The secret to humanity is that we don't need them!

I look at the world around me and I envision a different time. In fact, more than a few people have told me that I was born in the wrong time period. I think that's true, but I always ask the question "why" even though I already know the response. When I say to people that "we don't need Government", they tend to look at me like I have 5 heads. Often, times such as the American "wild west" are brought up. But to ask the simple question here, what was so wrong with the "wild west"?

Call me naive, and I may just be that, but isn't the American "wild west" the very definition of freedom? In most cases, people left their held up security in the east to travel out west to the great unknown. And many people died in the process. But at what cost? A new life.

People were murdered. People were robbed. People were gunned down in the streets. But the people took notice to that and corrected the problem. Your local sheriff was put in place by the people to keep the peace. And in most cases, that's all that really needed to be done. If a gang grew out of control, you simply hired more deputies. People in Texas still take great pride in their history, why doesn't the rest of the country?

The "wild west", for all the negatives that there was, didn't have restrictions on your speech because you knew you would be held responsible for what you said. It didn't have restrictions on what you put in your body because, again, you knew what the consequences were. And the "wild west" didn't have restrictions on what a grown adult could do with their body (for the same reason).

True freedom means accepting responsibility for your actions. It seems like Americans today simply do not wish to be free.

So what's the point of this thread? We don't need them. Man is perfectly capable of governing himself without the nanny state dictatorship. From the dawn of man we have been able to take care of ourselves without big brother over our shoulder. And the fact is, Government is a rather new invention given the entire scope of human history.

If we've learned anything from recorded human history, it's this: Government always goes bad, empires always fall and tyrants always emerge to ruin it all. There is not much one man cannot do alone, but I am assured, based on the history of this species, that one man cannot hold ultimate power.

The secret to humanity is that you don't need a President, King or Emperor to dictate to you. But with true freedom comes true responsibility... I just don't think modern day Americans (or the world) honestly want TRUE FREEDOM. I honestly don't think that we're evolved enough to understand the scope of the situation as a whole (I certainly do not) and that we just kinda go along with what we've been born into. But folks, there used to be a simpler time. Put down the ipad for a moment and grasp reality.

I know this has been posted elsewhere, but I think it really ties in great with this subject:



This man has build himself a solar cabin which costs him next to nothing to run. The problem the he and others attempting to do this are running into are the strict building codes that are placed on YOUR LAND! To even begin to build something like this, after you've paid for your property, you need a building inspector to come out and tell you that what you've built (on your land) is safe for you to live in. Now people, if this isn't the nanny state I don't know what is. You know who else had land restrictions? The entire history of human dictatorship that decided not only who could own land, but what you could do with your land once it was purchased (or given to you).

Times change, technology changes, people don't. As much as I respect the people that are able to live off the land such as this guy, we will never truly be free until we can actually own our land without paying rent on it (taxes) or be forced to adhere to Government guidelines.

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.. I just don't think modern day Americans (or the world) honestly want TRUE FREEDOM

if you believe this then surely this thread wont go far?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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.. I just don't think modern day Americans (or the world) honestly want TRUE FREEDOM

if you believe this then surely this thread wont go far?

But I honestly don't. I don't think people want to accept the responsibility that comes with true freedom. People now know that there is always a fail safe in place for them. There is no longer the fear of starving through the winter because you had a bad harvest. Simply go down to the shelter or go on welfare and get your handout. People don't want to be free because being free means doing away with welfare. It means taking responsibility even if that means death.

Live free or die. That saying has it's historical meaning. The majority of people aren't willing to give up their fail safe.

reply to post by Dishonored

Live free or die. That saying has it's historical meaning. The majority of people aren't willing to give up their fail safe.

Are you willing to lead by example. Have you given up yours fail safe? and How?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Live free or die. That saying has it's historical meaning. The majority of people aren't willing to give up their fail safe.

Are you willing to lead by example. Have you given up yours fail safe? and How?

Interesting part about that, to be truly free in this country (or this world) still costs money. Funds that I do not have at this time. I like to say that I am in the process of becoming free.

Isn't government like the local sheriff and man governing himself on a larger scale?

The wild west towns always had some form of government. Even mob rule and "answering for your own actions," might be considered democracy.

The "Wild" West did have restrictions on what you could say or do or what you put into your body especially if it affected someone else just like we do today. However, the consequences then were probably a good hanging while today you might go to jail. Every society had rules for behavior. Even among members of your household. Someone gets disciplined for acting out against the best interests of the group; be it parents disciplining a child, brother hitting brother, or peer shunning peer. You see, man is a social animal and will always have and need some form of government whether they want it or not. Unless someone is a sociopath, then they are governed by someone or something.

There is a flaw in your basic premise. A man cannot be without government of some sort unless he is truly alone.

Now is there a current form of government that is "right"? Does man need a "nanny state" form of government? That I can't really answer. I'm sure there is always room for improvement. Chances are that the right form of government is some combination of Communist, Socialist, Democratic, Republic, Nanny State, whatever.

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We don't need them. Man is perfectly capable of governing himself without the nanny state dictatorship. From the dawn of man we have been able to take care of ourselves without big brother over our shoulder. And the fact is, Government is a rather new invention given the entire scope of human history.

I'm sorry but I disagree.
I believe we have given too much power to state and government...true..but because we are lazy.
Take away all form of government, and powers of rule...and there will be an egotistical free reign , free for all, and massive chaos with no fear of consequences.
With the generation "me" up and coming who already fear nothing and believe they are entitled to whatever, whenever...can you even imagine what the world would be like???
I'll go hide in a cave, and you can let me know when you have restored proper order.

Originally posted by AccessDenied
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We don't need them. Man is perfectly capable of governing himself without the nanny state dictatorship. From the dawn of man we have been able to take care of ourselves without big brother over our shoulder. And the fact is, Government is a rather new invention given the entire scope of human history.

I'm sorry but I disagree.
I believe we have given too much power to state and government...true..but because we are lazy.
Take away all form of government, and powers of rule...and there will be an egotistical free reign , free for all, and massive chaos with no fear of consequences.
With the generation "me" up and coming who already fear nothing and believe they are entitled to whatever, whenever...can you even imagine what the world would be like???
I'll go hide in a cave, and you can let me know when you have restored proper order.

I'm not saying that we do away with the law or police, simply that we don't have career politicians in Washington dictating both foreign and domestic policy. Maybe it's time that we do away with welfare and force these people to sink or swim? True freedom means that there is no safety net.

When someone says that we don't need Government, people envision mass looting, riots, violence and chaos. All I'm suggesting here is that we stop letting corrupt politicians dictate our lives.