BEHIND THE VEIL: Never-Before-Seen Footage of Secret Mormon Temple Rituals

Originally posted by Mysticblade
Jehovah and Elohim as two separate Gods ? That's a new one on me. I , wrongly it seems, assumed they were just different names for the same entity. Also, unless I am mistaken, isn't "Elohim" a plural word in Hebrew ?

Ya know what? No One Knows.

All we have is MAN's words and interpretations.

Until "God or Gods" - - - make a defined and personal appearance - - - we do not know.

Even then - - - we would not know if they are "Gods" in the religious sense of Creator.

What one believes is personal on to them. To argue who is right is ridiculous. No One Knows.

Originally posted by FeelingPure
reply to post by TheMaverick

 

It seems Scientology is the most logical religion in our days, i guess, i don't know what do you think op?

seriously?

Have you ever been to one of their "churches"?

I know you wern't speaking to me, but i felt it necessary to reply anyways...

Theres nothing logical about scientology

I've been to one of their churches, and sat through the innital presentation that they try to sell you...

Scientology is nothing but brainwashing, pure and simple... they seem to believe you can just remove your bad memories just by telling someone and that person saying "clear"...

Pure garbage in my humble opinion...

At least mormons follow the words of jesus.... Their book of Nephi has entire chapters that were taken verbatim from the KJV bible

Originally posted by Annee
There are at least 3500 official "Christian" sects in the USA alone. Each has its own difference on the story of Christ and Christ is their savior.

Actually, the number is a lot higher than that (closer to 35,000) but it's a misconception, because it is extremely skewed by Congregational Polity religions (which are mostly the Baptists) that have no overarching hierarchy and so every single church is a separate denomination.

Mormons are Christians too. Christ is their only Savior. Only in my experience Mormons feel insulted if you call them Christians.

They don't like you calling them that because they are not Christians and they don't claim to be.

Just because someone claims an affiliation with Christ doesn't mean that they are Christian.

Originally posted by adjensen

I usually look up numbers - - but I've got a very short person here distracting me

They don't like you calling them that because they are not Christians and they don't claim to be.

Are you Mormon?

They are Christian. Christ is and always has been their only Savior. I am not going to nitpick the differences.

Originally posted by Akragon
Their book of Nephi has entire chapters that were taken verbatim from the KJV bible

Where was the KJV bible taken from?

It's not like its an original work someone can plagiarize.

Annee right it's far from a original story, instead of typing it out, this pic explains a lot.

Religion design by man to manipulate men.

Originally posted by Annee
Are you Mormon?

No, but I debated becoming one for some time, so have done a fair amount of research, including reading the BoM and D&C.

They are Christian. Christ is and always has been their only Savior. I am not going to nitpick the differences.

The easiest way to determine if a religion is Christian or not is to see how their baptisms are treated by the Roman Catholic and mainstream Protestant churches. In the case of LDS, their baptisms are not considered Christian baptism, so a Mormon that left that church and wanted to join, say, the Methodist church, would need to be baptized. Not re-baptized -- there is no such thing -- but baptized the first time.

Why not? Simple -- Mormons are not Trinitarians, so their baptism "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit" doesn't mean the same thing that it does in Catholic or Protestant religions. Just the simple fact that Mormons are openly polytheistic should be sufficient indication that they are not Christian.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
Annee right it's far from a original story, instead of typing it out, this pic explains a lot.

That's completely bogus -- the Horus comparison to Jesus is passed off as true, but almost all of it is incorrect.

Here's a typical refutation -- scroll down about 1/2 way to see a point by point rebuttal to your graphic (look for red text.)

Originally posted by adjensen

No, but I debated becoming one for some time, so have done a fair amount of research, including reading the BoM and D&C.

Yeah - - well I was Mormon for 5 years and also as a newbie did a lot of research.

ReligiousTolerance.org lists Mormons as part of the Christian grouping.

Even though "traditional Christians" - - try to make their claims (excuses) as to why Mormons are not Christians - - AND Mormons think "traditional Christians" lack information and real knowledge. They are still Christians.

They only worship Christ. Christ is their only Savior.

I tried doing research but this is sacred to those that are Mormons, as a non Mormon I simply did research on the founder, Joseph Smith, now did he not complete his initiation as a master mason, then the next day found the religion ?
This would explain all of the borrowed handshakes and code words, no matter how sacred, why so secret ?

Originally posted by TheMaverick
Annee right it's far from a original story, instead of typing it out, this pic explains a lot.

Religion design by man to manipulate men.

Hey! I'm now Atheist. A result of my many years quest for truth in religion.

I'm of the Ancient Astronaut thinking. Not an omnipotent "guy in the sky" to worship.

reply to post by TheMaverick


Yeah. The Catholics call this confirmation.
Nothing new here.

Originally posted by phinubian
I tried doing research but this is sacred to those that are Mormons, as a non Mormon I simply did research on the founder, Joseph Smith, now did he not complete his initiation as a master mason, then the next day found the religion ?
This would explain all of the borrowed handshakes and code words, no matter how sacred, why so secret ?

There is so much mis-information on the net in regards to Mormons - - - chances are most information found is garbage.

Its one of those things you have to really know about before you start searching. You really have to know what you are searching.

My husband was born and raised Mormon - - - so he helped direct me in my research.

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive

Originally posted by Unrealised
Funny.


I've been to a mormon wedding (of a friend) and the 'consecration' (baptism) of his 3 children, and none of this happened.

You didn't do any of this in a temple though. Most likely just their church. If your not a member in good standing you aren't allowed into these temples.

You know this for a fact? Please show me.
Mormons are Christians you know. Its not some off the wall religion.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
Annee right it's far from a original story, instead of typing it out, this pic explains a lot.

Religion design by man to manipulate men.

Remarkable (not to mention other similar myths as well).

There is is - - in "black and white".

Yet - - Christians will never accept it.

reply to post by Annee

I'm of the Ancient Astronaut thinking.

My study's of religion and opinion brought me to the same conclusion of the ancient astronaut theory.
A forgotten past, a species with amnesia, i love graham hancock work, also Lloyd pye intervention theory makes a lot of sense to me.

I was raised a catholic, but even as a kid and taking a great interest in space religion never sat well with me afterwards.

Originally posted by Annee
I really don't see it any different then Christians wearing a cross. Mormons don't wear a cross because it focuses on Christ's death - - rather then a living Christ.

And that's where you're wrong. It's not about "his death" but rather the sacrifice he made to save mankind from evil. So when you wear a cross, you're showing that you remember what he did and are grateful for it.

But other then that, I could care less about the Mormon church. I added my reply and what I thought, what I read.

Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by TheLieWeLive

Originally posted by Unrealised
Funny.


I've been to a mormon wedding (of a friend) and the 'consecration' (baptism) of his 3 children, and none of this happened.

You didn't do any of this in a temple though. Most likely just their church. If your not a member in good standing you aren't allowed into these temples.

You know this for a fact? Please show me.
Mormons are Christians you know. Its not some off the wall religion.

That's right.

Not even all Mormons can go into the temple. Or want to.

You have to have a "recommend". A "recommend" is issued by your Bishop - - if he feels you qualify.

Not every Mormon gets a "recommend".

The Temple is special for those who are devout in their faith and follow all the laws/rules of the church.

Do Mormon's accept the fundamental Christian teaching of the Trinity? The Christian doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons:

God is the Father
God is the Son
God is the Holy Spirit

The three are one in the same essence. According to this doctrine, there is only one God in three persons. Each person is God, whole and entire.

Do Mormon's fully accept this teaching?

This is a question that has a yes or a no answer.

When i was about 12 years old and my sister 2 years older, we were invited to their church ( Mormon ) by our friend and her family, so we went. There were singing and praying, pretty much same as in Lutherian seremony we were used to. After the seremony me and my sister were asked to one room, we were sat down and male talked about their religion and what is sin etc, this took about hour and to me it was more like a brainwashing and i kept asking to permission to leave many times.
Next week there were many brochures of the mormon belief in our mailbox and they kept coming, my parents were really upset as they thought we were going to Lutherian service. My father thought it was very unethical to sell these teachings to children and i agree with him.