The Gospel of the Nazarenes/Holy Twelve

Is this document a beacon of truth? How reliable is it? I see how it mirror parts of the new testament so far in what i've read. The thing that is nagging me now about this is that it protrays Jesus as a vegetarian. But then when he has dialogue with the devil he says, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

Does this not imply that he is talking about the kosher laws?

Maybe I am mistaken... but this vegetarian vs kosher law thing is bothering me.

Originally posted by mojo2012
Is this document a beacon of truth? How reliable is it? I see how it mirror parts of the new testament so far in what i've read. The thing that is nagging me now about this is that it protrays Jesus as a vegetarian. But then when he has dialogue with the devil he says, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

Does this not imply that he is talking about the kosher laws?

Maybe I am mistaken... but this vegetarian vs kosher law thing is bothering me.

Why does that bother you? Vegetarians do not eat meat, jews do and is a requirement at the feastdays like Passover and Yom Kippur. They just can't eat pork and other unclean animals. Israel pissed and moaned over being made to eat manna constantly to the point they begged for some bird meat to eat while in the desert for 40 years.

Don't take everything in scripture so literally, alot of it is allegorical, and i can assure you he was not talking about food when he told Satan man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the mouth of Yahveh.

Mark 7:14-23

14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

What else is there to say...

Originally posted by mojo2012
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

Does this not imply that he is talking about the kosher laws?

It's my understanding that the passage refers to the Word of God as food for the Spirit within you. Meaning, man needs to be fed, not just physically (bread) ...but also spiritually (Word of God.)

How the hell do you get from every word that proceedeth from gods mouth to the Kosher laws?

Gospel of the Nazarenes/Holy Twelve

Angel says to Mary in Lection 2
Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecrated unto God from its mother’s womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he take, nor shall razor touch his head.

Gabriel says to Zacharias about John Lection 1
for he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall neither eat flesh meats, nor drink strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.

Magi in Lection 5
who had purified themselves and tasted not of flesh nor of strong drink, that they might find the Christ whom they sought.

Lection 6
AND on a certain day the child Iesus came to a place where a snare was set for birds, and there were some boys there. And Iesus said to them, who hath set this snare for the innocent creatures of God?
And on a certain day as he was passing by a mountain side nigh unto the desert, there met him a lion and many men were pursuing him with stones and javelins to slay him.
But Iesus rebuked them, saying, Why hunt ye these creatures of God, which are more noble than you? By the cruelties of many generations they were made the enemies of man who should have been his friends.

Temptation Lection 9
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread, for it is written, I will feed thee with the finest of wheat and with honey, out of the rock will I satisfy thee.
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeded out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:3-4
And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

The Gospel of the Nazarenes/Holy Twelve paints a clear picture about the take on eating flesh. Jesus even goes so far as to save birds and a lion from Man. There is a correlation between being Holy and Not eating flesh. Yet in the Old Testament according to the kosher laws it is ok to eat certain flesh.

As for Jesus being tempted compare both pieces of information and you see it is indeed talking about food.

Originally posted by stirling
How the hell do you get from every word that proceedeth from gods mouth to the Kosher laws?

Matthew 4:3 is talking about food. Clean/Unclean Meats is talking about food.
Moses got the kosher laws from words that came from God.

Originally posted by mojo2012

Originally posted by stirling
How the hell do you get from every word that proceedeth from gods mouth to the Kosher laws?

Matthew 4:3 is talking about food. Clean/Unclean Meats is talking about food.
Moses got the kosher laws from words that came from God.

The kosher laws are based on tradition and go beyond the dietary laws found in the Bible. For example there is nothing in the Bible that forbids eating foods that include both meat and milk and requiring two separate sets of dishes for meat and milk.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Vegetarians do not eat meat, jews do and is a requirement at the feastdays like Passover and Yom Kippur.

So then the gospel of the holy twelve is unreliable because of said reason. it protrays Jesus as a vegetarian, yet eating meat is a requirement.

Originally posted by mojo2012

Originally posted by stirling
How the hell do you get from every word that proceedeth from gods mouth to the Kosher laws?

Matthew 4:3 is talking about food. Clean/Unclean Meats is talking about food.
Moses got the kosher laws from words that came from God.

Moses got said laws from a false God... Jesus knew the right way...

10 And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:

11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

15 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.

16 And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

17 Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?

18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

reply to post by Akragon


One night I had a very demonic dream. I woke saying my usual saying which I repeat in my head all the time from revelation "holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty. Who was, is, and is to come"

I was not comforted, so I asked God to give me peace and for some reason my head said the Name
"Yahweh Elohim", something amazing happened as I felt waves of Light within my body which forced out the darkness, and I could feel fear no longer, I could only feel love.

How credible is a man who challenges God? Neither do you know His ways or words, blasphemer.

Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by Akragon

 

One night I had a very demonic dream. I woke saying my usual saying which I repeat in my head all the time from revelation "holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty. Who was, is, and is to come"

I was not comforted, so I asked God to give me peace and for some reason my head said the Name
"Yahweh Elohim", something amazing happened as I felt waves of Light within my body which forced out the darkness, and I could feel fear no longer, I could only feel love.

How credible is a man who challenges God? Neither do you know His ways or words, blasphemer.

Judge me in whatever way you see fit...

You've been taught those names, thats why you recognise them in your subconscious...

And you're right about one thing.... I do not know his ways... Death and destruction is not in me...

I promote love, charity, respect for all life... None of which your God knows or understands...

Good luck with that...

Silly Christian.... resorting to name calling now?

How typical...

reply to post by Akragon


About a few months before the occurrence I refused all the names for God given, because they just caused me confusion.

But do you not know that the wrath of God is aimed towards the multitude of sinners who revile believers?
Or is it that your philosophy comes from The Law of One ?

reply to post by backcase

About a few months before the occurrence I refused all the names for God given, because they just caused me confusion.

Do you believe God will not hear or know you're talking to him if you don't use his name?

How is that omnipotent?

But do you not know that the wrath of God is aimed towards the multitude of sinners who revile believers?

I know that the OT God is Wrathful, Jealous, Envious, Petty... And i know many other traits of said God, none of which are Good...

Though i also know the true God has no need of such pathetic humanistic emotions...

Or is it that your philosophy comes from The Law of One ?

Never heard of it... but with a quick google search...

www.lawofone.info...

It doesn't sound like anything i'd read...

reply to post by Akragon


You inferred something which I had not intended in your first part, which was that it was God omnipotent as all that I knew. It was the prophets which gave personality to His decrees, but they were also Holy people. And was Jesus not the Word which spoke to to them, their Lord. If perhaps what you think makes sense then shouldn't there have been no holy Jews? Why would an unholy god proclaim the coming of his holy son?

Or perhaps you do not know that God became our Father after the Sacrifice? Befor this we were all guilty of sins but God said in the OT, "for this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins".

reply to post by backcase

And was Jesus not the Word which spoke to to them, their Lord.

In the OT?

No...

If perhaps what you think makes sense then shouldn't there have been no holy Jews? Why would an unholy god proclaim the coming of his holy son?

Define "holy"...

God didn't write the bible... man did... And if "spirits" or angels influeced the writing... the true God had little to do with it... aside from perhaps some prophecy of his comming...

Or perhaps you do not know that God became our Father after the Sacrifice? Befor this we were all guilty of sins but God said in the OT, "for this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins".

Christian dogma...

IF God is the Creator of all life, HE is the Father of ALL... which has never changed dispite what said book might imply...

And i believe we are straying waaay off topic here... so lets get back to the thread shall we?

Gnostics don't like your God... and the thread is about a very gnostic book...

*sticks out his tongue*

So there...

reply to post by Akragon


But men were not given freely the Holy Spirit as they are now. We are under sway of the world until we are born again. And to be born again is to be born of the Spirit, and Chist has shown us how. God is God of All, but He gives man only so much, and man takes what he can get materially, until he finds the Father and is born Spiritually.

Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by Akragon

 

But men were not given freely the Holy Spirit as they are now. We are under sway of the world until we are born again. And to be born again is to be born of the Spirit, and Chist has shown us how. God is God of All, but He gives man only so much, and man takes what he can get materially, until he finds the Father and is born Spiritually.

This is only according to your book... and what you've been taught of it...

The body can not live without the spirit... It has always been present... Realization of it is the key...

Few understood that before Jesus came... but he cleared everything up... and most still didn't get it...

Consider this line of thinking... To be born of the spirit in christian terms means knowledge and acceptance of God his son, and the holy spirit... Is this not "gnosis"?

And what of the people who don't accept God?

Are they Born again?

reply to post by Akragon


The Spirit is present, but is a different thing than a man's spirit altogether. Born again does not only requir the realization of the bodily spirit, but a life to pursue the goals of the spirit. Many realize the spirit and continue in the ways of the world and of the flesh which is against the spirit. The spirit of a man does not die but to grace.

But the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a different thing all together.

Originally posted by mojo2012

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Vegetarians do not eat meat, jews do and is a requirement at the feastdays like Passover and Yom Kippur.

So then the gospel of the holy twelve is unreliable because of said reason. it protrays Jesus as a vegetarian, yet eating meat is a requirement.

Being a vegetarian isn't a commandment or even law. Those who do become vegetarians do so because of Adam, for he was created eating fruit of the trees for his meat, as they see it as the natural way of men.

Never heard of the gospel of the holy twelve. Jesus was a kosher jew and he did eat meat when it suited him. Even fish is meat and he also ate fish the day he and the disciples fed 5000.