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Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by elouina
The reason I am not watching the videos is because I am not in America as I have stated in two posts in this forum on this page above your post. For those who do not already know the internet does not run as fast in every part of the world like it does in the US. A 5 minute speech can take 30 minutes to buffer depending on the traffic and near impossible when it starts cuting out. Does that make it easier for you to understand?
I would love to have a fast reliable connection here but I probably wouldn’t be on ATS if I did.
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
Well, well, well... look what a little digging netted. Here is an article from kuna.net (Kuwait News Agency) quoting General Ham. This just gets more interesting all the time.
from 4/23/12
"General Carter Ham warned Monday against a real danger in the African continent resulted from smuggling of large quantities of weapons out of Libya."
Arms Smuggling from Libya Threatens Africa--Africom Commander
Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by milominderbinder
This is one thing I don't understand, if there is anything you can get obama on it's F&F. Perhaps the news cycle for that has run it's course though so Fox isn't keen on touching it? F&F could be verified, this can't, but I will concede that even if this is true it may be difficult to get verification as that documentation is likely to be classified.
Obama takes 'offense' at Benghazi claims
President Obama says his administration is still investigating the attack on U.S. Consulate in Libya, and is offended at suggestions that it did not do enough to protect American targets there.
"Anytime a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans who were serving our country get killed, we have to figure out what happened and fix it," Obama said in a taped interview with MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"But," he added, "I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven't tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed."
Originally posted by milominderbinder
Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by milominderbinder
This is one thing I don't understand, if there is anything you can get obama on it's F&F. Perhaps the news cycle for that has run it's course though so Fox isn't keen on touching it? F&F could be verified, this can't, but I will concede that even if this is true it may be difficult to get verification as that documentation is likely to be classified.
Exactly. It's a shame...this administration has some very REAL problems and has engaged in some very REAL activities which are disturbing to say the least. The NDAA, the NDRA, F&F, are few of these.
Unfortunately, those most opposed to Obama make themselves seem far less than credible by being so "outraged" at things that they have ZERO EVIDENCE of ever having occurred in the first place. The sad part is that in the hype of a bunch of unsubstantiated allegations about Benghazi the whole country forgets about the things that they COULD ACTUALLY hope to hold the gov't responsible for.
Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
well duh, kinda hard to get rid of links to gun smuggling if you send help to keep him alive? hahaha it wasnt an accident people, wasnt a terrorist plot, i wouldnt be damn surprised if the ones attacking were not cia themselves. welcome to the black market of nation building. he got what was comming to him, thousands of people died or were shot with those guns in a planned coup with rebels. lets just hope the same is returned to obama, he knows whats going on, he just bailed out his buddy running guns to mexico.
New Libya PM presents cabinet in test of democracy
Zeidan was elected on October 14 after his predecessor, Mustafa Abu Shagur, was dismissed in a vote of no confidence when the GNC rejected his cabinet line-up as unrepresentative of Libya's numerous factions.
Zeidan nominated Ali Aujli, Libya's ambassador to the United States, as foreign minister
Clinton Seeks Fundamental Changes in American Foreign Policy
Images of the charred U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, flashed around the world as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton entered the Treaty Room in Washington and spoke about the deaths of four Americans there.
“Today, many Americans are asking, indeed I asked myself, how could this happen?” Clinton said. “How could this happen in a country we helped liberate in a city we helped save from destruction? This question reflects just how complicated and at times how confounding the world can be.”
As she visits Algeria and the Balkans on what may be one of her last overseas trips as the nation’s top diplomat, Clinton is also confronting her legacy, and whether it will be framed by the Benghazi tragedy or her vision that American foreign policy in the 21st Century must utilize social media, coalition- building and export promotion as well as military power.
Originally posted by JacKatMtn
There is so much very slanted blogs, hitpieces etc, on both sides of this issue, so I am doing my best to avoid the noise. All I want is the truth, and I still can't help but think it is being withheld from the public.
I believe that pieces of the puzzle are still surfacing despite the efforts to play down what happened in Benghazi, and I hope that more and more folks who have a conscience will let the truth surface.
If not for the public, at least for the family's of those who lost their lives that day.
A decent timeline of events can be seen in Brett Baier's special report from this past weekend, which includes updated information from the past week.
The only thing we know FOR SURE is that Chris Stevens caused the deaths of 50,000 civilians by orchestrating a civil war as an illegal alien about a year and half before being named "ambassador".
What we DON'T KNOW is who the other players might have really been. What if Stevens was also acting as a double agent for Israel or the KGB? Remember FBI agent Robert Hanssen and hottie Anna Chapman?
Seriously...isn't it time we stopped regarding the CIA as being "Americans" in the traditional sense?
I think your post is slanderous - a hit piece intended to taint the reputations of those who died needlessly at Benghazi at the hands of an inept and corrupted presidency!
First you call Chris Steven's a mass murderer - then he's a traitor (and by implication so were his confreres) who is to be crudely compared to the likes of real traitors such as "Robert Hanssen and 'hottie'? Anna Chapman"! Why didn't you throw J Pollard in there for extra measure?
Seriously...isn't it time we stopped regarding the CIA as being "Americans" in the traditional sense?
That all sounds good until you give it a little thought.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by NickDC202
there was no WELL ORGANIZED campaign. The President and Hillary said "we are looking into it" the Ambassador jumped the gun and said it was the video -- because 50 miles away, there were protests about the video.
I initially figured it was about US military attacks around the world on Muslim people.
But the motivation was not known, and from the transcripts I've read, this "nailing it to the wall and saying it was the video" was done by Fox News and other outlets jumping on the response. You've heard a lot more reporting of the reporting than you've heard ANY from the White House.
I read it, and the Government responded to criticisms by reclassifying, and retracting and admitting that in Libya -- it's really hard to tell what is going on.
So I'm not seeing a conspiracy to paint the incident from anyone but the usual NeoCons, Breitbart and Fox News.
All four them were CIA operatives...
Originally posted by JacKatMtn
Here's a piece with the President commenting on the Benghazi attack from this past weekend:
Obama takes 'offense' at Benghazi claims
President Obama says his administration is still investigating the attack on U.S. Consulate in Libya, and is offended at suggestions that it did not do enough to protect American targets there.
"Anytime a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans who were serving our country get killed, we have to figure out what happened and fix it," Obama said in a taped interview with MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"But," he added, "I do take offense with some suggestion that in any way, we haven't tried to make sure that the American people knew as the information was coming in what we believed."
There is so much very slanted blogs, hitpieces etc, on both sides of this issue, so I am doing my best to avoid the noise. All I want is the truth, and I still can't help but think it is being withheld from the public.
I believe that pieces of the puzzle are still surfacing despite the efforts to play down what happened in Benghazi, and I hope that more and more folks who have a conscience will let the truth surface.
If not for the public, at least for the family's of those who lost their lives that day.
A decent timeline of events can be seen in Brett Baier's special report from this past weekend, which includes updated information from the past week.
Add in a couple more pieces which are the two top dogs .. AFRICOM Gen Ham (relieved, now reported to be retiring), and the Fleet Commander Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette being replaced (pending the outcome of an internal investigation into undisclosed allegations of inappropriate judgment.)
This is starting to sound, at least in my mind, how the initial response when the F&F scandal erupted and alot of the key players were suddenly reassigned to DC or other areas...
By now everyone knows (or should know) that BH Obama, has lied through his teeth regarding the role played by the US government with respect to the smuggling of armaments and munitions to al Qaeda in Libya and Syria. It seems that Chris Stevens really was working with the CIA (as some here have suggested) and it also appears that the CIA provided arms and ammunition to al Qaeda and to several other Islamic jihadist's such as the Muslim Brotherhood, the purpose of which was to infiltrate, and to take down several targeted governments in the middle-east. All this with the direct knowledge of the president.
SO - The big question here is - was Chris Stevens in Benghazi to head up a US gun running operation to al Qaida jihadi's - similar to Fast and Furious - only on a much greater scale? In other words, was Ambassador Stevens the US operational officer in a gunrunning operation to al Qaida linked groups - an operation gone sour? And more importantly - did BHO - along with the cooperation of the CIA - personally and deliberately set up Stevens and the others, Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods and Sean Smith to die? - as other recent threads of mine seem to suggest See here --> The real reason behind Benghazigate - Was Obama gun-walking arms to jihadists?
and here --> BHObama PERSONALLY Arranged Benghazi Trip That Resulted In Murder Of US AMB Chris Stevens and others
Looks that way from here!edit on 30-10-2012 by Vitruvian because: txt
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by NickDC202
there was no WELL ORGANIZED campaign. The President and Hillary said "we are looking into it" the Ambassador jumped the gun and said it was the video -- because 50 miles away, there were protests about the video.
I initially figured it was about US military attacks around the world on Muslim people.
But the motivation was not known, and from the transcripts I've read, this "nailing it to the wall and saying it was the video" was done by Fox News and other outlets jumping on the response. You've heard a lot more reporting of the reporting than you've heard ANY from the White House.
I read it, and the Government responded to criticisms by reclassifying, and retracting and admitting that in Libya -- it's really hard to tell what is going on.
So I'm not seeing a conspiracy to paint the incident from anyone but the usual NeoCons, Breitbart and Fox News.