Maui residents craft legislation to ban geo-engineering 'chemtrails'

This is from Sept. but I didn't see it posted on ats yet. If it is it should be a sticky....

(NaturalNews) The mainstream news media has been quietly releasing an increasing number of stories these days that openly admit the existence of geo-engineering programs, including accounts of various chemical and particle release programs similar to the "chemtrail" operations that those dubbed as conspiracy theorists have been warning the public about for years.

Consider this recent report in Scientific American, for instance, which speaks openly about plans in the UK for an advanced new device that will pump toxins in the atmosphere to promote atmospheric "cooling." The article references how the new design is much more efficient and less expensive than "launching thousands of high-altitude aircraft" to do the same task (www.scientificamerican.com...).

There is a plethora of additional information and reports out there as well that confirm the existence of geo-engineering and chemtrail programs, many of which have been shown to already be in use, not to mention thousands of eyewitness reports and independent particle tests.

The full story

Yeah, yeah I know Michael J. Murphy is behind it and I know the shill view of him. However that is not so much the Important part as the link where S.A. seems to have common knowledge that and I quote. "Even when scaled up, the team expects the simple design to cost around $5 billion, in comparison with the $100 billion needed to launch thousands of high-altitude aircraft"

Wonder how they knew that if us 'chemmies' are so out of our minds???

Just a matter of time before yall eat your words.....

That's pretty funny.
Not many "chemtrails" on Maui (not much in the way of high altitude flyovers and the tropics aren't often conducive to persistent contrails) but Murphy has convinced people they're being sprayed.

But whether increased sulphate compounds in the atmosphere is the result of deliberate spraying or general pollution is unclear. When probed for evidence, supporters have not been able to identify dispersion patterns and quantities of the purported materials in question. Believers are also unable to answer questions regarding the effects of upper level wind fields, saturation levels and the number of flights it would take to yield measurable concentrations in specific target zones on the ground.

themolokainews.com...

So if the Maui county legislation passes it will mean...what? That planes flying over Maui county will have to stop doing what they aren't doing?

Originally posted by GoKill

(NaturalNews)
Consider this recent report in Scientific American, for instance, which speaks openly about plans in the UK for an advanced new device that will pump toxins in the atmosphere

Ethan Huff of naturalnews keeps up his 100 percent record of lying to his readers.

The Scientific American article makes no reference to chemtrails in any way at all.
I particularly dislike the way he takes an article on climate engineering tests and conflates that with the idea of chemtrails. As if one proves the other. To Ethan Huff, anyone putting anything in the air becomes proof that chemtrails are real.

Originally posted by Phage
That's pretty funny.
Not many "chemtrails" on Maui (not much in the way of high altitude flyovers and the tropics aren't often conducive to persistent contrails) but Murphy has convinced people they're being sprayed.

Yeah, it's quite hard to find photos of contrails over Maui. Most of the Maui "chemtrail" videos seem to be of normal clouds, not even contrails.

Most of the contrails they will see will be close to the horizon, and at a sharp angle.

This image shows 24 hours of traffic over 30,000 feet around the Hawaiian islands.
contrailscience.com...

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Awesome job! Glad to see some people doing a great job raising awareness of the geo-engineering campaign being done against us.

Haven't been on Maui in a while, though I can see it most days, so I don't know what may be going on there. I can say that the Big island is completely clear skies. Never once have I seen a "persistent contrail" on this island.

However, I have heard of and even seen them on Oahu. Comparable climate, so take that as you will. Seems odd that some islands have them and others don't.

Just throwing it out there...I've seen a few in the last 2 weeks over Oahu. They were all at very high altitudes and all were traveling West -East. I've never seen as many persistent contrails as I have lately. If they were North-South I'd be even more worried because there's no reason for high altitude air traffic to be flying north-south over Hawaii.

I think it's weird that there's any at all. Planes just don't usually fly over Hawaii at high enough altitudes to cause contrails.

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There is a new toy in town.
www.hawaiinewsnow.com...

reply to post by Phage

So, the F-22 is possibly the cause of the persistent contrails on Oahu, or just the increase in them that ZeroReady is talking about?

It's a phenomenon that has occurred for a while, though I'm not sure when the F-22's entered service over Oahu.

reply to post by VariableConstant

Possibly. He said "a few in the last 2 weeks". Doesn't really fit the common description of the "spraying".
But the rainy season is approaching and the weather would be somewhat more conducive to contrails. Any fronts pass through in the past few weeks?

Contrails over Oahu are caused by the Japan flights out of Kona. Those are the only flights that have enough time to get to an altitude that would allow a contrail to form. All the other flights are either still climbing, or already descending add they pass Oahu. The F-22 probably isn't leaving them because they circle over the island and head north to their training range. They're way too low to at that point.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by VariableConstant

 

Possibly. He said "a few in the last 2 weeks". Doesn't really fit the common description of the "spraying".
But the rainy season is approaching and the weather would be somewhat more conducive to contrails. Any fronts pass through in the past few weeks?

edit on 10/23/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Actually, there was a front that came through, finally pushed out the vog and sent some nice waves to the north-facing shores, so that's something to consider.

reply to post by Zaphod58

Not sure they need to do much circling. Don't know the climb rate but...
www.youtube.com...

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When they depart, they turn right to clear Honolulu, which is a standard departure. HiANG training flights keep turning right and come over the island, and head over the Haleiwa/North Shore area. I used to watch them back when they were flying F-4s and T-33s. This had been the standard departure for them for years, because their training area is off the North Shore of Oahu. Even the KC-135s follow this departure when flying locals.

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Looks like the planes in the video went pretty vertical. I don't think an F-4 can do that.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Contrails over Oahu are caused by the Japan flights out of Kona. Those are the only flights that have enough time to get to an altitude that would allow a contrail to form. All the other flights are either still climbing, or already descending add they pass Oahu. The F-22 probably isn't leaving them because they circle over the island and head north to their training range. They're way too low to at that point.

Plausible for the ones seen over Oahu, but would that explain the reports from Maui?

Seems like planes leaving Kona take off to the south, so they would have to make a fairly sharp turn to end up over Maui.

reply to post by VariableConstant


Maui would see a few from the flights going into Kauai. They would still be high enough to leave an occasional contrail, and they have many flights a day going into Kauai from the West coast.

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The F-4, F-15, and F-22 are all capable of vertical departures. They VERY rarely use them because of the fuel cost. I remember once watching four F-15s go vertical, and it was one of the only times I ever saw more than one do it in almost 30 years. The normal departure is to circle over the island and save fuel.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by VariableConstant

 

Maui would see a few from the flights going into Kauai. They would still be high enough to leave an occasional contrail, and they have many flights a day going into Kauai from the West coast.

Again, that would make sense, but at what point do they fly over the islands? Do they stay to the north of Big Island before flying over Maui?

I'm genuinely curious, as you seem to know a bit about this subject. I've never seen a persistent contrail from any part of the Big Island, not even from the northern point of Mahukona. But I have seen then over Oahu, and heard of them over Maui (though never seen them myself).

reply to post by GoKill

Yeah, yeah I know Michael J. Murphy is behind it and I know the shill view of him.

And what view of him do shills have?

Is it the view that he is trying to blow chemtrails up everyone's backside yet he can't show proof of their existence?

Now the question I have is what is the connection between supposed chemtrails over Hawaii and the SA article you are linking to?

U.K. Researchers to Test "Artificial Volcano" for Geoengineering the Climate

Did you actually read the article?

Just a matter of time before yall eat your words.....

If this ever happens be sure to make mine medium rare please, but I don't think we have to worry about that anytime soon....