Egypt wants Iran to share The Bomb

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
It is one thing to talk cheaply on a poll and quite another thing to actually get what you want. You may not like it, not when it truthfully is a damocles sword hanging over their head, as it had been for decades for the west.

To understand why the Egyptian masses, or a few of them as in the polls behaved as they did, you need to study the history of modern Egypt.

To cut it short, simple and brief - 2 forces - Mubarak and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Mubarak is a greedy pig and overstayed his welcome in power. Not only that, he supressed his dissenters, none other than the Muslim Brotherhood brutally. It is only natural the MB fights back, and of course, their rather fundamentalist concepts of Islam is not much accepted by the rulers then, and majority of masses equally now.

What's priceless about this post is you admit Mubarak caused where Egypt is today. You say how bad he was and kept the people down etc.

I agree with you but one aspect you overlooked and one that will probably cause you to retract your POV is that Mubarak was funded by the USA for 30 years!!

The military dictatorship that kept the people of Egypt down and poverty ridden was funded almost entirely by American tax dollars!

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reply to post by buster2010

"Nice how you overlook the ethnic cleansing Israel was doing that led to the "invasion".”

Nice how you overlook the '1 million Jews forced out from Arab Countries'

A poll of a tad over 800 seemingly random people in Egypt conducted on behalf of Israel concerning Iran and nuclear weapons? Seems a level playing field. No cause of bias here....

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by beezzer

 

Do you think the Extremists would feel less hatred toward the Western world if our government would tend to mind their business rather than deploy troops to their region?

I honestly think they hate us because we're there. Sure they may hate that we're whores and sell our soul for a dollar in our capitalist system, but if we weren't always trying to instill OUR ideas onto them, I think the hatred would cool down quite a bit.
What do you think?

 

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I only say this because of my experiences with people in the ME, and the knowledge gathered from interactions with people in the ME since the 1970's.

Extremists want us dead because we exist. We are an affront to their beliefs.

Just look at Baptists in America! It's not enough to allow different beliefs. There has to be an elimination of any dissention.

What??

I'm a Baptist and I have no idea what you are trying to say here, but it sure does feel like an insult. I would not ever insult a persons religion, as long as the person/people are not hurting or infringing on me or my beliefs I take no issue what-so-ever. I honestly do believe that some people make very wrong assumptions and generalizations about so very many things. It sounds ignorant quite frankly.

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by beezzer

 

Which is why every effort should be made to ensure Iran does not gain nuclear weapon capability.

I'm not advocating military intervention and I'm uncertain of the morality and effectiveness of sanctions but if Iran gains nuclear weapons then it won't be long before other nations in the region will demand them too, for various reasons.

I for one feel very uncomfortable about such weapons being in the hands of religious extremists and a Middle Eastern arms race would pose a threat to global security.

I totally agree with you..If Iran does get nukes, than all the other coutries around in the middle east are going to want nukes also..It's very unstable out there..Just think about it, lf those extremists with Nukes, and another "innocence of muslim" movie comes out?? Do you seriously think we can trust these islamists?? Knowing there stupididy they would use it or do something stupid, look at all these protests.. So, I think the US should step its game up and not allow Iran, or surrounding countries to have nuke capabilities at all.
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reply to post by beezzer

Just the opposite. A proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East is begging for war.

A proliferation of nuclear weapons anywhere in the world is begging for war. Really if you have problems with nuclear weapons start closer to home..

reply to post by live2beknown


How does calling them extremists help. Selling out your country to a bunch of bankers is just as extreme as selling out your country to a bunch of religious fanatics...

reply to post by beezzer

The extremists have shown a complete disregard for innocent life. I can imagine them using a nuke just to illustrate a point

Do you mean just like when the bombs were dropped on Japan?

reply to post by live2beknown


Middle Eastern arms race would pose a threat to security...LOL

Look who has supplied a huge amount of extremists in the Middle East with weapons.
Look who has exercised their military capabilities, look who has killed tens of thousands in single bombings.

Unsure of the morality of sanctions, oh F it let's not LOOK WHAT SANCTIONS REALLY DO! Kill people through the removal of life's necessities. Let's use Iraq as an example....when we imposed sanctions against them during the Persian Gulf War, over 500,000 children died. But why would the United States, the knight in shining armor, allow 500,000 kids to be killed?

I hope the Middle East gets nukes. Flex those muscles. We need to be pushed back into our own corner. But the banking cabal has their smell!!!!

Let me tell you something; YOU, people like you in the United States, you are the extremists.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


What about it? It sucks for Japan. Losing a War is a bad idea, especially when the entire Japanese civilization in that day was like the Muslims today. I guess you missed the stories of whole villages killing themselves so they didn't have to ... I don't know, face defeat.

The invasion of Japan would have been appalling in regard to our casualties. We had a Nuclear weapon; it was a perfect time to use it on a fortified island nation that we would have to have had to fight for every square inch we gained, and we would have paid with blood for every square inch fought for.

200,000 dead Japanese ( whom I remind you resided on a military logistical target extravaganza ) was worth saving 200,000 American lives. With those two bombs, we obliterated much of Japan's ability to fight while saving hundreds of thousands of Allied lives and money.

Losing significant military infrastructure in such a short and explosive amount of time, with the Russians advancing in China, and a massive allied armada that would be needed to take Japan (fully), beat them into submission; saving us, again, lots of lives and money.

Nuclear bombs on Japan? 100% worth it. Without a doubt.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by xxdaniel21
Who has been the only country in the world to ever use "the bomb" domestically?

Domestically?


China, India, The US and Russia [Formerly the USSR].

Linky here...

Sorry, it was a bad word i used. I was thinking of a word, and domestically didn't truly reflect what i meant.

I meant who has used it on civilians. "domestically" just popped up as it annihilated homes and neighborhoods. It wasn't strategic at all. You may feel inclined to bring up pearl harbour, but wait one minute. That was an attempt to release themselves from the oil embargo that was practically strangling their country. They attacked a military installment (there was civilian collateral damage) - not a town OF civilians

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Oh i agree! And that makes perfect sense that you shouldn't feel guilt for the sins of your country's past. ALTHOUGH, you're talking about a fear on a personal level. Everyone is afraid of nukes. I'm with you on that.

But all i'm saying is that you must understand that there are consequences for actions. Whether or not we admit our mistakes doesn't make everyone just say "it's okay, we'll forgive you". There are nutcases, and the US has to realise that what is done is done, but i find it a tiny bit ironic that the country that adopts this "world police" attitude, is the only one to use a bomb on civilians.

At the end of the day, i don't want to see anyone with nukes either, but i try to be an equal person, and to me - the US is no different to Israel is no different to Iran, is no different to Russia. What goes for one, goes for all. I mean, the US still has at least 1 nuclear weapon in it's hands, no?

reply to post by xxdaniel21


Nations aren't equal. Obama is an idiot, if you look at his plan, he is trying to make the nations "equal". Every nation should fear America. We should carry a very big stick and keep our mouth shut.

If Iran having Nukes is not in the interest of the United States, then we should keep them from Nukes, whether we have to declare war or not. The only nation looking out for the United States is the United States.

If Iran having Nukes jeopardizes the national security of the United States, its allies, or our interests. War it should be ( if all else fails).

If Russia gets involved, fine. God will decide who wins. If you don't believe in God, then the natural cycle of civilization will take hold. Rome fell, USSR fell, Ottoman Empire fell, Persia fell. America should fear NO country. Whats the worse that is going to happen? We die? Really? What makes you special?

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by xxdaniel21

 

If Iran having Nukes is not in the interest of the United States, then we should keep them from Nukes, whether we have to declare war or not. The only nation looking out for the United States is the United States.

edit on 22-10-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

You know, that sounded incredibly like the wikipedia article i once read on fascism. "Maintains interest in own nation using any means necessary. i.e. including conquest of other nations"

Besides, who said iran having nukes should jeopardize the united states OR its allies? That's a complete fabrication.

Iran have said they are researching nuclear power - they've also shared opinions of the validity of Israel as a middle eastern nation. They mix politics with their religious ideology.
But have they actually threatened israel? Or is that just an avalanche of speculation?

On another note, did you know if you guys spent less outside your country, you could probably still defend your great nation within the confines of your coastline? You could remove this "offensive defense" and quite literally make a powerful "defensive defence" and have some money left over What about China and Russia? Do you see them knocking on iran's door every 2 seconds?

Or am i just listening to too much Ron Paul?

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by beezzer

 

Of course they want the bomb and that's because they view their neighbors & especially the USA as great threats.

I love polls.

Israel and the US are seen as more threatening than Iran | Arab opinion poll

english.dohainstitute.org...

March 06, 2012

The Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies (ACRPS) recently published the Arab Opinion Index report for 2011. The Arab Opinion Index project is currently the largest of its kind. It covers 12 countries, representing 85 percent of the population of the Arab world. The Index compiles the findings of 16,173 face-to-face interviews with subjects who were drawn from a random, representative sampling of the populations of their countries of origin. An estimated 35,000 human work-hours were spent completing the surveys which will contribute to the final, detailed statistical report

On a related note, the ACRPS will soon begin preparations for a further survey of public opinion in 2012 and plans to release the results at the end of this year or the beginning of 2013.

Some of the more important highlights of the survey that are included in the preliminary report are:

Answers show that a clear majority of Arabs support a democratic form of government, believing in the importance of a transfer of power.

Most respondents describe themselves as religious, while rejecting clerical influence in politics.

71 percent of respondents expressed faith in their countries’ armies; 47 percent trust their governments (the executive arms of), and 36 percent showed trust in their countries’ legislative bodies before the revolutions.

83 percent of respondents say that corruption is widespread in their countries.

Only 19 percent of respondents believe that their countries’ legal systems treat all citizens equitably.

73 percent of respondents believe that Israel and the US are the two countries presenting the largest threat to the security of the Arab world, with 51 percent believing that Israel is the most threatening, 22 percent believe the US is the most threatening, and 5 percent reporting a belief that Iran is the single country most threatening to the security of their countries. The results on this question vary from one Arab country to another.

84 percent believe the Palestinian cause to be a cause for all Arabs, and not solely a Palestinian issue.

67 percent of respondents believe that present levels of intra-Arab cooperation are not satisfactory.

Roughly three-quarters support lifting travel and trade restrictions between Arab countries, the establishment of joint Arab military forces, and a unified monetary system. This highlights the similar belief, uncovered by this survey and shared by a clear majority of the respondents, which holds that citizens of all Arab states belong to a unitary Arab nation.

Most respondents supported the Egyptian and the Tunisian revolutions.

Most respondents attributed the revolutions to corruption, dictatorship and the lack of justice and equality.

84 percent of respondents are opposed to their countries’ diplomatic recognition of Israel, with only 21 percent of respondents expressing support for the peace agreements signed with the Israelis by Jordan, Egypt, and Palestine.

55 percent support having the Middle East declared a nuclear-weapons-free zone, compared to 29 percent who would oppose such a move. The majority of the 55 percent believe that Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons justifies possession of such weapons by other countries in the region.

Here is another poll that many people are not aware about and many people from many nations were questioned so I find this poll to be much more accurate than the one in the OP:

Here is another poll that many people are not aware about and many people from many nations were questioned so I find this poll to be much more accurate than the one in the OP:

European Poll: Israel Biggest Threat To World Peace

Results of a new poll commissioned by the European Commission show that Israel is believed by Europeans in 15 countries to be the greatest threat to world peace, greater than North Korea, Iran or Afghanistan.

While the European Commission will release the full results of the poll on Monday, the International Herald Tribune reported that the 7,500 people polled living in the European Union (500 in each of the 15 E.U. member states) were presented with a list of 15 countries and asked if these countries present a threat to world peace. Shockingly, Israel was rated first.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Is this poll European proganda ? It seems legit to me.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed


Remember, if it goes against the US/Israeli/West it's clearly propaganda but if it supports them it's the truth.

reply to post by milkyway12


What are our interests? Whose interests do you think are being preserved? Who is going to profit from the Middle East? Nuclear capabilities, man, is it that easy for the MSM to get people?

"THEY HAVE BOMBS, BOMBS BAD AND SCARY" ahhhhh!!!!

We have no evidence of this. None. You have official reports from various departments that instill fear in you. Because of that fear, you are willing to subjugate the entire Middle East. If the United States went country by country, literally raping the land they trample on, you would be all for it as long as each country was individually accused of having nuclear capabilities.

Look up who is REALLY sticking their hands in the Middle East. C-o-r-p-o-r-a-t-e i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t-s

reply to post by xxdaniel21


.... I actually sat here for a couple of minutes thinking of what to type. Here is a perfect analogy, you're in the stone age and missing current events. That is not meant as an insult, but you are ... missing out.

Iran getting Nuclear weapons is a threat to our interest. We should have attacked them a long time ago.

I still cant believe Israel hasn't gathered enough balls to attack. Same for us. However, that threat is on Israels front door.

reply to post by AxelAxel


Fear? I assure you i am not "fearful" of anything. Iran should be obliterated, not their people, but their current military and ruling government.

You sir, are fearful.

Any man or nation who gives up his goals, power, rights, or ideology in the name of peace is a coward and is already dead. Let us not to forget he is in bondage and chains, a slave to fear.

Such as this situation in Syria, Obama already proved he is a hypocrite and a coward. What the hell was that with Libya, but you do not help Syria??? He is a worthless leader. He attacked Libya out of no where, but refuses to help the Syrian people.

I do not want the Syrian rebels having weapons, obviously, terrorist are manifest in their ranks. Infested. Air power will defeat entire nations and armies. All we need to do is provide air support / umbrella.

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Protecting our allies is worth American blood.

Also, any ignorant man who says " OIL " is not worth money or life, is a fool. Oil is EVERYTHING. It is more valuable, nearly, than water and food. OIL is the BLOOD of civilization. You do not get food, water, luxuries, etc. Without oil, billions of people would die and it would change civilization as we know it.