hate to be a killjoy

But exactly why are you learning bushcraft? do you really think that we will be put back into the stone age? Do you really think that overnight that the world will have devolved 200 years?

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It might not happen overnight ,but when it does you will find your ipad tastes like crap

learned while growing up - we didnt have all the high tech toys that people have today .. its also come in handy many times over the years... my only condescentions to modern tech now are solar panels to charge my mobile and run the lights in my house and clinic... otherwise live much as my ancestors did in 17 th century japan ... prefer a simple quiet life ...

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hmmm. Well, I probably do not have the expertise to reply, because I don't have bushcraft skills, but I do have opinions as to why it is not such a bad idea for people to learn to survive in this way.

Think about what would happen, if there was some kind of event that resulted in:
- economic collapse that results in mass starvation and homelessness
- social unrest that results in terrorist-type groups ruling and those trying to salvage any kind of peace and security heading into the wilderness
- EMP or major asteroid strike, or any other event that results in the disruption of the power grid, shutdown of commerce, shutdown of human services...
- pandemic that results in little of a scattered humanity remaining, resulting in the shutdown of commerce, people heading into the wilderness to protect their remaining family from exposure

In the event that any of these things occur, and it is possible that any of them could, it is those who have basic survival skills who will have the best chance of surviving and protecting their families. Those who know weapons, for both protection and hunting, will be the least likely to starve. Those who can grow their own food, and heal their own wounds, will be the ones who are not dependent upon supermarkets and hospitals which may no longer be functioning.

Those who know how to survive in the harsh wilderness will have a better chance than those fading away in mass fema camps. Heading away from populated areas will be the best way to survive in any such event.

It does not hurt to learn these skills. Some do it because they enjoy it. They are the ones who will survive.

......yeah... I would be doomed

And this:

www.wnd.com...

Congress told: U.S. life 'unsustainable' after EMP

Congress today was told that the Department of Homeland Security hasn’t identified an electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, event as a serious national security threat to the nation’s grid system even though testimony revealed it could making living in the United States “unsustainable” for 70 to 90 percent of the population.

Yes, it seems Congress realizes what the loss of technology would mean to our civilization, and that it is a real possibility.

But they are not doing much about it.

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Well, I could actually go into a long drawn out personal story about this. Instead I will remind people of Hurricane Katrina.

This was a natural disaster which knocked out power, water, heat, shelter and food.

For some people it was a long time before help came.

If more people in this situation had been prepared with just the basics of "bushcrafting", they would have faired better and perhaps some of the casualties would have survived.

It doesn't have to be a world changing event to warrant the knowledge of survival skills. It only needs to be something adverse that affects you and your family.

BT

Originally posted by pellian
But exactly why are you learning bushcraft? do you really think that we will be put back into the stone age? Do you really think that overnight that the world will have devolved 200 years?

Yup, I do

It happened, less than a decade ago and you have forgotten already. Let's just say that the infrastructure across North America isn't in the greatest shape...

www.thedailybeast.com...

Even greater threats can be found among the decrepit corporate-owned infrastructure, including high-pressure oil and natural-gas pipelines that can explode without warning, electric power poles long past their replacement dates, and a telecommunications system that is far less reliable today than it was two decades ago—despite customers paying more than a half-trillion dollars for upgrades.

America’s infrastructure gets a grade of “D” from the American Society of Civil Engineers, which recommends that we spend $2.2 trillion on repairs and maintenance.

www.fcm.ca...

The upward trend of the municipal infrastructure deficit over the past two decades points to a looming crisis for our cities and communities and ultimately for the country as a whole. The deficit continues to grow and compound as maintenance is delayed, assets reach the end of their service life, and repair and replacement costs skyrocket. When compared with earlier estimates, the $123-billion figure clearly shows the municipal infrastructure deficit is growing faster than previously thought.

I'm not a "the end is nigh" kinda person but I do have plans for my family in case of disaster, natural or otherwise. I'd rather be prepared than caught unawares thinking that everything is A-OK and something like the Blackout of 2003 could never happen ( again ).

What is bushcraft? Is it how to survive in the bush? We have no bush here. Survival skills are valuable right now. You could find yourself in the "bush" without war or panic. All you need is to break down in the middle of nowhere.

Originally posted by pellian
But exactly why are you learning bushcraft? do you really think that we will be put back into the stone age? Do you really think that overnight that the world will have devolved 200 years?

I'm not sure you have thought this through. 200 years ago there was a solid infrastructure in place. There were large cities throughout the world supplied by farms with ample farm equipment, labor, and beasts of burden. Commerce was active. By and large people had enough to eat and, though they did not have electricity, were completely functional and well-housed.

Actually, the same was true 2,000 years ago. Maybe not QUITE as much technology, but still, life was considered "civilized," especially if you lived in Rome.

But if all that infrastructure fell apart, it would be more like 20,000 years ago, except with the starving zombie masses trying to take whatever you had away from you by force. The grocery and drug stores would empty in a few days. Your transportation would be as far as the gas you had in your tank. And my guess is those who were armed would be taking out the local wildlife for meat at a rapid pace, whether it was deer or or rats.

So if the SHTF, it would be a whole lot worse than 200 years ago.

Originally posted by pellian
But exactly why are you learning bushcraft? do you really think that we will be put back into the stone age? Do you really think that overnight that the world will have devolved 200 years?

I dunno, ask somebody in any of the former Soviet Bloc states that went without power, utilities or groceries for weeks, and sometimes months. Ask the people in NOLA after Katrina, Homestead after Andrew, or the Northeast during any number of blizzards over the past couple of decades.

How about rural Cubans? What about Russia at the turn of the Century? Brazil after their epic collapse?

What about just having an alternator go out on the I-22 corridor between Tupelo and Birmingham and finding out your cell phone is dead? Or maybe going off into a snow bank near the Continental Divide?

What if you just simply want to pass down a skill to your kids, because sometime in the next hundred years, it might be useful a time or two, even for a short while?

I'm sure that there are people out there that can pull communities together to make it through a rough time. Troublemakers would have to be banished from the communities or eliminated. This would include the people who are presently running the communities into the ground and can't help themselves or others. You would be surprised how many people in high social standing would do anything to stay that way. These are the ones we have to watch the most. People will do anything to keep their way of life and social status. Including watch people suffer and die while they live a good life and weasel pennies out of others. This is the way it has been for at least two thousand years, nothing has changed.

Read a few books about how the average person survives in North Korea.
Read a few books about what it is like to live without electricity and farm.
Read a few blogs about going without power for two weeks after a hurricane.

Bushcraft is a past time and hobby for some. It is a survival skill for others.

Mostly people learn it because they like it.

To quote a friend of mine: Forget about TEOTWAWKI - do you believe in winter or bad economies?

Who needs a solar panel to charge your phone when it won't work anyways.
How many of you have a ham radio?

Don't dis bushcraft,lots of good info there.

Originally posted by kdog1982
Who needs a solar panel to charge your phone when it won't work anyways.
How many of you have a ham radio?

Do
n't dis bushcraft,lots of good info there.

edit on 23-10-2012 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)

granted - after tshtf my mobile wont work ... in meantime aside from the occasional monks wandering through the area or the periodic patrols by the vietnamese army along the border area here its my only way of keeping up with the outside world... when it goes out for good no loss am used to a time before all the high tech toys... its a convenience at present ...

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Yeah,I can understand that,and I remember a time not that long ago when we didn't have these phones.
I get fussed at all the time for not carrying mine with me all the time.
I hate cell phones.
But now it is a necessity.

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This is the vision pertaining to the true catastrophe that is ahead and not just an economic collapse.

The world will not devolve 200 years but rather...............................the fire will burn up the majority of everything. It will be difficult to breathe because it will hurt in the burning heat and lack of oxygen. There will be no available food giving rise to cannibals unless you are bought and living inside the designated safe zones protected by government. The price for this fleshly reprieve from the hell on earth will be your soul courtesy of the beast that will be reigning at that point. There won't be many of those safe zones by the way because the world will be in such waste and ruin, but the protected cities will be huge and equipped with mighty technologies to protect their divisions and domain. Those existing outside these safe zones are the terrorists and rebels of the system of the beast. Those who refused the mark.

The remainder of the world will not even be able to cope with the level of destruction. So to say that we will be set back 200 years is a compliment. The reality is that almost no one will be able to survive properly or grow crops. The majority of the water in the world will be toxic and death will surround life.

Understand that most people come from the cities and they have gone to the grocery stores to buy food and supplies all their lives. The true art of survival is left only with a few. More likely we will be set back thousands of years to a point where people have to actually learn how to truly survive without any knowledge or tools. This will be about something entirely different and not just survival. The end of time and the judgement of decision will be at hand for the souls upon the world.

What is coming............................no one will be prepared for.

Originally posted by Egyptia
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This is the vision pertaining to the true catastrophe that is ahead and not just an economic collapse.

The world will not devolve 200 years but rather...............................the fire will burn up the majority of everything. It will be difficult to breathe in the burning heat and lack of oxygen. There will be no available food giving rise to cannibals unless you are bought and living inside the designated safe zones protected by government. There won't be many of those by the way.

The remainder of the world will not even be able to cope with the level of destruction. So to say that we will be set back 200 years is a compliment. The reality is that almost no one will be able to survive properly or grow crops. The majority of the water in the world will be toxic and death will surround life.

Understand that most people come from the cities and they have gone to the grocery store to buy food and supplies all their lives. The true art of survival is left only with a few. More likely we will be set back thousands of years to a point where people have to actually learn how to truly survive without any knowledge or tools.

What is coming............................no one will be prepared for.

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So,may I ask,what is coming.
And if what may come happens,no use in preparing ,right?
Enjoy and cherish what you have now.

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I would like to see just the hydro go out in your city for 2 weeks and see if you have the same reply ?

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Yes kdog enjoy and cherish what you have right now. Hold tight and remember love, compassion and sacrifice. Leap beyond the box of life and all it's deceptions. It won't be for a while yet but it is coming. Take heed and listen to what your soul is beckoning.

Salvation is for the purpose of this specific world and all it's children. We have lived in death and destruction long enough. The universe can only take so much and we have been guilty of much pain, suffering and sin in our rebellion against our Creator.

There is a purpose in all things but there is much beauty to all that is unfolding and coming undone for the purpose of balancing the universe that we have tilted.

The fight is over your soul with fire coming in judgement.