Giant sonic boom felt and heard in Indianapolis Indiana(meteor? mass devastation Info blocade

Originally posted by severdsoul
reply to post by delusion

 

shoot, that was back on page 10 or some where in there, its a video,
all black sound only, you can hear 2 explosions about 2 seconds or
so apart.
It would take some digging to find it, it was mostly looked over at the
time because we were looking for video or photo's and there was
nothing but black lights and a few lights as the guy ran.

oh thanks, I haven't been watching videos due to mobile internet, but maybe I can spare a few megabytes.
People have reported feeling the blast wave, then hearing the explosion. Is this different to that?
(nevermind, I'll find out myself).

reply to post by severdsoul


it can be an echo traveling down the side streets.

Originally posted by ChesterJohn

someone said there was a small crater is that true?

I couldn't see it, the first proposed outline of a crater from the nighttime pics looked like a line drawn above the ground, the one outlined in the daytime pic focuses on a different coloured patch of wreckage and could be one, but my eyes can't make it out. Have to wait for a shot after the clean up to tell for sure.

reply to post by delusion

still looking , may be morning before i find it. gota nap some time.

Its possible it could of been the shock wave the camera recorded,
but from what i was hearing it was a second blast, sounded just like
the first but not as strong.

There is one with a gal screaming, and a guy talking, but thats not it.
Its another video with just a guy, think he was walking down the street
filming and caught it...

its only one explosion.. the video clearly states that it's REPLAYING the original again... it's on page 53

reply to post by Honor93


because the gas company only can check the MAIN lines... not the furnace that was blown to smithereens... which is most very likely the case.. have you ever checked out how a furnace or a gas appliance works... oy vey

from page 44

Originally posted by azoth88



I find it strange that the explosion went off at EXACTLY 11:10 PM

page 9

Originally posted by Maskander
here;s a video of some kids walking down the street, you can hear the explosion

the shockwave was massive, it sounded like something slamming not exploding. any input?

edit on 11-11-2012 by Maskander because: (no reason given)

And this post I thought was worth repeating, on the viability of big-ass explosions made of gas...

Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by IamAbeliever

 

Gas "explosions" are a tricky thing. You need the EXACT fuel air mixture for detonation to occur, I can't bring myself to do the math, and if anyone is handy with it they can tell you better but roughly 5%( I haven't figured out the exact figure, and I'm kind of paranoid looking up the exact ratio online) of the total volume of the house needs to be natural gas, which isn't very much. Then all it needs is a spark. Combustion, will still produce what we view as an explosion but the difference is the aftermath.

If you have the right mixture, you have a blast that will exceed any other conventional explosive..

I understand they disperse liquid in this case, but the concept is the same.

Combustion = slow moving burn which can produce an "explosion"
Detonation, is very different.

So yes, you may have witnessed gas "explosions" that didn't seem that big, but believe me fuel air blasts can produce ENORMOUS explosions, with an enormous blast/shock wave doing tremendous damage and would likely be heard for a long way off.

It's quite a good thread in the beginning, when things were fresh. I guess there's not much left but to speculate and wait for facts that come in more sporadically.
That post that linked the dating site on the dude that's dating the ex-wife was pretty interesting. Sounds pretty dodgy.

Originally posted by Momof5
So, I found this last night and can't help but wonder why it is that no one else has mentioned and/or noticed this. Moncy Shirley (i.e.: R. Monserrate Shirley/Roman) was apparently dating a man named Mark Ray Leonard. A simple google search shows numerous recent arrests. He had been living with her at that house until recently when they moved out as the house was FSBO. However, there are ZERO listings for the home online. Yet, when you see this post about Mark and his buddy Dave Gill, it makes me wonder about the two men seen leaving the house earlier in the day. The fact Dave has been promising the women giving him money that he is getting an insurance settlement in the near future seems to lend further credence to this theory. I will be interested to see if their names appear in the news anytime soon.

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Edit - got the right quote.

Originally posted by gnosticagnostic
reply to post by Honor93

 

because the gas company only can check the MAIN lines... not the furnace that was blown to smithereens... which is most very likely the case.. have you ever checked out how a furnace or a gas appliance works... oy vey

obfuscating the point doesn't change it.
excuse you but the gas company checks interior lines ALL THE TIME, as a matter of fact, they even install them

there was no evidence of a gas leak.
a furnace malfunction, sure, but not a gas leak eminating from the furnace leading to this explosion.

to your silly question, yes, i've repaired a few.

ETA: for the record, i do find the common "repair" of furnaces between both explosions (prior one 2 counties away around the 6th) slightly more than coincidental but it proves nothing.

reply to post by Honor93


lmao they come check the interior lines all the time.. no that dude is reading the meter to see how much to charge you... they will come and turn your gas off.. they will come check your lines if you report a problem... unless they detect a problem in the system they don't come around and check your interior lines... and if the pilot light is out on a furnace and the gas is still on.. what happens? eh... it's not a line leak is it? durt,

Originally posted by diesel_actual

Originally posted by HIWATT
reply to post by Trexter Ziam

 

Actually my comments to your post WERE directed at "them" as I DID read your links.

My responses, therefore, were not really to you, but rather with regards to the information you linked - which i still maintain - is utterly ridiculous.

Now it's not 30 homes but 100+ that need to be demolished?

FFS... are people blind? LOOK AT THE PHOTOS!

MAYBE 10 houses total that seem like they suffered some residual damage????

100..... LOL....... thay may as well just try and convince everyone that the whole damn state needs to be rebuilt

"More than 200 residents were evacuated from their homes. Some two dozen homes were damaged by the blast.

"We're going to use every resource to help individuals get their lives back," said Public Safety Director Troy Riggs during a press conference Sunday afternoon.


Of the 80 homes affected, 31 suffered major damage. Five of those homes will require demolition and 26 have been temporarily deemed uninhabitable.

Officials have sorted homes into three categories: 1) homes that folks can occupy, 2) homes that are structurally questionable and 3) homes unsafe for anyone to enter.

Engineers have inspected all 126 homes in the affected neighborhood. Firefighters have escorted some homeowners to get items out of some homes. "

So to summarize:

24 houses "damaged"

80 houses "affected"

31 houses with "major damage"

Yup. Clear as mud!

Originally posted by Maskander

Originally posted by HIWATT
reply to post by Trexter Ziam

 

Actually my comments to your post WERE directed at "them" as I DID read your links.

My responses, therefore, were not really to you, but rather with regards to the information you linked - which i still maintain - is utterly ridiculous.

Now it's not 30 homes but 100+ that need to be demolished?

FFS... are people blind? LOOK AT THE PHOTOS!

MAYBE 10 houses total that seem like they suffered some residual damage????

100..... LOL....... thay may as well just try and convince everyone that the whole damn state needs to be rebuilt

yeah you obviously havn't looked at the pictures and extrapolated the damage, please tell me how an aerial photo of 1/10th of the neighborhood tells you the damage of the other 9/10's? If my house was shaking on its foundation 5 miles away, I can't imagined what the blast felt like 100ft from it, enough to kill anyone who was outside. You are simply stating the opposite of all the official reports. I mean at first it's okay because maybe you have a different viewpoint, but you aren't even looking at the damage, the houses are shifted off their foundation because of that sonic boom, would you want to live in one of those houses? You'd be foolish to say yes... and thats why they have been deemed uninhabitable. Someone from Citizens Gas(not CEG, not sure where you got that info from) said there was no leak found at the explosion site, and no residue was found in initial investigations.

Do you have something against Indianapolis? I sense something more in your tone, like you are mad it's getting so much coverage because it's not up to your standards of mass devastation. But anyway... I'm going to sleep. the southside hoosiers down here have been amazing with their quick support and containment of the situation, whatever it was, it was devastating for our community, and that can be confirmed by the international coverage of this incident.

Why do I need to look at a "bigger picture" when the smaller one clearly indicates very minimal damage to homes even 100' away from the blast area?

Some more explosive experts have weighted in on what it would have taken for this to be a gas leak and cause this much damage.

From indystar.com

What does it take to turn a 2,700-square-foot home into a bomb large enough to flatten two other houses, pummel dozens more, rattle dishes for miles and set off earthquake sensors 30 miles away?

According explosives experts: 90 pounds of natural gas, a lack of ventilation and an ignition source.

.....

In order for natural gas to detonate, there needs to be a very specific mixture of air and fuel inside the home.

The experts say that if less than 5 percent gas is floating in the air, there wouldn’t be enough fuel to spark a blast.

If there’s more than 15 percent gas in the air, the fuel mixture also wouldn’t ignite from lack of oxygen.

......

The most volatile mixture for a massive blast of the magnitude of Saturday’s is around 10 percent gas.

He goes on to state after that it would just need an ignition source, something like a thermostat kicking on.

As for why no one smelled the leak?

But how did that much gas get into the home without anyone noticing the fuel’s foul smell?

W. Michael Shinkle, a Des Moines, Iowa, attorney who specializes in natural-gas related civil suits, says it sometimes is caused by an underground leak coming from a supply line feeding the home.

Shinkle at one time represented a company that manufactured a chemical additive that gives the otherwise odorless gas its noxious smell.

Shinkle said the soil acts as a natural filter that eliminates the smell. He said the leak then could have filled the home from the ground up without anyone noticing. Officials say the home was empty when the blast occurred.

Now here's the hmmmmm part. Apparently the 'lines are fine' statement from the gas company wasn't completely.... complete.

The gas utility is continuing to investigate the explosion. Citizens Energy Group spokeswoman Sarah Holsapple said crew members inspected main gas lines Sunday and found no problems.

She said Monday they were in the process of testing service lines that run into the home where the blast occurred; the results were pending.

Let's review:
For this to be a natural gas explosion it would have had to have been about 10% gas in the air and have an ignition source.
Despite earlier vague statements they are just now in the process of testing the house's service line.

All I can say is wow, for 2 people to be dead, they are really playing games with their statements.

reply to post by OneisOne

Not to sound like an apologist or anything, but I am sure these things take time to check into properly. It seems logical they would check the main feeding line first, to make sure no other houses are in danger of kabooming, then move on to the individual lines leading into the house.

The gas mixture info was interesting, seems the odds of blowing up a house with gas are extremely low, a detonation has to go off at a pretty specific range for it to blow.

reply to post by TKDRL

I don't think you sound like an apologist. It just seems weird to me that for days they have been saying "the lines are fine" and then come out and say we are still checking. With everyone looking for an answer and so much disinfo out there about what happened I would have hoped they would have been more clear.

This does remind me of the EQ swarm they had in Clintonville, Wis. They for days said no EQs with several experts going on record and it was only after international media arrived in town that they said, yeah it's earthquakes. I just hate it when local officials play these reporting games.

About the conditions it would have taken for the house to blow. I think I've just come up with a theory. Need to do some research tho.

Originally posted by delusion

Originally posted by Tecumte
Well, we don't know yet, still open but just to be even handed to the nat. gas explanation (whether accident or otherwise) I found this pretty timely if nothing else:

The cruise missile is equipped with a powerful magnetron that produces a massive pulse of microwave radiation. The magnetron is a high-powered vacuum tube that generates microwaves that uses the interaction of electrons with a magnetic field. It also is used in radars and microwave ovens.

I don't get it. Are you suggesting microwave radiation from a missile produced this explosion? I, ah, don't think microwaves could do that. What is the magnetron intended for in the missile, disabling electronics? Navigation? How in your mind would it connect to what's being discussed?

edit... I see it's for disabling electronics. Still... connection?

edit on 12-11-2012 by delusion because: (no reason given)

Not suggesting anything perse, just tossing it out there for people who thought some type of weapon might have been used or tested.. Just saying if a weapon like the one mentioned, that works off of microwave energy can knock out electronics then what other systems might we not be hearing about that could start a fire and cause an explosion. When people think about 'conventional' Hellfire or drone guided missiles, I'm just saying the avaerage citizen is going to have little clue about what type of capabilities these weapons could be designed to have. What can the most advanced microwave or laser type weapons do, I don't know fully, and the military/gov likely has much more advanced systems than the ones given to the public in this article and won't be talking about therm any time soon. The latest news this morning said 'surprising cause in Indianapolis explosion' and then went on to say they hadn't determined any exact cause still as of yet. Great headline, lol.

Here is another news update:

youtube.com

- The police & DHS have put up fencing to keep people out of the area.
- NTSB is still on scene helping with the gas line investigation.
- They have tested the main gas line, but have not disclosed the results and it could be some time before they do. (then they cut to a rep for the gas company and she says they have found no leaks on the main! That's some shoddy reporting)
- They have posted a color coded map of the damaged homes. You can view that here. (note: on the map, I believe DCE stands for Department of Code Enforcement)

As a counter to the leaky furnace or line or whatever, we have already been told TWO houses exploded. And, it looks that way from the pics.

To everyone talking about the possibility of a drone- I live here on the near south side of Indy (by Garfield park, about eight or nine miles from the explosion). I didn't feel or hear the explosion as I was already asleep since I have to work really early on weekends. HOWEVER, about a month or so ago I DID see a drone fly over the park as I was coming home one day. It looked like it was that sort of beige color they use for military equipment. It was flying fairly low. Not to mention the day before the explosion I saw a military helicopter fly over our home southbound. There is a military base about fifty miles south of Indy in the direction it was flying so I didn't think much of it then.

Not saying this is anything more than a gas explosion, but the whole situation is pretty weird.

reply to post by gnosticagnostic


He will say that the homeowner was paid off to say they furnace was malfunctioning, and than talk about drones, meteors from mars, and other baseless comments.

reply to post by James1982


I guess when people are rude about it is where I get frustrated. I'm all about everybody has something to contribute,so I agree with you there.
But when they have nothing to contribute and just spend their time on here putting others down, it seems their purpose is more than just to question.