Reincarnation, What do you believe?

Originally posted by ascension211
reply to post by NiNjABackflip

 

Seems a bit defensive on your part. I am not trying to debate you on this subject rather instilling a desire for you to be open minded,


Ascension211

I was just repeating what you said. I am open minded, just not credulous.

Thanks again for all the replies to my thread. Lets remember , we have different levels of intelligence and different levels of enlightenment, nonetheless, all are entitled to their opinions and insults are not welcomed.

Whether or not we are reincarnated is only part of the equation, why are we reincarnated, if that is the case? Independent of the name you call it something happens to our soul, if we have one, and there is a reason for where it goes, when it goes and how it goes. Completely subjective and pictures will not be included. Snap shots can not be allowed, not part of the equation, like faith..it all comes down to free will. Believe or don't believe, whatever happens is still going to happen, that my dear souls is the truth, and can not be disputed.


Ascension211

reply to post by YoungSoul

If I am wrong I will eat my words. End of contract.

reply to post by ascension211


Humans re-incarnate over billions of years until they dont need a body, we eventually re-join Creation

reply to post by ascension211


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Whether or not we are reincarnated is only part of the equation, why are we reincarnated, if that is the case?

We are spirits, a spirit can only evolve in the material realm

www.wakingtimes.com...

A human being is a part of the whole, called by us, “Universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

reply to post by ascension211


Thanks. As I said, I believe in a form of panpsychism and as such I feel I am obligated to believe in some form of reincarnation. Here is an explanation of panpsychism:

Standford Encyclopedia Article on Panspychism

In short, panpsychism is the doctrine that mind is a fundamental part or feature of the physical universe, or rather, that mind is existence which is part and parcel to physical existence and visa versa - the two can really never be separated.

There are less bold versions of panpsychism for those not quite willing to attribute consciousness to a rock, which is called panexperientialism.

Some famous panpsychists include the psychologist, physician, philosopher, and Harvard professor William James (who also founded the philosophical school of pragmatism), the rationalist philosopher Baruch Spinoza, the German mathematician and philosopher Gottfried Leibniz, the experimental psychologist Gustav Fechner, the German educator and philosopher Friedrich Paulsen, the biologist, naturalist, physician, philosopher and professor of comparative anatomy Ernst Haeckel, and the mathematician and philosopher Alfred North Whitehead who supervised the doctoral dissertations of both Bertrand Russell and William Van Orman Quine - both analytic philosophers.

Also, many of Carl Jung's statements could be interpreted as a belief in a form of panpychism.

The analytic philosopher Galen Strawson said, "realistic physicalism entails panpsychism", and I concur.

Panpsychism is really not that easy to explain in a brief post. I would suggest that if you have an interest in learning about it that you at least read the encyclopedia entry I linked to in order to get an idea of what it is about. As I said in brief, it is really a theory, founded in logical and rational thought, with a very long tradition in western philosophy, which states that (in rough layman's terms) everything in the universe, organic or inorganic, has some degree of consciousness.

It is my personal conclusion that if one holds to panpsychism, then they are basically obligated to hold to a belief in some form of reincarnation, since if the physical does not merely vanish, but is transformed, then the conscious self cannot merely vanish either, but must also transform.

Why panpsychism, you ask? The answer is the "hard problem of consciousness", "ex nihilo nihilo fit" (from nothing, nothing comes), or the impossibility that the mental reality (which we all know exists) can emerge from a physical world which does not contain consciousness within it from its beginning. In other words, the universe cannot spit out a fish unless the universe already contains all the fundamental properties of a fish within it from which the fish may be formed. Likewise, the universe cannot spit out consciousness unless it already had consciousness as one of its fundamental properties.

From there... reincarnation is practically a given.

Thanks for sharing that. My philosophy is my own. I am sure it has bits and pieces of other philosophies that have common ground.

What I had hoped to accomplish, by posting this thread topic, has been beyond my hopes. You have all given thought to this and responded with many different views. I appreciate all the different ideas posed and want to encourage more discussion on this matter because I think it benefits us all to have as much information as possible to make informed decisions about life and consciousness. The underlining desire is to not let fear of what we do not know control how we feel about each other. LOVE is the answer to conquering all. There are different levels of vibrational harmonic resonance that we will all achieve individually as well as collectively. I happen to believe we are reaching a point in our collective consciousness that is going to culminate in a greater vibrational harmonic resonance for us all. The Earth is a very small part of a much greater picture. Would you all accept that for truth? We are in a solar system, rotating around a star, while Earth rotates on it's axis with a moon attached to it that effects it's magnetic energy 24 hours a day 365 a years, with several other celestial bodies connected to each other through an invisible energy (magnetic), all rotating around the SUN, in a galaxy with other solar systems and other planets, etc. Pure energy attached to each other, affected by each other, each with their own trials and tribulations to overcome, daily, monthly, yearly, etc. Sound like it is possible? Reduce the picture to your own individuality and do you see the point I am trying to get across? We all effect each other and our energy, levels change rapidly because we are also affected by the surrounding energy in our collective universe. Reincarnation, is defined this way by this particular dictionary as being what they think it means: 1. the belief that on the death of the body the soul transmigrates to or is born again in another body 2. the incarnation or embodiment of a soul in a new body after it has left the old one at physical death 3. embodiment again in a new form, as of a principle or idea Semantics, is defined this way by the same dictionary source: 1. the branch of linguistics that deals with the study of meaning, changes in meaning, and the principles that govern the relationship between sentences or words and their meanings 2. the study of the relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent 3. logic a. the study of interpretations of a formal theory b. the study of the relationship between the structure of a theory and its subject matter c. (of a formal theory) the principles that determine the truth or falsehood of sentences within the theory, and the references of its terms I think there are many ways to say the same thing. Maybe you can not be reincarnated if pure energy does not die. If it is recycled, did it really die. No. The reason we have this issue is because of the vessels we are in right now. They cease to operate and therefore we attached a word to it, death. We have rituals associated with it and feelings or emotions attached to it and different philosophies surrounding it. Why not call it rebirth, or dare I say ascension? If a plastic bottle gets recycled we think nothing of it because to us that is just a inanimate object we discard and think nothing of it, but even that plastic bottle has energy attached to it, everything we touch gets a part of our energy and when it is recycled becomes another form of energy with our energy still attached and gets passed along to another who attaches their energy to it, etc. This is why we have a greater responsibility to be aware of our own feelings and emotions and how we can affect others with free will and how they can affect us. True love is very hard to find or have for others or even ourselves, but it starts with each individual. You can not have true love for another, if you do not have true love for yourself first. even though we are human in this existence we are souls first. We all have the ability to be aware of a higher power and a greater existence we are attached to. This is what gives me the ability to feel the way I do feel. Ego is what controls the world we inhabit now, Love is what controls our soul, our heart regulates and our brain contemplates while we do our part to utilize the abilities we all have to coexist. Thank you all for indulging me, and take care. Much LOVE to all who have taken the time to read and participate and even those that did not. Remember, we are all in this together regardless of how we perceive our existence. There is only one truth. Sincerely, Ascension211Thanks for sharing that.

reply to post by HillbillyHippie1

I believe ive been in other human lives before this one.

reply to post by Manula


Thanks for sharing that, perhaps, you could tell us why you feel that way? Dreams, memories, specifics would be nice.

I remember a past life, off planet. To my soul that time period of hundreds of thousands, or millions (what I believe), or longer, was like a camping trip last year or last summer, it nothing, and that was the most disturbing thing, when this wall broke, it took a week or more to adjust to the "time program" inside of us being assaulted by soul memory, which is in No Time.

You're an infinite part of infinity.

I do not believe in "life after death" so to speak. I do however believe that our soul, or what ever you prefer to call it lives on, in some way.

reply to post by ezekielken


What words are you going to eat and when, because I missed them somehow?

The more I learn about ancient and current philosophies, the more I believe that reincarnation is the norm. Ive read much about "ascension", and the awakening of the spirit through reincarnation. It certainly is an important topic. This also conjures up thoughts of astral travel and the so-called plains of existence. IT also makes me think of the different dimensions and extra dimensional beings. I haven't come to a conclusion yet, but there is still much information to be read and analyzed.

Thank you OP for sharing that Dalai Lama quote! I had never heard that one before, so I saved it right away in my journal of quotes.

I can tell you that after being a bible-thumping christian for over 10 years, it is amazing to be feed from the bondage of believing "the bearded man in the sky" is watching and waiting to send us each to heaven or hell. It felt like a thousand pounds of weight was lifted off my shoulders once I discovered these truths that led me to opening my mind.

For me, "past life regression" hypnosis is proof positive of the reality of reincarnation and having multiple lives. The countless documented stories of people describing their past lives in great detail are really mind-expanding.

Life is so much more exciting with this new perspective that has been opened up to me.

The idea of reincarnation came from realized yogis who could perceive the entire cycle of birth and death. So i do not think it is a theory, but testimony of those who can see past the "veil of ignorance".

reply to post by ascension211

Reincarnation? I don't think it is a yes or no question.

I think that some are here to see if they can be 'viable' entities. Something like a testing time. Some are here just to make sure there is successes of goals for the all. Those that show promise, or make correct decisions, may be chosen to start the journey of achieving a 'soul'.

If all the bees in a hive make honey, but none gather pollen, mate, lay eggs, feed the eggs, etc.,,,,, the hive isn't viable. Are we any different?

It does take all, but not all can move up the ladder so to speak.

reply to post by Ryker


Glad you enjoyed the quote, life is a never ending journey with infinite possibilities, some absolute and some variables, but thought provoking just the same and completely our free will to chose what we do want to believe. But no matter what, there is only one Truth and several versions of suspected truth. Every movie has a different ending and every movie has an ending. Some we like and keep tucked away and some we discard. Eventually, we will arrive at the truth. It may take several movies, but we will get there.

I think Sri Aurobindo did a great job of explaining reincarnation. You can download all his writings here:www.sriaurobindoashram.org...

reply to post by syrinx high priest


You are assuming all souls come back to EARTH....
A few other planets out there to balance to souls.

Thank you all. I would love to respond to everyone, but I have neuropathy.


Either way, we do exist in some form and it is for us to decide why, but we still have a responsibility to our fellow souls to be the best we can be, do not let fear control you, let LOVE guide you.

Ascension211