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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Sissel
So if an armed person abducts you, rapes and murders you while the cops watch, it is ultimately your own fault? I understand the idea of personal responsibilty.
I think the President bears some responsibility for the Benghazi affair.
Originally posted by 2gd2btru
reply to post by Sissel
Obama was in the White House meeting with Panetta at 5:00 PM
aconservativeteacher.blogspot.com...
"According to the President's schedule, on that day he was going to be departing from Bethesda, Maryland at 4:40 PM en route the White House, arrive back to the White House at 4:50, and at 5:00 he would meet (along with Joe Biden) with the Secretary of Defense Panetta. At 7:51 pm we get a report that our compound in Libya has been attacked, at 10:10 pm we get an unnamed administration official saying that Egypt embassy statements don't reflect White House views, 10:38 pm the Secretary of State issued a statement, at 12:09 am Obama spokesman tweets that the White House is shocked by Romney's earlier tweets, at 7:21 am on September 12 Obama issued a statement. (source on statements)"
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Sissel
According to the latest reports, the President was in a meeting with the Secretary of Defense one hour and twenty minutes after the attack. The coded flash messages were sent out at the very beginning of the attack. One would have to be a fool to believe that the President was not aware of what was happening while he was in that meeting. Real time video was available of the attack while he was in the meeting.
Again, it appears that you are deflecting. The security issue before the attack is a problem, but what we are faced with now is information that points to a President that was aware of a terrorist attack while it was happening, and took no action at all.
Originally posted by Sissel
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Sissel
According to the latest reports, the President was in a meeting with the Secretary of Defense one hour and twenty minutes after the attack. The coded flash messages were sent out at the very beginning of the attack. One would have to be a fool to believe that the President was not aware of what was happening while he was in that meeting. Real time video was available of the attack while he was in the meeting.
Yes, and once again, he was informed the day of the attack.........who let the ball drop? Those people should have determined their own fate long before this happened.
Originally posted by butcherguy
Again, it appears that you are deflecting. The security issue before the attack is a problem, but what we are faced with now is information that points to a President that was aware of a terrorist attack while it was happening, and took no action at all.
Intelligence chief James Clapper, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and David Petraeus all know what really happened in Benghazi, Lopez opined.
“This has to be brought out. This has to be made known to the public. That this is going on and that our administration was not only working with the bad guys, was working with al-Qaeda linked militias and jihadis to overthrow [President Bashar Hafez] Assad in Syria, but that they let our mission go down. They let our ambassador and others die. In real time, watching it happen, and they didn’t do anything about it,” Lopez said.
The Benghazi post-mortem cover-up appears to have been orchestrated by Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, investigative journalist Ed Klein told Andrew Wilkow on TheBlaze TV on Wednesday.
“In addition to Valerie Jarrett, the CIA got cables, the Department of Defense got cables, the NSA got cables during the attack on Benghazi, in addition to the emails that have since been made public. We know that there are cables that we haven’t seen yet confirming the State Department cable that this was an al-Qaeda linked attack.”
Strangely, or perhaps not so strangely in the Age of Obama, America’s mainstream media has shown little interest in the atrocities in Libya as it focuses on silly distractions like what Mitt Romney really, secretly, truly, in his little capitalist heart made of coal, may have meant when he used the incomplete phrase “binders full of women” in the heat of an intense presidential debate.
Not much media attention has focused on the fact that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s handpicked chairman of the Department of State’s investigation of the Benghazi atrocities is an apologist for Islamic terrorism who has a cozy relationship with the Islamic Republic of Iran, the world’s leading state sponsor of terrorism.
As Frontpage Magazine was first to report this week, the chairman, former Ambassador Thomas R. Pickering, participated in a panel discussion Tuesday night in Washington, D.C. on “what role the faith community can play in fighting Islamophobia,” a make-believe mental illness. The term is used the same way American leftists use the word “racist” to shut down debate.
Originally posted by butcherguy
It is worse than that. There were AC130 Spectre gunships available nearby, personnel at the consulate were illuminating enemy targets with lasers to facilitate an accurate ere were NO real targets to go after.strike by the gunship...... And help was refused.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by JacKatMtn
What I found interesting is the fact they supposedly had a drone following the events in real time, but they insist they couldn't help them, I don't buy it.
By Chris Lawrence
The U.S. military did not get involved during the attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, last month because officials did not have enough information about what was going on before the attack was over, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said Thursday.
At a Pentagon news briefing, Panetta said there was no "real-time information" to be able to act on, even though the U.S. military was prepared to do so.
"You don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on," Panetta said. "(We) felt we could not put forces at risk in that situation."
A defense official provided more context on Panetta's comments about the decision-making involved in not sending U.S. troops to the consulate being attacked in Benghazi.
He said there was a drone aloft but not directly over the area at the time the attack began.
Originally posted by butcherguy
Again, it appears that you are deflecting. The security issue before the attack is a problem, but what we are faced with now is information that points to a President that was aware of a terrorist attack while it was happening, and took no action at all.
Originally posted by Sissel
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Sissel
According to the latest reports, the President was in a meeting with the Secretary of Defense one hour and twenty minutes after the attack. The coded flash messages were sent out at the very beginning of the attack. One would have to be a fool to believe that the President was not aware of what was happening while he was in that meeting. Real time video was available of the attack while he was in the meeting.
Yes, and once again, he was informed the day of the attack.........who let the ball drop? Those people should have determined their own fate long before this happened.
The administration has been sucking up to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, a 57-state (56 sovereign states and the Palestinian Authority) group that considers itself the Caliphate reborn.
Pickering is a member of the advisory board of NIAC. He was Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs from May 1997 through the end of 2000, according to a 2009 report titled “Rise of the Iran Lobby,” by Clare M. Lopez of the Center for Security Policy. He’s also vice chairman of international consultancy, Hills & Co., and co-chairman of the board of directors of the International Crisis Group (whose executive committee includes George Soros).
“Ambassador Pickering’s positions on Iran include calls for bilateral talks without preconditions and a plan for a multinational uranium enrichment consortium in Iran,” Lopez writes. “Iran has proposed a similar plan to the UN Security Council. Ambassador Pickering advocates a process leading to mutual diplomatic relations between Iran and the United States.”
“U.S. national security policy is being successfully targeted by Jihadist entities hostile to American interests,” she writes. One of these groups, NIAC, is involved in “a de facto partnership” with its better known but more notorious jihadist ally “the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and other organizations serving as mouthpieces for the mullahs’ party line.”
This network “includes well-known American diplomats, congressional representatives, figures from academia and the think tank world.” NIAC and its predecessor group, the American-Iranian Council, have long “functioned openly as apologists for the Iranian regime.”
CAIR is an affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood and was named by the Department of Justice as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 2007 and 2008 Holy Land Foundation trials
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
“This has to be brought out. This has to be made known to the public. That this is going on and that our administration was not only working with the bad guys, was working with al-Qaeda linked militias and jihadis to overthrow [President Bashar Hafez] Assad in Syria, but that they let our mission go down. They let our ambassador and others die. In real time, watching it happen, and they didn’t do anything about it,” Lopez said.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
HUH> 57?
Weird
Originally posted by 2gd2btru
reply to post by Sissel
I don't necessarily agree with the total timeline reported by the Conservative Teacher, as the emails clarify the times.
He was informed. According to the emails it was unfolding in the White House situation room, nss.eop.gov (National Security STAT. Executive Office of the President), We now know via the emails that the initial message sent out reporting the attack at 4:05 pm eastern daylight time from the Department of State. It originated either with the State Ops Center or the Diplomatic Security Watch. And who received the message? “@NSS.EOP.GOV” means National Security Statt.Executive Office of the President. That’s the White House, probably the chief of the watch in the Situation Room.
This happened an hour before Obama had his meeting with Panetta, and you are saying no one thought he should check it out or know? I doubt those emails were ignored. If they ignored needs to be fired for dereliction of duty.
Let me help you with some of the terms. “SES_DUTYDEPUTIES” and S_SPECIAL ASSISTANTS refer to senior State Department personnel. SES is the acronym for Senior Executive Service. These are the equivalent of General Officers in the military services. “S” is the abbreviation for the SECRETARY of STATE. In other words, Hillary and her assistants were notified. The Bureau of Counter Terrorism was notified. The White House, the FBI and the Pentagon were all notified that an Al Qaeda group, Ansar al Sharia claimed credit for the attack.