NSA Analyst Proves GOP Is Stealing Elections

In 2000, late night exit polling for Florida indicated Gore as winner. Next morning the vote had "shifted" to Bush. In a third world country, that's evidence of voter fraud. In US, it's darwinian politics, might makes right. That's in addition to "scrubbing" thousands off the voter roles for various sham reasons, like mis-matching felony records.

Not surprised at all after I followed the primaries and realized the GOP would place the favored constituents to the forefront. This a corrupt two party system and I happily shared the OP's article.

I guess I want to make my stance a little more clear.

With the huge amounts of money being spent on this election, lets face it, people have been killed for much much less than what is at stake for high-rolling donors in both $ and pride. It wouldn't surprise me that people are desperately trying to make their party/team win, even if it means breaking the law, disenfranchising voters, tossing some voter registrations, or hacking into a computer system to tip votes. I think its possible that individuals who are so deeply invested on both sides of this line might cross it to win, and some might even believe they are doing it for Higher Reasons - i.e. their side is so incredibly right that they need to help all the "others" choose their candidate.

peace,
AB

reply to post by AboveBoard


Would you hack a system for a get out of jail fee card, license to kill, license to frame/discredit, x amount of ever printable money and an unlimited credit card? The largest (by far) military in the world and the most economic weight ( not for long) in the world? You may not but a group of people certainly has, and don't any show signs of giving any of it back to we the people.

Originally posted by MajorKarma
Since my last comment was not censored by the "Hall Monitors", I will now go onto frankly and honesty say that I have always had a problem with my vote being made equal to some welfare sucking ghetto trash or immigrant who can't even speak English.

In the first case, I never owned slaves or benefited from them but to the contrary, have been fed upon them all my life as I worked my ass off, paid my taxes, married the woman I had children with and took care of my responsibilities, these welfare dregs have gotten fat and had children like their sole purpose in life was to lay around, collect welfare and bump out babies that also would feed upon me and mine.

Add to this all the immigrants, of whom most are illegal and of whom Obama is their example, champion and role model and I would vote for Romney even if he was a Mormon....hold on, he is a Mormon.

I want Obama and all those with him GONE !

I do believe that at one time in this country you had to own land in order to vote.

Originally posted by Dbriefed
Here in California, Democrat activists have bussed non-citizens and under-18 in by the busload to vote. All political parties have dirty hands, and it's more clear of the dominant party in your area. Here Democrats are dominant, and corruption of Democrats is quite clear.

Please don't make this kind of provocative statement without any credible sources or backup. I've lived in Cali most of my life and have never heard of this type of thing. I want support of any claims not illogical rantings. That is what makes for intelligent discourse.

Please grow up.

Originally posted by MajorKarma
Since my last comment was not censored by the "Hall Monitors", I will now go onto frankly and honesty say that I have always had a problem with my vote being made equal to some welfare sucking ghetto trash or immigrant who can't even speak English.

In the first case, I never owned slaves or benefited from them but to the contrary, have been fed upon them all my life as I worked my ass off, paid my taxes, married the woman I had children with and took care of my responsibilities, these welfare dregs have gotten fat and had children like their sole purpose in life was to lay around, collect welfare and bump out babies that also would feed upon me and mine.

Add to this all the immigrants, of whom most are illegal and of whom Obama is their example, champion and role model and I would vote for Romney even if he was a Mormon....hold on, he is a Mormon.

I want Obama and all those with him GONE !

You have been fed upon slaves? That is both gross and abhorrent. Where were the slave found that you were fed with? In any case you are admitting to being a cannibal. That or you cannot construct a sentence properly. Which is it?

And you are claiming Obama is an immigrant? Wow. Just wow. Where did he immigrate from? Hawaii? You do know that's a state, don't you?

Also, as a suggestion, I'd worry more about corporations and the rich sucking you dry, rather than the poor. But well-paid pundits -- paid by corporations -- tell you that the poor are your enemy. The Establishment is dividing and conquering us and you are buying it -- hook, line and sinker.

Keep up the ignorant, bigoted, specious, mendacious, illiterate diatribes. There's no better condemnation than the self-inflicted sort.

republicans cheat....bush...nixon...



they cheat, truth...wake up


romney cheated ron paul at the rnc...


they cheat...


cheating right now as we speak.

And when people say the Democrats and Republicans are "just a like" I have to think about who's the bigger crook and committing treason on a regular basis.

The Dems might be "good cop" to Republicans "bad cop" but at least they pretend to be rational, believe in science, and occasionally talk about things I care about without trying to intrude into my life (like the moralists).

I have to roll my eyes when the talk of the "deficit" comes around, because how many teachers do you have to fire and warehouse the kids with 200 in a class to pay off $16 Trillion -- which is what the Fed handed the Banksters in just one year (see; Fed audit). We are PRINTING money -- not borrowing it, and we can do that for a while because the banks were overleveraged (de-leveraging) requires floating money (think of balancing the air from the bubble economies).

Tax or don't tax, bail out or don't bail out -- if you are MERELY looking out for your own; Dems put more money and SERVICES in the hands of the working class, the interfere in my life less, and they support consumer protection while the Republicans push for torte reform and deregulation (at the same time), which means poisoning you gets cheaper every year.

So on the pretense of being rational and slightly less corrupt -- I have to vote for Democrats until we've got another party that ISN'T the Republicans.

Originally posted by MrLucky
In 2000, late night exit polling for Florida indicated Gore as winner. Next morning the vote had "shifted" to Bush. In a third world country, that's evidence of voter fraud. In US, it's darwinian politics, might makes right. That's in addition to "scrubbing" thousands off the voter roles for various sham reasons, like mis-matching felony records.

The SOLUTION that the Republicans put forth and the media swallowed (because of advertising dollars), was to NOT have exit polling!

When the 90,000+ voters were thrown off the rolls in Florida (and mostly Democratic voting demographics), it was concluded that NONE of them should have been thrown off.

Let's also add in the statistical analysis that showed that Bush and Republicans ONLY gained an increase in votes over the prior election in areas where electronic voting machines were installed (about 15%).

So let's stop this nonsense that around 500 votes decided the election. The Republicans and the Supreme Court STOPPED the recount when it was starting to get close just by examining the ballots again. Remember, they didn't recount the whole state -- just a couple counties.

Ohio and other states had the same "irregularities". The simple fact is, that Republicans are NOT the majority of voters and if all Dems and all Republicans voted -- Dems would ALWAYS win. Independent voters also slightly more identify with Liberal issues. So where the heck to Conservatives and Republicans pick up the wins? By rigging the system -- nothing new about this. Affirmative action has always been for the privileged and they get offended if someone outside of their clan gets thrown a bone. That's why God and their "Keeping America" interests demand they lie, cheat and steal at every opportunity. Then they feign outrage and insult at any flaw in their opponents to try and distract everyone from their great crimes.

reply to post by idealord


Everyone knows they are. In time, the titanic demographic shift will kill off the GOP, but, for now, they simply can not win fair elections.

I still say it's the voting machines that decide. Not the people anymore. They have remote internal modems. If it was a regular tabulation device it wouldn't necessarily need that. By having that someone can remote into the machine and change the end results if they wanted to. Also people aren't given any receipt as to who they voted for. So it's not easy to poll people as to who voted for who. A vote could be changed and no one would be the wiser. That's why you always see the end result is like 51% to 49% for one party or another. It's always the same end result, very close in the poles. To give you an idea of how fake that is, our last election went something like this.... 1) 56% 2) 31% 3) 13% it was split 3 ways. I find it hard to believe that it would go straight down the middle in the US every time almost 50/50 every time. You think that maybe one year you might get like a 60 / 40 or some shift, but no 51 to 49 every freakin year! It's so obviously BS it couldn't be more poorly orchestrated con job.

Originally posted by gncnew
reply to post by idealord

 

Good lord you people are ridiculous.

The "UK Progressive" is your source, so it MUST be 100% legit...

While the story itself is what it is, there are 1000's of cases of "proof" of election rigging on both sides of the coin - the comments that follow are best demonstration of idiocy.

It's not exclusive to the left, but seriously - any statement that starts with "Everybody knows..." is pretty much going to suck.

I think the prefix "Everybody knows..." is synomimous for "There's No Proof, but I think..."

Or it's "I've read this on the biased source of my choice, thus it must be true..."

THINK PEOPLE, THINK!

You can go to blackboxvoting.org if you actually CARED about the fraud going on.

There's more than just one British Newspaper with evidence of massive and widespread fraud by the Republican party. I read a few every other day.

Registering voters and then throwing out the Dems is done in the thousands -- pretty much trumping a few workers who filled out "donald duck" when a vote would require that Donald Duck show up -- that's if the registration had not already been rejected.

Nobody likes Republicans outside of themselves and the oligarchs who find them useful. 21 out of 22 countries all preferred Barack Obama over Romney -- sure we don't need to elect solely on the opinions of others (and everyone but us are evil socialists, right?). But surely there has to be a point where the "intervention wake up call" needs to get through that Republicans in this country have a big problem.

Here's the list of things you don't HAVE to believe, but will mostly mean you are voting Republican;
World is around 6,000 years old.
Women don't have the right to control their reproductive organ.
Obama is Muslim.
Global Warming is a fraud, of if it isn't, humans didn't do it, and if they did, it will mean more farming.
Tax Breaks increase economic demand.
Wars stimulate economies.
Republicans reduce government, create jobs, and help the economy (historically they've done less than half the reduction, and growth as Dems -- someone isn't keeping track here).
Evolution is just a theory, and Intelligent Design is an equivalent theory.
Mortgage borrowers and not the banks caused the 2008 collapse.

The people who are always wrong, shouldn't get equal time telling people what is right.

Originally posted by r2d246
I still say it's the voting machines that decide. Not the people anymore. They have remote internal modems. If it was a regular tabulation device it wouldn't necessarily need that. By having that someone can remote into the machine and change the end results if they wanted to. Also people aren't given any receipt as to who they voted for. So it's not easy to poll people as to who voted for who. A vote could be changed and no one would be the wiser. That's why you always see the end result is like 51% to 49% for one party or another. It's always the same end result, very close in the poles. To give you an idea of how fake that is, our last election went something like this.... 1) 56% 2) 31% 3) 13% it was split 3 ways. I find it hard to believe that it would go straight down the middle in the US every time almost 50/50 every time. You think that maybe one year you might get like a 60 / 40 or some shift, but no 51 to 49 every freakin year! It's so obviously BS it couldn't be more poorly orchestrated con job.

There is a simple solution to the voting machine problem and it is open source software. No propriatory software should be used in them, the source code has to be public or they will never be trustworthy.

I'm at 1954 posts, once I get to 2012 it will be the end of the world fyi

reply to post by birdlaw


Nope. I wouldn't. I really really wouldn't. I prefer to keep my soul and integrity intact.
But I can certainly understand why someone else might want the power, money and authority you mention, no matter what it costs or who it hurts. We would be foolish to think that power, or the temptation of power, never corrupts. I'm not saying it HAS to corrupt, but I'm not blind to history or to the proclivities of some members of humanity. So I do understand your point, even though it doesn't apply to me. Granted, I've never had that in reach, so its easy for me to stay on my high horse! lol!

peace,
AB

Usually, I like to read every post in a thread before posting my own. But in this case I see a lot of partisan bickering, and this is not a partisan issue at all. So I am skipping a lot of the discussions: I am 100% sure that US citizens, of all types, won't accept a fraudulent election, even if the results favor their political beliefs. Implications that this is slightly acceptable to one group or another -- that's just crazy. Not worth reading...

That said, I see a big problem with the analysis all this is predicated on; the issue of CAUSALITY. Specifically, there may be a correlation between big precincts and Republicans that is accounted for by something OTHER than fraud. For example, big precincts might have different school system, supermarkets, road conditions, any number of other things might cause a big precinct to vote differently from a small precinct. The article mentions income levels, race, population densities as possible variances -- well -- it is more complicated than that. It only takes one statistical marker to account for a difference. and "fraud" is LIKELY NOT the marker.

An NSA analyst would know that, I hope.

Does anyone here know the existing safeguards for computer voting machines? I don't -- but I imagine there are lots of checksums, escrows, byte audits, three person rules, etc.

It is probably a lot harder to cheat than anyone here knows. For example, you get the checksum on the code of a voting machine, and see if the checksum is the same as the code kept in the vault, and then you go through the code in the vault one byte at a time if necessary. That entire end-to-end process is witnessed by three unrelated people. The process is repeated as necessary.

I would think that an NSA analyst would know that also.

I have to say, I think this whole thread is bogus. I hope I am not wrong here.

reply to post by Swills


I'm still writing in Ron Paul for the presidency. If for no other reason...... it's to see exactly how much of a complete fraud our electoral college system is. I say that because I know many of Dr. Paul's supporters are going to do the same.

reply to post by FyreByrd


True but as if that's gonna ever happen.

so many liberals on this board it's crazy. I come here for the other stories, but usually get sucked into reading these political threads that people here suggest that the Dems are sweet and innocent and the GOP is big and ugly. Well, the Dems want to control your life through gov't, but if you are liberal you don't understand that because you can't grasp the concept. I was pretty sure that most of the people here got that, but now I think about 80% of you are liberal. And by the way, being a liberal is a bad thing, it's about the same thing as being fat and thinking your are thin.

So to respond to the OP, that was the worst piece of journalism i've read in awhile. The only reason it was written was to suck you liberals into more talking points. now go ahead and continue on with your brain-washing thread.