Girl dies after drinking an energy drink

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by SpearMint

No where did I suggest that everyone should do what I did, and no where did I attack anyone. Too much IS dangerous to anyone, but "too much" varies from person to person.

 

So is too much magnesium (muscle cramps) or vitamin d (toxicity), should you be ranting about that as well?

Well first of all I'm not ranting, and second of all, if a product was sold that contained close to dangerous amount of either then something should be done about it. If you're going to argue, make a sensible argument.

reply to post by SpearMint


I didn't say you did , that is the impression IM getting from your replies to other peoples posts. That's why asked.

A question is not an accusation, it is just that, a question. There are a lot of things in life that are dangerous, some you can learn from word of mouth,books,class, and some you have to learn the hard way. Sometimes the hard way just ends in a fat lip or broken bones, sometimes it ends in death, the worse kind of lesson. The drinks are 2.50$ to almost 4 dollars for the talls where I live, that's 5-8 bucks a 14 year old spent on drinks, who bought the drink, who gave her the money to get the drink, and they had to have seen her drinking it or they wouldn't have known it was monster? Is that why the parents are suing, because they feel guilty for killing the daughter?

Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
reply to post by SpearMint

 

I didn't say you did , that is the impression IM getting from your replies to other peoples posts. That's why asked.

A question is not an accusation, it is just that, a question. There are a lot of things in life that are dangerous, some you can learn from word of mouth,books,class, and some you have to learn the hard way. Sometimes the hard way just ends in a fat lip or broken bones, sometimes it ends in death, the worse kind of lesson. The drinks are 2.50$ to almost 4 dollars for the talls where I live, that's 5-8 bucks a 14 year old spent on drinks, who bought the drink, who gave her the money to get the drink, and they had to have seen her drinking it or they wouldn't have known it was monster? Is that why the parents are suing, because they feel guilty for killing the daughter?

I don't know the details regarding what the parents knew, but like I said, I don't think they have a case.

Originally posted by SpearMint

Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by SpearMint

No where did I suggest that everyone should do what I did, and no where did I attack anyone. Too much IS dangerous to anyone, but "too much" varies from person to person.

 

So is too much magnesium (muscle cramps) or vitamin d (toxicity), should you be ranting about that as well?

Well first of all I'm not ranting, and second of all, if a product was sold that contained close to dangerous amount of either then something should be done about it. If you're going to argue, make a sensible argument.

Foods high in sodium
Comprehensive sodium guide
Sodium in McD's burgers

What does sodium in high doses do?

Link 1.
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Mother murders her child with salt.

reply to post by boncho


An average adult needs to eat around 200g - 300g of salt for it to be POTENTIALLY lethal. If a drink is sold that contains around that in a can then it's a problem. Again, sensible arguments please, if you must argue...

Originally posted by SpearMint
reply to post by boncho

 

An average adult needs to eat around 200g - 300g of salt for it to be POTENTIALLY lethal. If a drink is sold that contains around that in a can then it's a problem. Again, sensible arguments please, if you must argue...

edit on 23-10-2012 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)

The girl in the OP did not die from the stated ld50 of caffeine, so you cannot quote the ld50 of salt. The girl in the OP died because of a preexisting condition that made her susceptible to health complications when taking stimulants.

The stimulant didn't necessarily have to be from an energy drink, or even have to be caffeine for that matter.

But my argument is no different than yours. As someone with a preexisting condition, can die from salt intake. And there are foods that are sold with the recommended daily limit in one or two servings.

Enter renal issues:

Other sodium-related complications include the following:
Edema: noticeable swelling in your legs, hands and face
Heart failure: excess fluid in the bloodstream can overwork your heart making it enlarged and weak
Shortness of breath: fluid can build up in the lungs, making it difficult to breathe

Salt and kidney disease.

Caffeine and salt both have positive effects in people in proper dosages, and both can cause fatal complications in people that are sensitive to them.

There is really nothing for you to nitpick out of my argument.

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I wouldn't really call it an argument, it's irrelevant.

Originally posted by SpearMint
reply to post by boncho

 

I wouldn't really call it an argument, it's irrelevant.

It's entirely relevant. If someone on dialysis went and ate 3 Big Macs and subsequently died of a heart attack, would you think that McDonalds should be sued in the wake of that?

I agree with the labelling, and the drink did have warnings on it. I don't agree with banning or making it age restricted. This case is pretty simple, the mother and the doctor were responsible for making it known to the child that they shouldn't consume stimulants, and that they should follow certain diet restrictions.

Of course, saying one thing and leading by example are two entirely different things. And judging by the picture of the mother, I doubt she was the epitome of self control to begin with.

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I don't agree that anyone should be sued, the point of this thread has nothing to do with the case itself.

All i have to say is that her parents should have been more aware of what their daughter was drinking especially if she was around them i don't think pre teens need energy drinks and i dont think its any good for anybody but people still eat,drink and do things that are bad for them.... but this is really sad....that she had to loose her life over something like.

Water FTW

hmm wait... 480mg per 0,7l can... that makes something arround 68mg per 100ml.

There are no regulations in the us, in europe there is 32mg/100ml... I think it is the same for Japan, I could only find 32mg/100ml there...

I heard of an energydrink called redline. When I red about this one I really shook my head. It is so strong, that you will get seizures and stuff like that

I love red bull.....If I had even a mild heart condition I would stop. Since I don't, bottoms up!

I absolutely love that stuff.....it's like sludge from future rama....

Let's make caffeine Illegal! Then, we'll never be allowed to talk about it here on ATS

I foresee a minimum age requirement to buy these drinks in the near future. They will be treated like cigarettes and alcohol and require ID to purchase.

lot of good points in the thread, though I skipped a few pages so if anyone posted similar info, I apologize

I'm lost on liters for the most part because I've never had to use them day to day, but this chart put it into perspective for me


Source: NBC10


My two thoughts (or cents)
1. She had a pre-existing medical condition. The parents don't have a case.
2. Why do we even need energy drinks?? I have a lot of opinions on why they exist.... but for me personally, I'll stick with my 3 to 5 cups of coffee per day, brewed at home (if I go out for coffee, 2 is usually my limit because more than that I start to feel sick)


I don't even know what a monster/redbull/whatever tastes like - and I never will

I drank 6 cans of redbull one evening when out drinking with vodka. So stupid. I woke up the next morning and my heart raye was really high. I ended up thinking i was going to have a heart attack and went to a and e. ended up having panic attacks for about two,years after that. All triggered by that one night. Bloody horrible. I hate energy drinks.

This girl and family should have read the warning labels. They should have known that caffeine can be dangerous in high amounts. Also, if this girl had a heart condition, SHE should be monitoring her diet and her food intake, its like a diabetic monitering his blood glucose levels, if his glucose level is low and he needs sugar, he isn't going to go and drink two cans of Monster

honey boo boo juice = not good for you

when i first tried an energy drink yrs ago
i spit it out second after and never bought another one after that

but i know people who drinks 12 cans a week ..
how can people drink that sh**
they seem to really really like it because of all the cafeine that is inside
that will "give you wings"
sound like an arrogant jk of your soul flying away from you body when you died

For the record, most cups of coffee contain at the very most 200 mg of caffeine, so not 8-10 cups of coffee, two or three maybe.