Meteor? Or...

reply to post by defcon5


That's exactly what's happening.
And, as the link I posted in my first reply states, it can last for days, so expect it to be there for a while (if it hasn't already).

reply to post by JrDavis
If the outbound frequency hits an object that is moving it will change to another frequency according to how fast that object is moving. If there is no shift in frequency then its just a bounce back into the receiver and there was no “real” object.

reply to post by defcon5


Ah that makes total sense.. So due to the lift there is a false reading.. Which is the signal that is being sent out from the station and being reflected back in due to the lift?

So there has been some meteors that hit then..

So would we measure the white line as a meteor but then it's repeated back showing the long tail?

Or could the measurement be the lift?

Although it kinda makes sense to me I don't quite get how to differ meteor from false lift reading.

reply to post by JrDavis


A meteor reflects over a range of frequencies, so it appears as a spike running from left to right (perpendicular to the direction of what's seen on the graph now). Since the graph is tilted for a 3D perspective, it's hard to give clear description. If you look closely at the graph, you'll see the side at the front/right side labeled "frequency." Meteor spikes run in that direction, covering more than one frequency.

The false return is the line running along the time axis that we see now. It occurs at only one frequency... the frequency that Meteorscan sends out to bounce off meteors (except now it's bouncing back off the atmosphere).

reply to post by JrDavis

Phage how can you tell what is a meteor and what is a false reading.

I did.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Id also like to be able to read this and know if it's normal or not normal for the readings to be the way they are.

I don't see anything abnormal. Just some earthquakes.

reply to post by JrDavis


If you'll notice, at the bottom of the Meteorscan site, it shows what a meteor looks like. Notice the direction the spike faces, and notices the direction the spikes in the false return face. They're perpendicular. That's how you tell.

reply to post by JrDavis

This creates this typical triangular shape you can see here.

That is what you are looking for. The change in frequency over time gives the spike a triangular shape.
www.meteorscan.com...

reply to post by JrDavis


It works on “Doppler shift”, just like police radar guns. When you send out a wave, and that wave hits a solid moving object, the wave changes its frequency when it is picked back up by the receiver. If there is no moving object, and the wave is just reflected back, then it will not have changed frequency any. So right now, its sort of like its shooting into a mirror (for lack of a better example) that is reflecting the signal back at it with the same frequency.

If you don't understand what “Doppler shift” is, think about how a trains horn changes pitch as it's approaching, passes, and moves away from you.
en.wikipedia.org...

Here's how it looks at the moment.



Wow that's a good look !

reply to post by randyvs


So that is something?

Not a false positive?

A nice triangle?

reply to post by JrDavis


I just seen a yellow peek like a pick, it wooosh up and down again.

reply to post by timetothink


That would be a meteor.

reply to post by CLPrime


so now you say meteor? not weather?

reply to post by JrDavis


hmm i wonder if this might be related?

Spy Satellite Fell From Orbit October 17, 2012 from ZS Livingstone (Oct. 22, 2012)

[Editor's Note: The military doesn't want us to know that they use spy satellites with nuclear power reactors, so when they decay and break up while coming down to earth, they get the media and their BS artists in officialdom to spin yarns about falling meteors. While the Illuminati manufactures radiation hysteria about Fukushima which doesn't actually exist (in order to scare people away from nuclear power and into the arms of natural gas producers), they never tell you about these hidden sources of ionizing radiation. ZS says that while it's possible that plutonium was involved with this satellite, it's more likely a less dangerous isotope like thorium . ..Ken]

earthsky.org...
youtu.be...

Massive Fireball, Loud Boom, Over Northern California/San Francisco Area Oct 17, 2012
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Early in the morning of October 18, 2012, I saw a report of a meteor falling off the coast of San Francisco. There was a video reported to have been made by a camera at the Lick Observatory in San Jose. The video was five minutes showing a body breaking into three larger pieces with small explosions and gas ejections, far too long for a meteor fall. It looked like a smaller version of the Space Shuttle Columbia break-up upon re-entry.

The SpaceWeather site where I first saw the meteor report wrote that the meteor entered the Earth's atmosphere at 14 kilometers/sec. Most meteors falling past the Earth on comet orbits are travelling three or more times faster and disintegrate in the upper reaches of the atmosphere in one to two seconds. This object fell into the stratosphere and troposphere causing a sonic boom heard by many in the Bay Area. While there are meteors that do enter the atmosphere at 14 kilometers/second and they are in a near earth orbit around the sun. this one was most likely a failed spacecraft.

This meteor was triangulated from two All Sky camera positions to have been falling in a north north-east direction and it was guessed meteorites would be found in the Marin County area. As the NNE inclination is a favoured spy satellite orbit and it was seen falling for five minutes, it most likely entered the atmosphere at 10 km/sec or about 18,600 miles per hour or low earth orbital speed.

The Lick Observatory video was suspicious on a few counts. The falling meteor was locked firmly into the center of the video frame never wavering. The tracking mechanism was sophisticated yet the video was out of focus. On such a camera, a crystal sharp focus would be automatic. From the perspective of Lick Observatory the video was falling south...meaning it was not taken from San Jose. It needed to have been taken from at least 100 miles west of San Jose from a ship or aircraft. There was a reflective "brass sphere" in the video image slightly ahead of the meteor reported to be part of the Lick Observatory dome. No observatories in the world have anything reflective inside the dome. Everything is painted matte black. The brass sphere is more likely on a specialized military tracking aircraft wing.

This spy satellite may have been as large as a bus and strongly built as it did not fragment the way the Columbia did.

One day later I watched a Dutchsinse video from St Louis. Another YouTube blogger in the same area reported a radiation spike in a recent rainfall. Dutchsinse duplicated the experiment with two Geiger counters and found mid-range elevated radiation.

It is well known that there are nuclear powered spy satellites. Thirty years ago a Russian Cosmos spy satellite fell in northern Canada. A specialized US Air Force crew was on the spot within hours scraping radioactive snow and ice into barrels. Most of the satellite was at the bottom of an ice covered lake. Everything was taken away.

It is likely the San Jose meteor spewed radiation which was carried by the jet stream across America.

If Plutonium was powering thermo-electric cells then millions were poisoned. Uranium is not as toxic as Plutonium but still deadly. Hopefully the nuclear fuel was Thorium and will dissipate quicker.

The reported Marin County crash area is more than likely NOT where the spacecraft fell. Wherever it fell there would have been USAF crews gathering up the pieces within minutes. If it fell in the ocean the Navy would be doing the gathering, processing and disposal.

Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone

reply to post by cheesy


Randyvs posted a picture of the false return signal (the line running along the Time axis). At the end of that signal is a peak (triangle shape) turned perpendicular to the false return signal. That's a meteor. Several meteors were detected by Meteorscan over the course of this thread, but they don't have anything to do with the false return that this thread is about.

This is so cool.....love learning new stuff!

Thank you all!

Very informative thread with good responses. I know I've learned a ton of things I had no clue about before. Thanks.

Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by TheSparrowSings

 

The link is fixed.

The "lift" is just what the increase in conditions is referred to as. Propagation can be increased by any number of conditions (such as temperature) in the Troposphere.

We had an X1 solar flair...haven't yet read thread sorry if repeating.

October 23, 2012 ... The sun unleashed a powerful solar flare late Monday (Oct. 22), releasing waves of radiation

www.csmonitor.com...

Just for fun....what would it look like if some big ole ships were entering the atmosphere? Does that show like a meteor? Would it be on HUGE spike?

Originally posted by CLPrime
Though, there may very well be the occasional meteor mixed in there, though they will always spike perpendicular to the false return we're seeing (meaning they cover a broader range of frequencies).

Exactly.

Here's a screenshot on which I've marked a meteor detection with an arrow.



I'm not 100% sure what is the cause of the interference (I still have a lot to learn when it comes to radio meteor detection), but it may be what is referred to as "Sporadic E".

Sporadic E or Es is an unusual form of radio propagation using characteristics of the Earth's ionosphere. Whereas most forms of skywave propagation use the normal and cyclic ionization properties of the ionosphere's F region to refract (or "bend") radio signals back toward the Earth's surface, sporadic E propagation bounces signals off smaller "clouds" of unusually ionized atmospheric gas in the lower E region (located at altitudes of approx. 90 to 160 km). This occasionally allows for long-distance communication at VHF frequencies not usually well-suited to such communication.

Source: wikipedia

It might also be that it's just interference from something on the ground.

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Just for fun....what would it look like if some big ole ships were entering the atmosphere? Does that show like a meteor? Would it be on HUGE spike?

It might look like a meteor if the ships are ionizing the atmosphere around them, and the more the ionization the bigger the spike. Otherwise, big ole ships aren't what the system is designed to detect.