Potential Revolutionary Flashpoint in Greece - right now

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by monkofmimir

 

Yea, you can look at the US election.... Give me free stuff!!!!

People need to learn that there is nothing that is free.

OK, unless you're Jon Corzine, Ben Bernanke, Tim Giethner .....

But, you can see that the 47% in the USA will happily overlook white collar crime to get their "free Obama phones." and birth control.

Please it's November 8th make it stop. Can't we discuss anything without the left/right political rhetoric?

Originally posted by CHEROKEE919
isn't one of the reasons Greece is in this situation that there tax system goes something like this.
do you earn any money?
no.oh ok then you dont need to pay any tax on that big house and brand new merc on your drive

NO JACKASS! This situation happened because the hardworking Greek people are losing their benefits and even current paychecks to pay for the non-Greek scum that wash ashore everyday.

GREECE BELONGS TO THE GREEKS!!!!!! GET THIS THROUGH YOUR G-DAMN SKULLS!!!!!!!!!!! Greeks owe NOTHING to the rest of the world, they are now at the bottom of the barrel. Yet Non-Greek governmental figures want more of that money to bring in more immigrants and put them on a highend dole.

You libtards will never learn because you have no ethnic or cultural pride, PISS OFF!!!!! GOD BLESS GOLDEN DAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by wingsfan


Aren`t you a little too nervous and unpolite? That`s why people don`t vote for Golden Dawn, otherwise it would be a viable choice.

Originally posted by hououinkyouma
reply to post by wingsfan

 

Aren`t you too a little nervous and unpolite? That`s why people don`t vote for Golden Dawn, otherwise it would be a viable choice.

edit on 8-11-2012 by hououinkyouma because: (no reason given)

Yes, I'm a bit too nervous. But what's happening in Greece is easily measured. A small country that lived well on their own accord for awhile. Then one day they're flooded with benefit seeking immigrants, that eventually drew quality of life down. Not long after that austerity measures were brought in and they were forced into the EU style screwings. They never asked for multiculturalism, why should they sacrifice their earnings to support something they never asked for?

This isn't hate speech, it's reality. Their quality of life was shot with the immigration. And yes, people DO vote for Golden Dawn. I swear it's like the entire western world is under some terrible spell. Golden Dawn can and will awaken us all, seeing as the Greeks gave birth to all of our modern ways of life!

reply to post by wingsfan


I don`t disagree with you, I think that`s the problem with most of EU countries nowadays. I was talking about more expressive numbers for the Golden Dawn.

I disagree with the last part, Greece gave origin to the western world only..

Originally posted by hououinkyouma
reply to post by wingsfan

 

I don`t disagree with, I think that`s the problem with most of EU countries nowadays. I was talking about more expressive numbers for the Golden Dawn.

I disagree with the last part, Greece gave origin to the western world only..

Well, yes your right about that. As far as Golden Dawn they act on mostly muslims, and that leaves a tricky situation, but sooner or later people must note the problem such people present en mass. Sorry muslim readers, but you guys have a bunch of folk doing all kinds of wrong and getting by with it.

reply to post by wingsfan


Wow! A problem with immigrants taking welfare money that they didn't earn and aren't entitled to?

The elites know that Greek society is the toughest on the planet and that the Greek people are the most likely to take up an armed revolt. That is why Greece was targeted in the first place to be taken apart financially. It's all a plan.

are they playing that music to try and maintain a somewhat festive attitude so they don't get super pissed, super quick?

I can't believe people are going round and round about immigration and stuff regarding Greece....

The same thing happened to Greece is the same thing that happened to pretty much the whole world.

Was Greece OK before it joined the EU?,consider the possibility that that may have been a mistake.But then I suppose there was economic pressure for Greece to join it,no?.

This economic union stuff is nothing more than banker shenanigans,a way to get everyone's eggs in the same basket,"To Manage Them Better",or "to Take advantage More Efficiently".

The only people in this world who are looking for a handout are the banks and politicians,at least they are the ones who really do.

A good example to follow would be Iceland,they went after the true culprits causing their economic woes.

Banker scum,scamming the ignorant masses.

Same old story all over the world.Shiny trinkets for sale,no money?,no problem,just sign here..

reply to post by wingsfan


Heh , You do know that this is not the first monetary union in Europe that Greece almost destroyed ? I mean yea sure I know that the Euro has a lot of different problems due to a lot of greedy people, and overall we are not ready for a one currency system yet (imo) but learn your history first please there was this thing called Latin Monetary Union, which was based on gold and silver , and guess what .. Greece had the SAME exact problems that they have now , ending in the expulsion of this country from this union They got readmitted back a few years later but never the less it shows that its not a new problem with Greece So Yea I agree with you on one point, I think it would be much safer and best for everybody if Greece went back to its own currency and I support that with all my heart

According to the BBC, "its chronically weak economy meant successive Greek governments responded by decreasing the amount of gold in their coins,[10] thereby debasing their currency in relation to those of other nations in the union and in violation of the original agreement". Greece was formally expelled from the Latin Monetary Union in 1908. It was readmitted in 1910, however.[11]

PS: And yes Greeks have made a hobby out of not paying taxes. I know , I have a decent amount of Greek friends since I tend to visit this country lot due to the nature of my work , so please do not tell fairy tales how the Greek people are so very much oppressed by the oh so bad government (even thou the government there is a bunch of greedy people ) since a lot of them are not much better. Of course there are people that have been the victim of all this and I truly feel for them and hope for the best , but as for the rest.....

What exactly makes a revolution successful anyway?

I hope the greeks take their country back and choose freedom, instead of the typical european police state crap

I have alot of greek friends fro University from back in 2000 , alot of them moved back to greece the rest stayed in the UK , they all have differing opinions on the matter , but on the whole they feel their country has been let down and taken over by greedy politicians , oddly enough they were telling me the same things back in 2000

I cannot claim to have a lot of first hand knowledge on the matter of Greece.
I pick up some slightly different accounts, and some of the most common ones end up being suspicious to me.
Not that I think people are lying to me, but that they might possibly be lying to themselves,
or have a point of view that is so different from mine, their logic doesn't make sense.

Here's the thing- I live in the south of France, and notice the latin -mediterranean peoples seem to have a lot of cultural characteristics in common, no matter what nationalitiy they are.

There is even a big difference, at times between the northern and southern cultures within the same country (in France par example, HUGE difference between the people on the med coast and the north!)

What I see on this southern coast is some hypocrisy concerning the whole question of immigrants and social aid.
The most outspoken french people on that issue can sometimes be going on loudly for horus on how the arabs are takign advanatge of us. Then get all blustered when I point out- "But... aren't you recieving unemployment right now, and working under the table....????"

They feel that they have the right to work their own system. They paid into it, so they can take it. And lie. And avoid taxes.

I guess there is a difference between the person who works and pays into it for ten years, then takes a few years to get that back, and one that never pays a dime into it, then takes it.

But MY problem is that the immigrants that come in are doing the exact same thing, following the exact same morals and values as the people of the host country!

It's like.... we can lie and cheat in our country, but newcomers must stick to a more rigorous system of values and morals than our own.
-Then they want to complain about them not making effort to integrate the culture.....?

Because I see this SO often here, know some italians that do it, and listen to greek people that say the same thing (but they are not my close family in law, so I don't know if they are actually taking advantage of the system or not) I can't help but keep the suspicion that they might be the same.

I am pretty sure there is a big problem with the immigrant population, on the same hand, I just am not sure that the native population isn't a part of that too and not acknowledging their responsibility.

It's so much easier to claim total victimization...

reply to post by Bluesma


LOL I see the exact same thing here in Australia - people scamming the welfare system and then whingeing about illegal immigrants being given humane treatment in detention centres - humane treatment which THEY helped pay for back when they actually declared income and paid taxes.

But back to Greece. The Greek Nazi party can bitch and moan all they like about how immigrants are destroying the Greek way of life - it's their far-right ideological right to do so. However, Greece's current problems stem from a totally different group of foreigners. The EU, like all other economic "communities" was designed to spread the risk while concentrating the profits. Some Albanian refugee washing up on a beach somewhere isn't the problem, the banking cartels which are raping the nation are the issue. Golden Dawn would probably have a large political impact if they shifted their rage to the bankers... unless the bankers are financing Golden Dawn, then it's just another show for the masses.

Originally posted by wingsfan

Originally posted by hououinkyouma
reply to post by wingsfan

 

I don`t disagree with, I think that`s the problem with most of EU countries nowadays. I was talking about more expressive numbers for the Golden Dawn.

I disagree with the last part, Greece gave origin to the western world only..

Well, yes your right about that. As far as Golden Dawn they act on mostly muslims, and that leaves a tricky situation, but sooner or later people must note the problem such people present en mass. Sorry muslim readers, but you guys have a bunch of folk doing all kinds of wrong and getting by with it.

The problem with this is that the Far Right in other European nations use the same argument, while neglecting something very important... immigration is NOT NEW.

Europe has been a hotbed of migration for thousands upon thousands of years. People travel, people move, people start new communities in extend the gene pool creating a healthier race... this is what has happened throughout history.

The only difference is that now we have an economic system unable to cope with that, because it is used a political tool by idiots in parties to show how your money is being "wasted".

Tell me, while people are complaining about all the "foreigners" in their country claiming benefits, what do they say about their own nationality breeding when they are teenagers, absent fathers, unemployed and lazy?

I suspect that Greece is much like the rest of Europe in this regard. The party might spew this kind of propaganda to try to convince people that their problems are from outside (using it as a tool because the violent racism and xenophobia is all their simple minds can manage) but in reality the vast majority of the problems are caused by Greek people, not outsiders.

We have the same in the UK, with the BNP claiming that all of our problems are down to "brown people" and "eastern Europeans" stealing our jobs and claiming benefits. In actual fact, the vast majority of crime in this country is carried out by British, White men, and the vast majority of benefit claimants are British too. White, British teenagers are getting pregnant at 15 and barely closing their legs long enough to take any kind of responsibility for their kids. White British men are the absent fathers who help to create that child before running back down the pub to spend their benefit money on getting another girl drunk enough to have unprotected sex, creating yet another unsupported child...

The far right in an country is deluded beyond belief. They are so incredibly biased it's unreal. And the fact that people trust anything that comes out of their Hitler-inspired brains is astounding to me, and suggests that there are far too many ignoramuses in all of our nations.

I can see the issue with immigrants, when country economics were not in the good place in beginning immigration can make economic issues rapidly down the sewer.
But you cannot blaime immigration alone. Blaime corruption first.
Countries which have had most corruption has been the countries to face civil unrest and economic meltdown first.

Don´t worry we will join you in few years even we have AAA+ quality rating in economics now.

When a country or nation goes bad the blame should always be on the leaders.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
When a country or nation goes bad the blame should always be on the leaders.

Then traced back even further... No need to stop there.

The real question is how would a revolution change the economic circumstances for Greece.

Greece is broke.

Even if you replaced all the politicians in Greece (hopefully non violently) that would not solve their problem.

The reality is very simple. If you have an income of $2500 per month yet spend $3500 per month, at some point you will not be able to get any more credit, or borrow any more money. Then, perhaps very suddenly you have to not only reduce your expenditures but also come up with a plan to pay back the debt that you have incurred.

That is what is happening in Greece. Only, the citizens don't like the austerity measures that the politicians have come up with.

This also may be the future of the US. We have a national debt of over 16 trillion dollars with no plan on how to pay it back. Our country may also be facing this problem in the near future.