The October Surprise 2012: American Secret Police By Executive Order???

Thanks for the thread. Interesting information. I think this might apply.

We see this in politics, religion, schools, government, law enforcement...people that are supposed to stand for something specific and yet get caught with their "hands in the cookie jar". So, it stands to reason there is a "trickle down effect". One rotten apple can spoil the whole bunch right? No. But, it does make it difficult to trust and gives everyone that does try to do things the right way the additional hardship of overcoming the daily cynicism due to the behavior of the "bad apples" though.

Take care and much love to all.

Ascension211

As a matter of fact, right about now is when the shipments of ammo are due to be received by all these agencies!

There is so much about this E.O. that disturbs me. On the surface, it looks like just another effort to beef up security and "address homeland security challenges", but is it? Let's evaluate just who becomes privy to matters of security. He uses the words "community-based organizations" several times. Who might some of these community-type groups be? He talks about "enhanced opportunities" and "utilizing resources". What kind of enhancements and whose resources? What does he mean by "territorial stakeholders"? What does he mean by "institutionalize local partnerships"? What does he mean by, "may establish subgroups"?

This E.O. is for the purpose of establishing a "partnership council".

Who does he propose to partner with when it comes to our homeland security?

I have a few questions about all these EO's.

When a president makes/creates/signs these, does the next president usually get rid of them? Are there time limits on them? (2 years, 4 years....) Does the next president just leave them, so they can use them?

I'm sorry I don't know much about them. Other than what I read here, and that they mostly make me very uncomfortable.

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Some are amended, or cancelled later on. But most continue to be policy and law, in one form or another, indefinitely.

Here are some resources:

Whitehouse.gov
Executive Orders Wiki
National Archives
The American Presidency Project
About.com

~Heff

The Republic is dead! The White House has just declared the ability to deputize in American to act on its behalf. Even worse- "(d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person". What?

Originally posted by onthedownlow
The Republic is dead! The White House has just declared the ability to deputize in American to act on its behalf. Even worse- "(d) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person". What?

Keep and eye on AmeriCorps. The Obamas are big time supporters of this so-called civilian army. I can see him laying the groundwork for an "enhanced opportunity" to "institutionalize an all-of-Nation effort" of this group (which, btw, is not without controversy) once he is out of the White House.

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Just goes to show,

Not everyone looks good in a Cowboy hat.

Gives you kind of a sick feeling.

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Well that is disheartening, to say the least.
Thank you for all the great links.
Lots of reading to do.

Intresting post ! If we are thinking about international chaos, it´s right there in front of your eyes. Economic collapse in US and Europe which will bring massive civil unrest.

U.S.National Debt Clock

Same thing is happening in many European countries too. Top 3 countries with debt in Europe is UK, France and Germany and those are the ones who are trying to keep EU as whole most aggressive.

Maybe this is all prerendered.

What is funny to me is each one of these kinds of topics is met with an abstract discussion, rather then a practical one. Folks go on about "oh, it doesn't mean anything, they happen all the time" when we have to ask, in practical terms: why do it if it means nothing. This was the reply to NDAA, and now, the gov is saying, "hey, we want the right to detain anyone, for anything, it is our right" though court challenge and the world is quiet.

In this case, lets add the two parts NDAA and this EO and look at the practical nature of them with a simply question:

You are driving back home from movies. A nice Friday night was had by the two kids and the wife, and you are driving your 99 Camry home after getting ice cream. In the rear view mirror you see a black SUV, with no markings, not top light-bar but some on dash flashing lights. You don't if it's kids or something serious. You don't know what to do as there was no PSA about what to do, so you drive to a lighted area when the truck cuts you off and tells you to get out of the car. They offer no ID, they have no ID on the car: Keep in mind, failure to act in a manner consistent with complete compliance with any authority, is automatic detainment due to NDAA, as such actions, are, automatically considered suspect by nature. Yet, submission to a gun and black van is stupid by nature.

What do you do?

I do not see any guise of "Secret Police" but I do see an interpretation which will allow FEMA to do this

FEMA makes preparations to postpone elections

Makes sense Obama would do it, the states affected are huge blue states.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
I see brown shirts on the streets of america in the near future. Is that paranoia or is this a common belief?

I see brown noses all over Washington D.C.. as for Brownshirts?
Nah, they figured the uniforms would be too much of a giveaway.
But thank God we have boyscouts trained to take down terrorists that hijack buses now.

Am I the only one shuddering here? The only one seeing shades of the Gestapo, the Stasi, or the KGB?

I don't think I'm shuddering per se, but maybe clenching, grimacing, gnashing teeth etc..

I do see these shades as their shadows have swept across our land for some time now.

To me, this smacks of a 'mafia' style move - like when the mobsters go into the shop owners store and demand payment 'for protection'.

Only this way, they are getting federally deputized and subsidized making it all legal and legit like.

Can't wait to see the new logos and uniforms... /sarcasm

After being offline for most of the day, I was hoping to find some really cutting edge news stories or blog entries about this EO. Sadly all that I've located, so far, is a post to a Christian forum that is worded in such a way as to make me think it is based upon this OP ( Exact reuse of "Gestapo/Stasi/KGB" ).

Where is the right on this?

I am often seen as a supporter of Obama because I tend to enter threads that attack him erroneously ( He's a Muslim, he was born in Africa, he hates white people, etc ) and I often say "Why make things up about the man when there are plenty of real issues to be upset about!"

Well! HERE'S ONE!

I hate corrupt politicians, period. Left or right, red or blue, Republican or Democrat. And this EO? This is some straight out of the book George W / Dick Cheney Orwellian stuff.

Where are my Tea Party friends? Where are the cries of Constitutional outrage???

~Heff

Originally posted by sonnny1
I'll Bite.

Look to China's Government, to see what control is like.

They control their media, they control their economy, They control their people, regardless if a few, in China have it good, with their businesses. If that Government wants your business, it will take it. Period.

You don't recall what happened to Gibson Guitars last year? The feds seized all their wood and shut them down, in spite of a grandfathered license to import the "criminal" wood from India. In spite of (or maybe because of) their continuing success as an american manufacturer, keeping manufacturing on american soil. The feds had and have no case against Gibson. It was just a grab.

How can a Super Power compete with that? By becoming that. How does one take power "from the people"?

Think about it.


S&F

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so in skimming through this, it seems the feds are merging with locals in order to keep us secure.

martial law anyone?


please tell me i miss interpreted this post.

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Yeah I saw this shortly after it was released to the media,.
or lack there of as far as real public eye exposure.
Does it really matter?
Since the Kenyan brother was in the WH he has been quickly tightening the noose and removing
freedoms from the US of A... and not a single uproar from the masses.
The people of the US are already in a police state and they dont even realize it.
I have been trying to make sense of this continual strap down of the US freedoms and I cant grasp
the reason why,,
But the only thing that constantly nags the back of my mind is the DHS and their AMMO purchases.

funny thing about all this,. At what point as an employer, do you stop allowing your employees to stop
making bad decisions and fire them?

Originally posted by Hefficide

After being offline for most of the day, I was hoping to find some really cutting edge news stories or blog entries about this EO. Sadly all that I've located, so far, is a post to a Christian forum that is worded in such a way as to make me think it is based upon this OP ( Exact reuse of "Gestapo/Stasi/KGB" ).

~Heff

I'm a member (lurking mostly) on a few practical survival based forums, where typically they hate Obama with a passion.

There's hardly any mention of this anywhere.

Ok- So basically they are saying ...

"Look- we are assholes- and theres nothing you can do to stop it because we own your weak little minds".

I know why he was a constitutional 'scholar'....so he could figure out ways on how to screw us over.

How long does our GOVT want us to fear Terrorism or 90 MPH winds?

I fear nothing, and I wont live in it either.

- One more thing- Its funny- this is going to add a bunch of new Govt Jobs.

- How much cooperation do they expect to get from buisness owners?

VOTE THIS AHOLE OUT. He just dont give a F.

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I give up. Carry on.

I'll just say I'm not concerned and I don't see any red flags. I don't see any establishment of "Secret Police" Nor do I envision any scenario described whereby "lists of people" are generated and passed on to the authorities for whatever reason. I just don't see all of that happening based on this one EO.


then how do they come up with a no fly list?