comes up. If that were the case, somehow, then it would be simultaneously very mundane, and very, very weird.
However if I was to speculate, there could be a "space bacterium" of sorts in far off nebulae using metabolic pathways to convert arsenic and/or selenium (found in interstellar gas) into organic compounds using energy from sunlight. Somewhat similar, perhaps, to photosynthesis in plants. Granted the creature would have to be pretty darn UV resistant. [Though] Arthrobacter's UV survival index was found to be comparable to those of Bacillus pumilus spores! So, hey, it's possible.
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I'm sure the universe has all sorts of crazy things in store for us.
All fun ideas. Thanks for making the thread more lively.
Originally posted by zooplancton
thanks for sharing this. I love collecting these dearchived tid bit. it shows there indeed was and is a UFO program within the government.
Originally posted by Xtraeme
For now, though, I want to share three documents that recently became available through the US FOIA system.
Originally posted by OpenSource
Im interested in how someone finds these declassified documents. is the US FOIA system, completely public, like accessing though a webpage. or do you have to jump through hoops to get a hold of tens of thousands of pages and read through them all lol.
Great thread, ill be keeping a eye on it.edit on 12-11-2012 by OpenSource because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by airforce47
This could very well be but I knew the General while he was Commander of AAFCE/USAFE from June 1974 until he retired. His USAF biography makes no mention of an assignment as an intel officer. www.af.mil... The General was not a big man but he was direct and forceful. I did see his compassionate side one time. As an Air Force Photographer I took many pictures of him and had some time to observe him as he was a good commander. My best,edit on 12-11-2012 by airforce47 because: word error.