Here's the Real Explanation of ET -- Not What You're Expecting

Originally posted by RedDragon
You could design the simluation to do whatever you want to do. What are you trying to say?

I think what they are trying to say is that there are limitations.

The real world has nuances that cannot be replicated acurately enough to create anything resembling real.

Which is why I referred to god earlier.

There may be a way to tell simulation or not

One gram of DNA can store 455 Billion gigabytes of Data.

Your premise strikes me as entirely ignorant in showing what you don't know about current technology.

I don't believe we're being visited by space aliens, but, I think it's entirely possible for biological aliens to happen were it to occur.
The distinction between naturally evolved biological and engineered biological are something to be considered. I mean, sheesh, have you even seen the movie Avatar?

This thread makes me think of this graph:

Originally posted by RedDragon
If something inside a simulation is intelligent enough, it can influence things in the simulation to do things that cause interactions with the real reality. That sentience then gets a real body in the real reality and really exists.

Are you for real?

Originally posted by RedDragon

By the way, I dont believe in the simulation theory either

This kind of thinking irritates me to no end. Sorry to say that. But your beliefs don't matter. What matters is what you know and then deducing logically off of what you know.

Beliefs can arise from feelings and feelings don't dictate reality. Logic does.

There are a lot of things I want to believe in: god, the tooth fairy, etc. But I just can't.

edit on 10/28/12 by RedDragon because: (no reason given)

Thought I was saying I DONT have a belief

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by RedDragon

 

My personal opinion is that we're living in a simulation. With the computing power we'll have by the end of the century, we'll have created a near infinite amount of simulations just as 'real' as our world.

In my opinion, a 'simulation' is doubtful.

Day after day, weather erodes the surfaces of buildings, mountains and even the paint on window frames.

Particles are sheared off and blown elsewhere by winds.

*If* our existence was a simulation, would such microscopic details be part of the program? Would the implied intelligent designers include features that dictated one limestone block would erode at a different rate to another? Might they insert some coding whereby some autumn leaves fall later than others?

If I interpret what you are saying correctly, you might be assuming a rather lengthy "if then" statement for every "object". While that might be one approach, more sophisticated methods might be employed to get that level of detail with the only limitatation being memory size. "objects" have "properties". how they interact and behave is determined by how they are defined. so designers would not have to include any details but the objects would be "intelligent" enough to do this on thier own. I really have no idea what I am talking about.

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by Kandinsky
Would the implied intelligent designers include features that dictated one limestone block would erode at a different rate to another? Might they insert some coding whereby some autumn leaves fall later than others?

Oh-oh!....you're talking about god aren't you?

Bet he didn't use DOS for this baby.

God, I hope not! First DOS is an Operating System. Secondly, you would be limited to 256 colors and very choppy and pixilated graphics. Probably limited to one room with no exit. Duke Nukem 3d comes to mind...

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by RedDragon
If something inside a simulation is intelligent enough, it can influence things in the simulation to do things that cause interactions with the real reality. That sentience then gets a real body in the real reality and really exists.

So wrong! You seem to forget that a computer only does what it's told to do from a pre written set of instructions written by a human in the first instance. Any 'sentience' you refer to is an illusion and is just the results of all the instructions.

So, do you believe that the actions of a computer are predetermined?

edit: The reason I'm asking this is because if you believe that to be true then human thought must be pre-determined to. It's impossible for a pre-determined object to interact with an object that has undetermined elements.

reply to post by Druscilla

Of course carbon and biological compounds can be the base of better intelligences than humans. But there are better bases. They'll have their intelligence on the most powerful platform available.

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by RedDragon
You could design the simluation to do whatever you want to do. What are you trying to say?

I think what they are trying to say is that there are limitations.

The real world has nuances that cannot be replicated acurately enough to create anything resembling real.

Which is why I referred to god earlier.

What nuances can't be replicated and why?

Originally posted by Putyournamehere
Originally posted by RedDragon
If something inside a simulation is intelligent enough, it can influence things in the simulation to do things that cause interactions with the real reality. That sentience then gets a real body in the real reality and really exists.

Are you for real?

Of course! It's really easy to imagine. For example, think of the intelligence of a mosquito. They're so dumb that they'll fly towards a light source thinking it's the sun. Now, imagine how much more intelligent you are than a mosquito. You can manipulate/ program the mosquito using your intelligence. If you need the mosquito to move somewhere, you can just turn on a light in that location. For all intents and purposes, that mosquito's body is now your's and the insect-mind that used to control it is controlled by you. In effect, you've turned its mind into one of your body parts.

Imagine a super-sentience on a computer that's that much more intelligent than us. Even though it has no 'body', it could use its mind to manipulate us into doing whatever it wants. We'd become its body. Our mind controls our body; we'd become the body for its mind. That computer has then escaped its simulation.

If you meant that as a joke about me being real or not, well I guess I'm not really real

here is a really good resource for you to read on the same subject, I have seen some very compelling information from time to time posted here. Off to the weather related threads, that is real for me at present.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by RedDragon
What nuances can't be replicated and why?

There is not enough computing power to create each 'everything' down to the last minute detail to create a simulation that would pass as a 'real' world.

Only nature can create these subtle nuances and nothing can genuinely be duplicated. Everything is unique.

You are in video game mode, but infinity mode should be employed. Then you would realise that you are talking waffle and wishful thinking.

Are we talking "The Matrix" or "Terminator". Are we real people in a simulation or a computer program interacting with the real world?

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Originally posted by RedDragon
I'm an open-minded guy.. Honestly believing they will be biological is very close-minded. It's just accepting what you think they will be and not thinking further (logically of course).

saying that they could not be biological is closed-minded.
if you were open-minded, you would know that they could come in many varieties, including biological, technlogical, pure energy, and perhaps many other forms that we can not even comprehend.

Originally posted by kalisdad

Originally posted by RedDragon
I'm an open-minded guy.. Honestly believing they will be biological is very close-minded. It's just accepting what you think they will be and not thinking further (logically of course).

saying that they could not be biological is closed-minded.
if you were open-minded, you would know that they could come in many varieties, including biological, technlogical, pure energy, and perhaps many other forms that we can not even comprehend.

Exactly!! And we know that biological compounds aren't designed for computation. We are biological compounds only because that's what was on the planet when evolution kicked in. So, there are definitely other materials which will make for much better computers.. And the aliens will be those. Possibly one of the other forms you mentioned. Or maybe something we can't comprehend -- but not biological.

Of course they could be biological. Of course we could be in the real reality. Of course pigs could fly.. Think of the odds.

Actually, this was almost EXACTLY what I was expecting. lol. Way to think inside the box. If you manage to involve religion, I'll score 100% on expectations.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
Are we talking "The Matrix" or "Terminator". Are we real people in a simulation or a computer program interacting with the real world?

There's no real difference between the two. All simulations exist in the real world. We will create simulations and they will exist as computer hardware in the real world. Sentiences in those simulations will create their own simulations.. which will then create their own in a cascade downwards.

The terminator is just a matrix that became aware of the real reality and started acting to control it. It used its hardware as a body. Think Agent Smith in one of the Matrix's sequels when he briefly took control of someone's body and started killing people on the ship.

Originally posted by thektotheg
Actually, this was almost EXACTLY what I was expecting. lol. Way to think inside the box. If you manage to involve religion, I'll score 100% on expectations.

Religion involves faith. Faith is the complete opposite of logic. Logic dictates reality. Good luck reaching accurate conclusions when your reasoning process is the complete opposite of what dictates reality!