Will You Change, if Jesus Is Found NOT To be Real?

Christ is right here and right now, it is the son (sun) of God. It is the light that appears in consciousness.
This light that you are seeing presently is the light of God.
It is God that sees this light.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Christ is right here and right now, it is the son (sun) of God. It is the light that appears in consciousness.
This light that you are seeing presently is the light of God.
It is God that sees this light.

What you described in very profound. Are you saying Jesus is us. Im really freaked out by this concept a bit. Its made me tremble.

This moment is real. And if you can understand that only this moment is real we can then take it apart and try to understand what is going on here.
There is light appearing but it cannot appear without the seer and knower of the light.
Christ is the light (of consciousness) and God is the all seeing, all knowing presence in which the light appears.
It is complete.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

This moment is real. And if you can understand that only this moment is real we can then take it apart and try to understand what is going on here.
There is light appearing but it cannot appear without the seer and knower of the light.
Christ is the light and God is the all seeing, all knowing presence in which the light appears.

What are we as humans, are we a vessel for Gods seeing eyes? This is very convoluting challenge for my mind to grasp this in its entirity in the moment of, encapsulating my thoughts to understand this now.

How can our human minds comprehend this correctly, it seems almost beyond what most people would consider is reasonable to understand within the bounds of our brain intellect?

reply to post by AthlonSavage


Humans is a word that seems to separate a 'thing' from the whole.
There is light being seen.
What you see is light it is appearing as whatever you are seeing or knowing presently. As you look down you see a body and you can hear sounds and thoughts and sensations - this is all the light.
The seer and knower of the light is God.

God does not appear - anything, and i mean any 'thing' (content) that appears is the light - is Christ.
God is the formless that forms the form and knows the form.

There is content and there is what contains the content.
youtu.be...

reply to post by Itisnowagain

God does not appear - anything, and i mean any 'thing' (content) that appears is the light - is Christ.
God is the formless that forms the form and knows the form.

You are saying if i understand it correctly that God is a source of awarness to the light but no description can be made to identify God as an object with a boundary form. God has no boundary and is only a source of the light. And anything that has a form with boundaries dlinearating its separation from other objects of form is really a creation of the light, which we as perceiving objects are able to see. I hope im on track here this is intricate concepts you are presenting to me.

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Ill listen to the Vid it may make things more clearer to understand this is unnerving me a bit. Its making me feel strange

reply to post by AthlonSavage


You are not a percieving 'object'.
You are the knower of the light and you are not a thing, you are awareness.

You have been decieved if you 'think' you are a 'thing'.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

You are not a percieving 'object'.
You are the knower of the light and you are not a thing, you are awareness.

You have been decieved if you 'think' you are a 'thing'.

I am trying hard to adjust my way of thinking to this concept. I believe what you saying is true, it is just the adjustment im trying to make to accept this; as im so use to the conventional idea having lived with it that im a thing, im a object. Do you think the OP will understand this?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Not Reacting To Content By Eckhart Tolle

I listened. I believe understand.
We are as in you or I only consciousness and nothing more than that. All of the objects around us are cartoon carniatures which we form emotional associations with and become attached. The emotional attachment creates the illusion the forms are real.

Realisng we are consciouness and thats our only true self, we should not seek out the objects we should just let them come and go like images on a movie screen. Images that come and go and we form no emotional attachments to them.

Am i understanding this correctly?

Christ is the creation he is the objects

God is the seer, he is us in our true existance which is only awareness.

Consciousness is known.
Consciousness is the waking state where the light (form) is seen.
Pure awareness is what there is in deep sleep with no light being seen.
Awareness has to be prior to consciousness.

In the beginnig there was nothing (deep sleep) and then there was light (waking state -consciousness).
Out of the nothingness all thing appear.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Consciousness is known.
Consciousness is the waking state where the light (form) is seen.
Pure awareness is what there is in deep sleep with no light being seen.
Awareness has to be prior to consciousness.

In the beginnig there was nothing (deep sleep) and then there was light (waking state -consciousness).
Out of the nothingness all thing appear.

Reading your reply i guess indicates my synopsis of the Video was correct. The only addition was the needing to clear the understanding up between levels of waking conciousness compared; with the deeper form where pure awareness in encountered in a deep sleep.

Have you managed yourself to cleanse all emotional attachments? If so what does it feel like to live in such state of mind all the time. Do people begin to become like cartoons?

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
Itsnowagain what was his message? I admit i have never followed religion in my life and im only guessing about who Jesus really was and what he trying to achieve. What was the Purpose of Jesus life and did he understand his own purpose, or was he searching as well?

Jesus IS God...

The purpose of Jesus' life was and IS to (re)connect us with God...

By having never followed religion you have an advantage over most in that you have fewer lies to unlearn.

Following religion will always lead you AWAY from the truth.

Jesus is the true Word by which ALL things were created...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" ~ John 1:1

Jesus is the TRUE transformer and is still TRANSFORMING broken misguided lives today.

He transformed the lives of ordinary people by ministering healing to them and ultimately dieing on the cross.

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There is only ever what is appearing.
It is peaceful and delightful.
There are no people. There is just this and this appears just as it is and it is known.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

There is only ever what is appearing.
It is peaceful and delightful.
There are no people. There is just this and this appears just as it is and it is known.

I understand, its quite bizzare and yet it is appealing to me the more get use to it Just go with it the moment and stay detached.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


The truth shall set you free.
The truth is hidden in plain sight (the act of seeing).

reply to post by Itisnowagain

The truth shall set you free.
The truth is hidden in plain sight.

Yes how true. You are the voice of truth to me and hidden. Just to be, nothing more just to be.

reply to post by AthlonSavage


To be or not to be? That is the question.
I am is the way, the truth and the life.
Being IS.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

To be or not to be? That is the question.
I am is the way, the truth and the life.
Being IS.

The answer to the question is just let it be. What that is whatever will be..kay seruh....seruh whatever will be will be....the future is not ours to see....kay seruh seruh.