Woman Arrested For Facebook Obama Post

reply to post by boymonkey74

The point was she DID NOT THREATEN THE PRESIDENT at all. Can you understand that? Threatening is one thing. Hoping and wishing another.

reply to post by rival


This is the safety T&C section of Facebook;

Safety We do our best to keep Facebook safe, but we cannot guarantee it. We need your help to keep Facebook safe, which includes the following commitments by you: You will not post unauthorized commercial communications (such as spam) on Facebook. You will not collect users' content or information, or otherwise access Facebook, using automated means (such as harvesting bots, robots, spiders, or scrapers) without our prior permission. You will not engage in unlawful multi-level marketing, such as a pyramid scheme, on Facebook. You will not upload viruses or other malicious code. You will not solicit login information or access an account belonging to someone else. You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user. You will not post content that: is hate speech, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence. You will not develop or operate a third-party application containing alcohol-related, dating or other mature content (including advertisements) without appropriate age-based restrictions. You will follow our Promotions Guidelines and all applicable laws if you publicize or offer any contest, giveaway, or sweepstakes (“promotion”) on Facebook. You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory. You will not do anything that could disable, overburden, or impair the proper working or appearance of Facebook, such as a denial of service attack or interference with page rendering or other Facebook functionality. You will not facilitate or encourage any violations of this Statement or our policies.

I hate that it all jumbled together but if you read it you will get the picture. While you do have me there on the right of freedom of speech, she did break rules that she agreed to abide by while using Facebook. I know she put 'hoped' in front of her statement so it didn't seem as a threat, but idk why I just feel 'hoping' anyone get assassinated is threatening.. If not it is wrong, or at east that is just my opinion. But on Facebook, whether she just hoped or not, it broke t&c.

P.S. GoldenRule, I am sorry, didn't mean to put it out there like that lol

Edit; jerk_idiot- I did not realize you could say so much more online during Bush's presidency, I did not use the internet as much then, just more for researching!

This is kinda wild.

When all the threats to assassinate Romney if he got elected were made those those that pointed them out were ridiculed.

Now someone makes one about Obama and its declared so very valid.

Ask yourself this. If it had turned out different and Romney had gotten elected. Would you consider all those twitter and facebook assassination threats against him valid?

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

Well my question to you is why? Because more people see it? So what? No crime has been committed. Or is it merely more about controlling thoughts? Is the fear that because more people will see it then there is more chance of it occurring? If that is so then you will find a whole lot of people being arrested soon. For things like saying I hope Obama fails, or I hope the wars stop, or I hope people quit working at a particular company. Stop the passing around of thoughts! Do it now!

Wrong she did commit a crime, threatening to kill the president.
en.wikipedia.org...
5 to 10 years.

Making any threats against anybody is a bad idea and posting them online under your name where a lot of people can see them is stupid. So she's paying for her stupidity. She got fired because any employee represents the company they work for and whenever someone gets into public trouble they lose their job because that company doesn't want to be associated with a bad apple.

She thought she had "freedom of speech" and wanted her 15 minutes of attention but she didn't realize she's just making it worse by showing up on TV and telling everybody how she stands by the dumb statement. So now she's under investigation probably will get off with a warning and hopefully people will forget and she's gonna get another job.

Lesson learned for all them attention grabbers? Probably not

reply to post by Dondylion

No matter how you cut it you can not make saying you hope something will occur is the same as saying I am going to make it occur. You put the two sentences together in your own post. Lets try fill in the blank.

I hope

Now put in whatever you want after. You are saying that what follows will make me a criminal or not based on what?

reply to post by boymonkey74


Last try. She DID NOT THREATEN anybody. If she did then I agree she should be arrested. Hoping something happens is not threatening.

reply to post by Jerk_Idiot


No matter how you spin it, she still made a threat against the POTUS and she's still being investigated because of it. It's the exact same thing as saying I hope someone brings a bomb on our plane or I hope so-and-so gets hit by a bus. It's a threatening comment against someone's life.

reply to post by Frogs


If he was President, then the same rules would apply. Prior to the election he was technically still a private citizen, so it wasn't a crime to say. The Secret Service would watch, and do a light investigation, but you wouldn't be arrested for saying it. If he had been elected then the same rules would apply as here. It doesn't matter who is President, you can't say things like that and not have consequences.

Wow people. I'm amazed at the blind ignorance here.

Neither "wishing" or "hoping" ANYTHING bad thing will happen can EVER be construed as a crime.

Unless you support "thought crime."

The argument that "hoping something bad will happen" is a crime has *one^ very
weak leg to stand on. And that is in the possibility that this hate speech could "incite" someone
else to violence. But that is a very weak argument.

What you people are asserting is that wishing in public is illegal--if what you wish (or hope for)
is bad.

Anytime anyone angrily yells at another "...I wish you were dead," then they would be guilty
of this crime.

reply to post by rival


Only if they were talking about the President. The Secret Service has always investigated anyone who said things along these lines. In most cases they clear them, and the person never even knows they were investigated. In a few cases something turns up, and the person gets a knock on the door, and a couple of people in suits are standing there. In rare cases, they get arrested.

And chances are she wont be charged for anything, or charges dropped.
Think they are simply doing a show here...she might be harmless, but they want to stop this talk right away verses let it continue to bubble and fester on societys underbelly...give a quick slap now and you won't need something bigger later. You know how these retards think...and if they can push the envelope a bit, they will continue to push until they get a slap..so..slap early, give this dizzy bint something to think about before she gets herself in to too much trouble, or before she encourages others.

I might grumble if she is charged (especially convicted) of something
But her being "scared straight" doesn't concern me..anyone can get arrested for any reason (and no reason). Big difference between that and conviction of something though.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by rival

 

Only if they were talking about the President. The Secret Service has always investigated anyone who said things along these lines. In most cases they clear them, and the person never even knows they were investigated. In a few cases something turns up, and the person gets a knock on the door, and a couple of people in suits are standing there. In rare cases, they get arrested.

It's the ambiguity of "...along these lines," that bothers me.

In the difference between 'being investigated' and 'being arrested' there is no ambiguity.

Sure, investigate the woman to make sure she poses no threat (or capacity) to turn
the wish into reality. Sometimes where there's smoke there's fire.

But declaring 'bad wishes' to be a crime (as some here have stated) is one very large step
down the road to tyranny.

With freedom, you have to take the good with the bad. Freedom requires vigilance and work.
When you have a society that is too lazy to do the work you end up with tyranny.

reply to post by rival


The question becomes though, why was she arrested? Was there something in her background check, or where they using it, as another poster said, to scare her straight, and slap this kind of talk down? Because with this election the calls for things like this have been worse than any that I've ever seen.

I've almost never heard of the Secret Service actually arresting people for saying what she said, it's so rare. Unless there was something in her background, or they found something when they went to talk to her. They tend to give you a lot of rope, because they know that most people that say things like that are just talking. They have to at least investigate though, to weed out the ones that are just talking, from the ones that are capable of it. For all we know, they showed up on her doorstep to talk to her, and she went off on them, so they arrested her. Without knowing the full details of what happened, it can be spun to be "She was arrested for saying", as in the article.

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
reply to post by Katharos62191

 

It makes me miss the days of Bush. In those days you could threaten to hang the president, shoot the president, or burn the president and still be left alone as a number of posters on this site could testify to as they were ones who did. You actually had to have done something to be arrested. Now in the days of Obama the messenger of HOPE you can be arrested for hoping for something. I am beginning to think people were accurate who said the right of free speech is going away. Sigh. And they said Bush was bad.

Agreed. Since Obama has been elected, everything has changed.

No one should be threatened, but wishing or hoping, does not mean the action will happen. Because if it did, the population would be smaller in the US and higher in the prisons.

I don't understand why people play the race card. I have told several people that he is multiracial (black & white). So, why do most people say our first black President? It should be our first multiracial President.

Originally posted by Jerk_Idiot
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

Well my question to you is why? Because more people see it? So what? No crime has been committed. Or is it merely more about controlling thoughts? Is the fear that because more people will see it then there is more chance of it occurring? If that is so then you will find a whole lot of people being arrested soon. For things like saying I hope Obama fails, or I hope the wars stop, or I hope people quit working at a particular company. Stop the passing around of thoughts! Do it now!

No it's the simple fact that it is against the law to threaten someone's life. If you threaten to kill me and I call the cops and you admit that you threaten me you could be arrested. Typing your ideas is not a thought it is an action.Posting a threat on the internet would be comparable to writing a confession for a premeditated act. It's stupid.

i've made many a facebook post hoping for david cameron and friends to hang, parliament to burn etc and so far, so no arrest.

There is no credible source I can find stating she was arrested.
She was fired and has been publicly ridiculed, and I have no doubt the secret service will talk to her, but I'd be shocked if she were actually arrested.

She was never arrested.

She was fired and investigated, but never arrested. OP should change the title or the mods should move this into the hoax bin.

if the fbi were to keep a giant scoreboard in their headquarters checking off the amount of people fired or arrested because of facebook, it would number in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

who needs police cameras on every block, when they are monitoring you in your own home.