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You seem to be agreeing with my point. "Stings" require the subjects to be proactive. You don't get innocent people accepting explosives from anyone or partaking in terror planning with anyone unless they are up for it in the first place.
Analysis years later concluded this attack was probably attempt to salvage torpedo boat disabled 2 days earlier
LBJ Tapes on the Gulf of Tonkin Incident
Source: John Prados, The White House
By late afternoon the comings and goings at the White House and the Pentagon had put the press on notice that something was going on, and leaks became inevitable. Shortly after 5:00 P.M., President Johnson talked to McNamara again. This time they shared the news that the Associated Press and United Press wire services had both put out the story that another attack had taken place in the Tonkin Gulf. LBJ now approved an official Pentagon statement on the supposed attack (although as recently as twenty minutes earlier McNamara had been meeting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff to "overcome [the] lack of a clear and convincing showing that an attack on the destroyers had in fact occurred" he Joint Chiefs of Staff approved a message ordering execution of the retaliatory bombing and it was sent out at 5:19. A follow-up NSC meeting took place an hour later. That meeting gave pro forma consideration to the alleged North Vietnamese attack and the retaliation, again not taking into account the doubts of the on-scene destroyer commander, Captain Herrick. The White House meeting also tabled a prospective resolution approving the use of force by Congress. LBJ raised the matter of a resolution at a briefing of senior legislators which began at 6:45. The administration supplied a text as discussed by the NSC and then between LBJ and the legislators, and that draft became the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which was subsequently used to justify the entire U.S. war in Vietnam.
Robert McNamara, in a conversation with Vietnamese Commander General Vo Nguyen Giap, also concluded that the August 4, 1964, incident had never occurred. That is now the general consensus among historians of the Vietnam War
Originally posted by OutonaLimb
Yes. All actors and co-conspirators, along with the rest of the 'victim' family member
public spokespersons.
Jersey Girls Con
Post taken from 9/11 Actors
We have been had Dave. Bigtime.
Originally posted by OutonaLimb
Nice. See this link (I posted earlier in the thread)
proving over and over again that 9/11 was a faked media extravaganza with fake
terrorists, faked plane crashes, and most shockingly of all, faked victims (as per operation northwoods).
That is why you do not see 20,000+ surviving family members baying for blood over what is,
even after a superficial glance at the 'evidence', a government conspiracy.
One has to wonder why the U.S. government (and its cohorts) were so clumsy.
Perhaps they were meant to be implicated!
A shame, but very telling.
And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around. That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by usernameconspiracy
And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around. That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.
These "fake victims" type of nonsense should not have any effect on rational people. Personally I get very annoyed by it but freedom means that people have the right to believe whatever they want.
I look at it this way.. People that don't believe that man walked on the moon have no effect on rational people that look at the universe and see no reason to think that earth is the only planet with life..
Originally posted by OutonaLimb
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by usernameconspiracy
And that is a prime example as to why the truth movement has fallen apart. It was taken over by people who, somehow, believe the whole thing was faked. No planes, no victims, no terrorists. Just a few empty buildings to demolish with no witnesses (other than the fake ones) around. That is what rational thought has been taken over by. At least space lasers didn't make the above list.
These "fake victims" type of nonsense should not have any effect on rational people. Personally I get very annoyed by it but freedom means that people have the right to believe whatever they want.
How many bodies were recovered on 9/11 again?
What about the bodies above the 'collision points' at WTC1 and 2?
Shouldn't they have remained pretty much in tact?
There were NO bodies recovered anywhere! None!
Were they all dustified? Or were there no bodies there in the first place?
Explain the masses upon masses of photoshopped 'victim' photographs!
You cannot under your worldview.
The world was duped. Full Stop.
Would the thousands that must have been involved in the 9/11 conspiracy sooner
cooperate in a mass murder of their own citizens or in a mass hoax?
Go through the links I posted to educate yourself on the real nature and extents of the 9/11 hoax.
I look at it this way.. People that don't believe that man walked on the moon have no effect on rational people that look at the universe and see no reason to think that earth is the only planet with life..
What a silly comment.
The apollo program is a hoax, based on photographic evidence and physical contraints.
NASASCAM
Isn't it funny how the people who ridicule 9/11 conspiracy fact are usually
the same people who deny the chemtrailing agenda and insist that the
moon landings were genuine.
Stinks to high heaven.
Pfft!
edit on 24-10-2012 by OutonaLimb because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NWOwned
Are these people real?
Well, are they?
Cheers
It concluded that this attack never happened and that they knew that it never happened on the same day.
People died AND are these 'people' seen JUST HERE in this one clip, are THEY real?
Because if they're not then it might help to explain how the others did die and just who might be behind it.
While there was no attack does not mean North Vietnamese forces were not in area
The Maddox was actually on an intelligence mission off the northern coast, carrying with a van of extra communications and electronics gear along with a complement of specialists from the Naval Security Group, a naval complement to the National Security Agency. Their task was to intercept North Vietnamese communications. The ship was in international waters when attacked, but had been inside territorial waters claimed by North Vietnam when Hanoi's torpedo boats were sent to sea. Vietnamese authorities have disclosed that the response was ordered by local commanders without reference to Hanoi.
So we have one confirmed attack and one misinterpetation of the situation.......
"Look at this guy's arm hanging out the tower... I don't think that's a real arm on a real guy..."
In fact I've been in pain and mourning for 11 years *somebody* did it and it looks like they got away free. This one guy says "Hey, look at this..." I look at it rationally, rationally I see he might have a case for what he is saying JUST ABOUT THIS ONE CLIP. Not about my dead wife or any other poor souls unlucky enough to perish that day.