[~How To Hunt a Witch~]

Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
reply to post by denver22

 

Very bothersome indeed when someone says back then i think it may rain later and if it did
you would be classed as a witch..Very sad state of affairs to be burned for such things..

Complete paranoia ..

you mean like anyone that might be slightly connected to terrorism, or have anti-government views. is that why obama signed indefinate detention, and we continue water boarding innocent peoples. back then, i think applies now, just the words have changed.

8o)

The methods of tourture have definatley changed too, now it seems it is a slow process of torture
by our governments in a state of complete paranoia for anyone speaking up about what's going on
etc.. Good post/good point....

How does one know if another is a witch?

"And what do we burn besides witches?"

"MORE WITCHES!!"

Nearly choked on my coffee....

reply to post by TheSparrowSings


Look no further, thy stands before ye.

reply to post by denver22


Ha Ha ha! Your head was slightly out of the picture enough to hide any devil horns you might have. I call HOAX on your pic. You are still a Warlock in my eyes. Or, maybe you just photoshopped out the red.

Here are some excerpts of Gow's translations:

Edmonton Journal

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
reply to post by denver22

 

Ha Ha ha! Your head was slightly out of the picture enough to hide any devil horns you might have. I call HOAX on your pic. You are still a Warlock in my eyes. Or, maybe you just photoshopped out the red.

Would the op require further evidence lmao? Does the court require another pic in these testing times lol..?

reply to post by TheSparrowSings




Look no horns lmao..

reply to post by Gamma MO


Awesome, thankyou. I am usually more thorough on keeping information in my thread but life sometimes dictates how much research I can do. (Meaning my husband using the computer dictates... *lol*)

"Invectives Against the Sect of Waldensians" - By Johannas Tinctor (Written in 1465)
The University of Alberta copy is missing the beautiful illustration that can be seen in the link provided by Gamma MO.

Never been translated to english before, so here we go guys. I will post a few excerpts from the article.
Full excerpts that have been translated available here

Witches, in this time frame, seem to be viewed as even more evil than any pagan. Tinctor notes this several time in the available excerpts.

Furthermore the pagans, indulging themselves in all pleasures, allowed themselves all luxuries, yet they did not stain themselves with the most noisome and execrable vices forbidden by nature. But the witches are so caked in the mud of vile thoughts and are so vilely polluted in all their deeds and are burned, consumed and corrupted by their detestable desires to such a point that there is no abominable filth or deed of the flesh that is not pleasing to them, such that they do not even shrink from having carnal intercourse with the devil transformed to them into the guise of an animal, of which the human heart cannot think without abomination and horror; and decency barely allows one to speak of it.

According to their abilities to visit upon them long wasting diseases; sometimes they are intent upon the death of children and old people, and sometimes they terrify towns and fields with sudden hailstorms and bolts of lightning out of the blue; at the same time they are at pains to bring pestilence to the world, destruction of nations, wars and commotions, and in these and similar malefic crimes they exercise their cunning and turn away from other activities, and there is no crime so horrific that they would fear to undertake it, as long as they think it could in any way serve their most damnable religion, by which they greatly wish to please the evil spirit.

Originally posted by denver22
reply to post by TheSparrowSings

 

Look no horns lmao..

They are retractable...

reply to post by denver22


Doesn't matter what proof you give me. My daughter pointed at the screen and said she saw you with the devil. *LMAO* Condemned!!

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
reply to post by denver22

 

Doesn't matter what proof you give me. My daughter pointed at the screen and said she saw you with the devil. *LMAO* Condemned!!

Well i guess the jigs now up and time to come clean then..
I have been conversing in the occult for some time now and have drank of the blood on numerous
occasions while accepted the devil into my life..

Purge me of my sins lmao...

Originally posted by Suspiria
Spot a witch? Simple..The hair proves it! (Cheap Blackadder quote)

Seriously though I do fancy getting my hands on a translated copy of the Malleus Maleficarum (Hammer of the Witches). Spotted one on the internet once, went for a bit more than I was willing to pay though. Oh well another day....Oh hey up now, The Book Depository has them going for £8.35...Wayhey!!!

edit on 31-10-2012 by Suspiria because: (no reason given)

Just get it from here www.malleusmaleficarum.org...
free for many years and the only one you "pay for" is a 99cent kindle version

reply to post by TheSparrowSings


What is particularly interesting about this book, and what it provides to the study of this period of history is that the author, Jean Taincture chose to label witches as 'Waldensians'. The Waldensian heresy occurred in the 12th century and was related to a chap from Lyons called Waldo, who convinced two priests to produce a translation of the scriptures into vernacular French and then took it upon himself to preach the scriptures in the vernacular so that the 'common people' could understand it. This resulted in these people doing away with those practices which are not mentioned in the scriptures, such as the sacrament etc. At the time, and still, this was heresy as it contravened orthodoxy. Though the Waldensian sect spread from France into Germany and the Low Countries such as Belgium and the Netherlands, it was pretty much 'cleansed' at the time that Taincture was writing. Which is why it is so interesting.

Witchcraft was not a civil crime in 1465, heresy was. In order to get those accused of witchcraft burned at the stake, they had to be found guilty of heresy, which is why Taincture uses the Waldensian label. Once a person had been found guilty by the Inquisition of being a 'relapsed heretic', they could be turned over to the civil authorities for punishment. Heresy at that time was considered an 'anti-social behaviour', and in those homogenising times, by all classes, intolerable. In fact, as often as not, the accused would be dragged from the jail by the moral majority and burnt if the actual authorities didn't move quickly enough. Throughout the entire period from heresy trails to witchhunts, there was a reliance on 'finger pointing', much like the Nazis Gestapo who would have been powerless if it wasn't for the petty jealousies and gossip of the populace.

The best thing to use is Witch snacks, Witches go absolutely CRAZY for Witch snacks....especially for burnt dog turd flavor!

You can get a copy of the famous "Witch's Hammer" in print today for next to nothing. It is not Medieval, but close to it. It describes how witches are found and how to torture them. It my actually be transcribed from the rare book shown in the photo.

Originally posted by buddha
Evil so called god worshipers.
who do sick things to get more power over people.

when they started to run low on wood to burn witches.
they hung them.
that was after a week of very sick torchering.
and adding names to the list so the Church could steal the land.

at at this time they erased from history things they did not like.

I am sorry for having to do this, but I have consistently noticed the sheer depth of ignorance of this topic, and any other topic that allows pagans and atheists to bash Christianity. Christianity, Judaism and Islam aren't the only religions that executed witches. Heck pagan Rome wrote the book on witch burnings(and the book on slavery literally).

en.wikipedia.org...
Persecution of witches continued in the Roman Empire until the late 4th century AD and abated only after the introduction of Christianity as the Roman state religion in the 390s.

What does the word abated mean?

www.merriam-webster.com...
a : to put an end to
b : nullify 1

One thing we need to keep in mind about the 1400s is that it isn't the 21st century, err who the heck I am I kidding. Most people are ignorant sods who just want to hate and will hate on anyone society allows them too. Add in the fact that they had no game consoles, no tv and no internet + lousy food, smelled bad(no regular bathing) and harder lives meant many went along with the witch hunt for the "atmosphere of it". For the pure entertainment factor. One thing people need to be mindful of: Witch Hunting was mostly a woman on woman crime. Most of those who made the accusations where women and most who suffered from it where also women. Akin to how in NAZI Europe, how women where responsible for informing the SS of the location of Jewish persons, or morally suspect persons(false accusations of other women being prostitutes was common). Heck in Communist land, behind the Iron curtain, the communist knew women where lieing through their teeth when they reported other people as being "criminals" or "enemies of the state", but they encouraged it because it created a climate of fear. Heck a female politician from the old East German area is already on record as saying such an environment is ideal for women(maybe psychopathic women but I digress).

Look at all the recent cases of false Domestic Violence and false rape accusations and you will understand the origins of witch hunting in Europe and perhaps in past ages as well.

en.wikipedia.org... "The Witch's Hammer." (Really the Mallet for Malefactors!)

reply to post by korathin


Certainly I agree in some cases the accusations were driven by petty malevolence and jealousy, but remember that the accusation had to be supported by the judiciary and the church...which often times were not mutually exclusive. The main factor, certainly in Europe, was the standardisation of academia that fed the frenzy and permitted the accusations to be carried to Inquisition or rather judicial inquiry. Women were not permitted admittance to the universities and therefore could not receive a license to practice the various branches of medicine, though in many cases they were much better qualified than their male university educated counterparts. It was this lack of official status that permitted their accusers the grounds to accuse them of witch craft. An excellent example is the case of the midwife Alice Tilley, which is also the first instance in American history when women organised themselves on a socio-political level effectively.

Tilley was accused of causing all sorts of mayhem to women in childbirth, and her accusers were almost exclusively barren women or those that had suffered still births, but fortunately for her she had enough satisfied customers to tip the balance in her favour. They formed a petition and she was, eventually, able to continue practicing. Thousands of women were not so lucky. And the contributing factor in that case and others, was that men knew nothing of women, medically, because it was prohibited for even a medically trained male to look upon a naked female, let alone touch her, and so they relied on women's opinions when an accusation of malpractice was filed. It may be that women were making the accusations, but it was the ignorance of the males that allowed the accusations to be taken to court.

reply to post by whisperindave


I had put a link to this right on this page
for a down load guess people missed it
about 4 posts above yours