English Soccer Referee stood down for allegedly calling a black footballer a monkey?

From the start I will declare that if this referee Clattenberg did call Mikel ( a Chelsea player) a monkey meaning it to be a racist slur...he should be punished.
www.dailymail.co.uk...

All refs are mic ed up so his comments and the Chelsea players comments would be heard by the miced up assistants as well.

Mark Clattenberg is a controversial referee as well as being one of the best in Europe and the world.

Referees are abused constantly..there have been numerous reports of foreign players ..playing in the English Premier League abusing referees and other players in their own language.

Did this ref just snap and the word "monkey" just came out?

If he had called a white player a "monkey" would he be in trouble...?

Are black skinned people so thin skinned that they need to destroy a persons career for a momentary outburst after they have been haranging and abusing the referee?

The way this is being spinned...it seems the only racists are the white english and racism is not inherent in any other race.
No one condones racism...but is it not self racist to be so deeply offended by the "term monkey?
We all as humans evolved from apes and monkeys..so why the offense?

It is almost nonsensical...this Mikel guy gets paid approx three or so million pounds a year in a nation who has given him the privilege to reside in( he is not English).. he lives a lifestyle that most English people can only dream of...he abuses the ref and then runs to the authorities for what was probably a breaking point brain snap retort..(if he said the word).
Commonly the word monkey is used to describe people who act unruly or cheeky.

Perhaps that is the context of the referees reference to "monkey"?

Is" monkey " a criminal word?

This refs career is over beieve me...he is finished.

Good on ya ...mikel....perhaps you should get a medal.
Espescially if one reads this excerpt from the Dail Mail link. in quotes
"Chelsea have not disputed the fact that Mikel heard the claim he had been abused by Clattenburg only after the match when he was told by non-English-speaking team-mate Ramires.

His version of the exchange was translated from his native Portuguese by his Brazilian team-mate David Luiz. United’s players have been asked by the club whether they heard any abusive comments by Clattenburg during the match and none reported anything untoward.'
Mikel didn't even know until he was told by a non English speaking team mate after the game who had to relay it to Mikel via a translating team mate..".

Expect this thread to be shut down in 3...2...1...

Has it been confimed he actually said that?

If not, I'm on the ref's side - I wouldn't but it past those Chelsea meatballs to make that crap up.

He's an exsperienced ref and WOULD NEVER ruin his career like that.

I'm guessing strings have been pulled so he's the fall guy and Chelsea don't have to investigate half their team.

Last thing they need in a season like this one.

United for the title!!

reply to post by Sinny


No it is an allegation i have inserted the link in the oP that confirms that he was miced up and no other offical heard him racially slur John Mikel Obi.

Chelsea in my opinion have set a precedent to all referees who don't make decisions they don't like during a game...we will get you.

No matter the outcome of this it would be a fair bet to win ..if you backed no Chelsea player will be sent off at Stamford bridge for rest of season.

Using race alegations against an offical who sent your star forward off the field earlier is plain mafia style tactics.

And looking into who owns and who manges the club perhaps this needs investigating?

Originally posted by Dr Expired
reply to post by Sinny

 

No it is an allegation i have inserted the link in the oP that confirms that he was miced up and no other offical heard him racially slur John Mikel Obi.

Chelsea in my opinion have set a precedent to all referees who don't make decisions they don't like during a game...we will get you.

No matter the outcome of this it would be a fair bet to win ..if you backed no Chelsea player will be sent off at Stamford bridge for rest of season.

Using race alegations against an offical who sent your star

forward off the field earlier is plain mafia style tactics.

And looking into who owns and who manges the club perhaps this needs investigating?

Its always worth investigating who's pulling the purse strings

I heard he just called him mikel,remember he has a geordie accent.Some English people struggle to understand a geordie accent.

This could have been blown totally out of proportion. Many people have been called monkeys no matter what colour they are. 'Northern monkey', southern fairy', someone calls you a fairy, would you call them a homophobe?

Maybe he was just innocently calling him a monkey like he would anyone else who's being a prat.

Just a thought, I don't know enough to come to a conclusion.

Originally posted by glen200376
I heard he just called him mikel,remember he has a geordie accent.Some English people struggle to understand a geordie accent.

Mikel was told by Ramires after the game that Clattenburg had called him a monkey..Ramires cannot speak English so Luiz another teamate had to translate to mikel Ramires was saying.

Yeah what a load of crock.
Yet because the allegation has been made the geordie is now under a Police investigation.
He is finished for a Portugese speaking Brazilian hearing"Mikel as Monkey".

This will drag on and on..and Clattenburg will be remembered as a racist referee.

He has been stitched up and those responsible should be charged for false reporting of criminal act.

Oh but they can't because Ramires will just say he misunderstood as he can't speak English.

Very convenient .
If they can't speak English how did they get a work permit?

Originally posted by Dr Expired
From the start I will declare that if this referee Clattenberg did call Mikel ( a Chelsea player) a monkey meaning it to be a racist slur...he should be punished.

It does seem likely that the player misheard the referee saying his name Mikel rather than monkey due to the referee's Geordie accent.

But why all this hysteria these days about racism in football in the UK?

Some of the most racist people out there are not white but the perception is that they can say whatever they want. This war on 'racism' in the UK is having the effect of dividing society, not uniting it.

I wonder if that is the objective.

reply to post by Wide-Eyes


The word Monkey could have different intensity to different colored people. For a white person, it would be same as Jackass or something of similar offense, but to a black person, due to historical name calling relation with the animal will be of a different effect, esp if it was called by a white person.

Don't they record what the referees talk? in case they need to check back for further detail on their decision?

Well, it could be this guy talking the fall for something else they don't want investigated.

reply to post by Dr Expired


I totally agree.I think making these allegations if they are not true is just as bad as any racist comment.Could this be soar grapes for the f.a. finding Terry guilty even all though he was cleared in court?
Don't even get me started about the not speaking English!

reply to post by luciddream


The referees microphone isn't recorded but the four other officials can all hear it live.Surely this could easily be cleared up by asking them.

As long as West Brom win in an hour or so. I really couldn't care.. And go Man United

reply to post by luciddream


I can totally understand how this could be a racist jab but I think that there is a possibility it was said in innocence. It's very difficult to prove either way. Of course, as soon as race comes into any conflict of interest, there will never be a clear conclusion.

What i like about freedom of speech: it allows buttholes to show they are buttholes so there is no doubt left in anyones mind.

Originally posted by glen200376
reply to post by luciddream

 

The referees microphone isn't recorded but the four other officials can all hear it live.Surely this could easily be cleared up by asking them.

The second third and fourth officals have all made statements supporting Clattenberg in his claim "that he did not call Mikel a monkey.
But because Chelsea FC have reported it as a racist incident the Police will now be treating Clattenberg as a potential criminal.
He will be formally interviewed by the Police.
It may go to court.
Even if there is no other evidence than Ramires alleged hearing of Clattenberg calling mikel a monkey(Ramires cannot speak English by all reports see OP.
Such is England.

And to deepen the conspiracy there is a big push by Black lawyers in England to have the black players have their own union.

So we will have the professional players union and the professional black players union(sound like apartheid?).
The Black players can then join both unions.....but the white players cannot join the black union.
Will there be a white players union you ask?
Of course not that would be construed as racist..and outlawed by current race laws.
But the black union does not break these laws.

Such is the land that boycotted South Africa for apartheid practices.

Now the black players need protection from the Professional players union which must be full of white supremacists?
Yeah all those millions the foreign players rake in they sure are downtrodden by a white racist nation such as England.
Arsenal is a famous English(sic) club ...on some weeks they field no English players but up to six or seven foreign black players.
Equality?
Depends ...how much you can scare the locals into giving up.
those racist evil English.(sarcasim)

reply to post by Dr Expired


wow. so england doesn't have freedom of speech? you can actually get the police involved because someone says something that hurts your feelings?

reply to post by Sinny


He's an exsperienced ref and WOULD NEVER ruin his career like that.


He's a narcissist...anyone following the Prem on a regular basis knows this. Before this, the guy was one step away from endorsements.





And, experienced or not, many have ruined their career over ego...


Not a very good moment for the Respect campaign - but then again, it was facade from the beginning.

There's absolutely know way the ref said what he is accused of. Either the Chelsea players are lying or he was misheard because of his accent.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Dr Expired

 

wow. so england doesn't have freedom of speech? you can actually get the police involved because someone says something that hurts your feelings?

Definitely no free speech.Hurt feelings laws,definitely!I think the letter of the law is whether you're offended,no matter how mundane the comment is.