Hurricane Sandy Issue

Just listening to the news.

They are saying that the full moon will have a stronger reaction to the tide, causing subsequent flooding etc.

My question, however, is this.

Isn't the moon always full?

Isn't it just the light reflecting from the sun that creates the impression of a crescent (caused by the Earth's shadow)?

The moon is never changing. Just the light/shadow impression it makes.




So why the tides issue?????

ATS has smart peoples.

Please help me out!

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Well bunny, here's all I have on this... I work with kids in a secure setting. When the moon is full they act out more. I asked someone why that was because of the same question you posed. What I was told was that more moonbeams hit the earth when it's full. Whatever the f that is supposed to mean.

I know this probably didn't help you much. I figured I would share though. Sharing is caring.

As I understand it Beezer, the orbit of the moon is not completely circular, it has an elliptical rotation. Sometimes it is a bit closer to the earth than at other times thus altering it's gravitational pull.

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LOL. The moon is always full, yes. However we see it as having "phases" due to the distance and relative position changes between the earth, the sun and the moon. starryskies.com...

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Two words: Apogee, Perigee.

Here is a nice little animation to show how it works.When the moon is "full" it is on the opposite side of the earth from the sun.




The sun and the moon both tug on the water different ways at different times.

Tides are caused by Gravity pulling on the bodies of water on the earth and upon the Earth itself. There are 2 gravitational bodies that affect the tides. The sun and the moon. The Moon is much closer to the Earth so it has a much greater influence upon the tides. Notice that when the Earth, Moon, and Sun are all in a line (Full and New Moon Phases) the high tides are MUCH higher than at other times. These are called SPRING TIDES Also, when the Moon and Sun are at right angles to each other the high tides are lower than at other times. These are called NEAP tides

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It's also been said that during a full moon, more babies are born.

Also ER's seem to be more active.

I've never understood it either.

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Beezzer....I am a Moon Goddess...do not mess with my Moon....

I don't know the answer to your question Beez. But, I've had multiple friends in law enforcement, and employed by hospital ERs, tell me they always assign more staff for full moon nights. They say the crazies come out in full force...

Des Moon Goddess....

Des

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Perhaps the news did not understand what they were saying.

The moon (and sun) affect tides by where they are in relation to the Earth and each other. Get the right line up and we can have very dramatic swings (+/-) in a given tidal period.

With regard to the storm coming to the east coast, I imagine if we get one of those favorable line ups just as the storm surge pushes on the coast, it will compound the effect.

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When the Sun and Moon are aligned on the same side of the Earth the Moon is "new", and the side of the Moon visible from Earth is not illuminated by the Sun. As the Moon waxes (the amount of illuminated surface as seen from Earth is increasing), the lunar phases progress from new moon, crescent moon, first-quarter moon, gibbous moon and full moon phases, before returning through the gibbous moon, third-quarter (or last quarter) moon, crescent moon and new moon phases. The terms old moon and new moon are interchangeable, although new moon is more common. Half moon is often used to mean the first- and third-quarter moons, while the term 'quarter' refers to the extent of the moon's cycle around the Earth, not its shape.

When a sphere is illuminated on one hemisphere and viewed from a different angle, the portion of the illuminated area that is visible will have a two-dimensional shape defined by the intersection of an ellipse and circle (where the major axis of the ellipse coincides with a diameter of the circle). If the half-ellipse is convex with respect to the half-circle, then the shape will be gibbous (bulging outwards), whereas if the half-ellipse is concave with respect to the half-circle, then the shape will be a crescent. When a crescent Moon occurs, the phenomenon of Earthshine may be apparent, where the night side of the Moon faintly reflects light from the Earth.

In the northern hemisphere, if the left side of the Moon is dark then the light part is growing, and the Moon is referred to as waxing (moving toward a full moon). If the right side of the Moon is dark then the light part is shrinking, and the Moon is referred to as waning (moving toward a new moon). Assuming that the viewer is in the northern hemisphere, the right portion of the Moon is the part that is always growing (i.e., if the right side is dark, the Moon is growing darker; if the right side is lit, the Moon is growing lighter). In the southern hemisphere the Moon is observed from a perspective inverted to that of the northern hemisphere, so the opposite sides appear to grow (wax) and shrink (wane).

Originally posted by beezzer
Just listening to the news.

They are saying that the full moon will have a stronger reaction to the tide, causing subsequent flooding etc.

My question, however, is this.

Isn't the moon always full?

Isn't it just the light reflecting from the sun that creates the impression of a crescent (caused by the Earth's shadow)?

The moon is never changing. Just the light/shadow impression it makes.




So why the tides issue?????

ATS has smart peoples.

Please help me out!

Waning and waxing comes into effect ohh and gibbos inbetween.

That's an interesting question. I wonder what the answer could be. The moon causes tides on the part of the earth it's hovering over no matter what. It doesn't magically gain or lose gravity based on how much light it reflects.

Although... I wonder if the presence of the sun behind the earth during a full moon could cause an extra gravitational effect? We do know that during a tide, there is a corresponding one on the other side of the earth. If the moon disappeared, the sun would be in control of tides, even though the force would only be 1/3 as strong.

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You just blew my mind.

ps - okay, I get it now. The new moon and full moon affects the tides more because one has the moon and sun on the same side and the other have them on opposite sides. Since the sun also affects our tides, its position relative to the moon makes a difference.

So it's not because it's full but it just happens to be full whenever the moon and sun are on opposite sides of the Earth.

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Hi Beezer

You're right in your explanation, but the tides are indeed affected by the cycle of the moon. The light we see is an effect of where the Sun is hitting it, in relation to us, but that lining up during New Moon and full moon are what make for optimal gravitational tidal effect.

New Moon is the strongest and then the Full Moon. So the full moon coinciding with this storm definitely makes for a crappy situation if you live near the water. Im gonna head for the mountains now.


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I knew it!
Now to see how that could account for the mental effects. But that would be off topic.

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Scientifically therems no evidence, but statistically there sure is. Cops and hospitals swear by it.

If we are made up of lots of wawa then why wouldn't it affect us?

What I wanna know is, if a Werewolf were on the Lunar surafce like an astronaut, could he ever change back into a naked man?


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Originally posted by EllaMarina
I knew it!
Now to see how that could account for the mental effects. But that would be off topic.

I have been known to get a little crazy around a full moon.

The latest.

As of 10/27/2012 18:00 EDT, water levels from northeast Florida to Maryland are elevated. Water level residuals from Florida to South Carolina are oscillating with the tide and at present are 0 to 0.5 feet above tidal predictions.

However, water levels of 1.5 to 3 feet above tidal predictions have been observed over the past 12 hours at many locations across this region. Water levels from North Carolina to Maryland, including southern Chesapeake Bay are slowly rising and range from 0.8 to 1.7 feet above tidal predictions. Winds from Florida to South Carolina range from 10 to 20 knots with some gusts between 25 and 30 knots. Wind speeds from North Carolina to the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, VA are rising and range from 15 to 30 knots with some gusts to 40 knots. Barometric pressure is falling from northern Florida to Maryland.

Water Level and Meteorological plots available below are updated automatically. Water level predictions relative to Mean Lower Low Water are:

Fort Pulaski, GA: Next predicted high tides are 7.4 ft (2.26 m) at 10/27/2012 19:18 EDT and 8.0 ft (2.48 m) at 10/28/2012 07:35 EDT.

Charleston, SC: Next predicted high tides are 5.7 ft (1.75 m) at 10/27/2012 19:10 EDT and 6.2 ft (1.92 m) at 10/28/2012 07:29 EDT.

tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov...

Two northeasters wrapped up in a hurricane hitting me at high tide during a full moon.

Be careful, everyone!