What If UFO'S are actually us from the future?

reply to post by nv4711


You keep insisting I have not contributed to this thread. I think you are severely mistaken.

The following is a break down for you of all that I have contributed to the discussion on this thread.

How come we never hear about IFO's? We may be witnessing something we do recognize but are not familiar with yet? What if the unidentified objects are in fact us from the future? We can not have contact with them because of the space time continuum and would alter history and make certain people disappear from existence. We have these crop circles and other unexplained phenomena that may be the only way for our future us to communicate with our present us without affecting the outcome directly. Also, there may be other civilizations that we have problems with that want to directly change our history and we battle with them in another dimension, but we get glimpses of this through a time warp? There are an infinite amount of possibilities that could be probabilities. Either way if our future us has already experienced certain things that were catastrophic, it would only be natural to try and warn us. But, they probably already know it is futile and are just waiting to pick up the pieces, because so many people want to shoot down valid information with disinformation because they are afraid to know the truth or let others know the truth. Whatever the truth is, I will just say this, do not live your life in fear, let LOVE guide you and live every day to the best of your ability and be prepared spiritually. Sincerely, Ascension211 If there is something of a natural cataclysm that is going to happen they can only try to warn us, they can not stop it from happening, as to changing things in the present, who is to say they haven't altered the things they could? There have been many instances of nuclear war getting ready to happen that have been stopped somehow. Be well. Yes. That is what am saying is a possibility as to why we have not had more contact of a definitive nature. There is something that we have been witnessing, there has been mentions of contacts, but the disclosure we are waiting for may not happen in the way that will change peoples opinion one way or the other. Take care. I think steering it from the past would have far worse ramifications as to effecting their own future. At least from the future they would have the option of what to change and what not to change. Thank you. I would think if you are advanced enough to travel in time you would have that equation solved. I believe if you are able to travel faster than the speed of light you can pinpoint where you stop. There is so much we have yet to learn about quantum physics the ability for us to fathom certain aspects just isn't there, but the ability to recognize this is evident in Hollywood, through Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, star wars and Stargate. they all allow for the ability to use worm holes or some vortex or some warp speed, to travel through space, i.e. time travel. Still, thank you for your reply. Take care. Ascension211 Thank you all for the replies, even the trolls, but the topic was started and the original title being changed in no way changes my question, just reworded. Like many things< it is subjective and we are all entitled to our opinions. That is the reason this site exist. I must admit to allowing myself to be human and take offense to a few of the posts and for that I truly apologize. My personal feelings about UFO's is that they exist. That they are in fact identifiable. Just not verifiable as to where or why they exist. Semantics allow us to place names on things that have the same meaning only worded differently, good/bad, heaven/hell etc. Really doesn't matter what you call them they still have the same content/description , where they come from or why they exist is subjective. Keep those ideas coming, I am enjoying the different opinions/ideas that you are sharing. Take care.

Valid suggestions. The possibilities exist that we are in a computer simulation in a classroom somewhere? We could be a genetic experiment? We could be like that scene in MIB 2 where we are a giant marble being used to play a game? I am happy to see the imagination working. Thanks for the reply. Ascension211

Star for you, thank you for your reply. Very well thought out response, the possibilities are staggering and you added something of value to my thread. I will tell you though, in my original post, I suggested a reason why they may care about how they reveal themselves. Here is a snippet: We can not have contact with them because of the space time continuum and would alter history and make certain people disappear from existence.

The facts speak for themselves.

Ascension211

Originally posted by Imtor

If this that had been the case, history would've been changed now...

The crux of course is: How would we know that history was altered?

Let's, just for the sake of the argument, think that a person goes back in time. He ends up in 49 BC in the italian City of Ravenna and meets Julius Ceasar. He somehow convinces Ceasar to cross the Rubicon and enter Rome with his legions fully armed (which was illegal and high treason). This move was the founding event of the Roman Empire and eventually elevated Ceasar to Emperor of Rome. This is now our recorded history.

Had the time traveler not shown up, Ceasar would not have crossed the Rubicon and may have been only a side note of history as a skilled roman General and Governor of Gaul. However, then this would be our recorded history and we would be none the wiser.

Or, would Chronologie be protectd anyways, and while Ceasar didn't cross the Rubicon, his popularity with the roman people would have forced the Senate and General Pompey to offer the title of Imperator to Ceasar, hence the overall outcome would have been the same and the Roman Empire would still be in our history books, albeit slightly different.

Either way, from our perspective, it would always be history as we know it - we wouldn't have a clue that it was supposed to be different.

Really tricky :-)

Originally posted by ascension211
reply to post by nv4711


You keep insisting I have not contributed to this thread. I think you are severely mistaken.

The following is a break down for you of all that I have contributed to the discussion on this thread.

I've asked you a specific question.

reply to post by nv4711


Really? I didn't see a question I saw an inference made that I had not contributed to this thread.

Originally posted by ascension211
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Really? I didn't see a question I saw an inference made that I had not contributed to this thread.

Pfff.... Ok, cut and paste from my previous posting:

".........So, since you want this to be dead serious, let me ask you:

While there are indeed a variety of mathematically sound concepts in theoretical physics regarding time travel (and we're only talking about traveling back in time, since forward is proven to be possible by the Theory(ies) of General and Special Relativity) it seems to be rather impossible, because of the Problem of Chronologie Protection.
Hawkings and Thorne (and both developed models for time travel, i.e. Thorne with the Traversable Wormhole), theorize that the moment it is turned on, it will destruct with the grandest explosion the World has ever seen. In addition, Hawkings is saying that even if the machine would not explode, one could never travel farther back in time then to the point when the time machine was invented. According to him, that's one of the reasons why we haven't met any time travellers yet. In other words, even if time travel exists in the future, they couldn't come here since time travel hasn't been invented yet.

I see a weakness in Hawkings reasoning, can you see it too?

Can you see the question now?

This whole thread shows that the OP hasn't lifted a finger to study any UFO evidence, I don't need to waste my time quoting such nonsense. Maybe they have been sleeping a lot and remember their dreams as a part of conscious reality, I can't understand why someone would say such things unless it is true ignorance.

UFO's are observed before the rational mind has a chance to identify them. The human mind selects blindly from some dark zone of Jungian super-positioned observables. Its an alien A priori selection which can be programmed by us or others.

Thats why in meditation the Mantra selection can be so important.

Originally posted by ascension211
Yes I am new and enthusiastic, you have me pegged. I, also, did not fall of a UFO yesterday! I am not new to ATS. I have seen behavior from others in the past and didn't agree with the taunting and immature behavior then and I still don't. I know when I am being baited. I'm not falling for it. Have a great day!


Sincerely,

Ascension211

Great ! I star and flag your thread make positive reassuring comments and welcome you ?
But I'm trying to bait you ?

I'm start'in to hope time travel does become available at some point now ! So I could take you back and show you how messed up that is.

Sincerely Randy

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What evidence are you referring too? Feel free to share with us. I for one have read 20 years worth of stories about UFO's and I just presented an alternate possibility.

reply to post by nv4711


yes I do see the question now. I do see a weakness in his theory, but it doesn't mean it's not possible he is right.

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My apologies if i misunderstood. I may have been a tad sensitive to other posts. I need to have more separation from post to post.


Ascension211

Originally posted by ascension211
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yes I do see the question now. I do see a weakness in his theory, but it doesn't mean it's not possible he is right.

Whew, this is harder than pulling teeth........And what do you think the weakness is?

And yes, I'm also pretty sure he's right, because he's Hawkings and I'm not.

reply to post by nv4711


It is still just a theory, like many others that have been theorized, and Hawkins or not, many theories have been debunked. This is one that is very difficult to confirm or deny. You are the dentist? I didn't catch your reason for why it was weak? Perhaps you should lay off the nitrous oxide and expound.

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and how do you know it has not ,blinkered me thinks,
and that does not mean we have it was just a theory

Originally posted by ascension211
reply to post by nv4711

 

It is still just a theory, like many others that have been theorized, and Hawkins or not, many theories have been debunked. This is one that is very difficult to confirm or deny. You are the dentist? I didn't catch your reason for why it was weak? Perhaps you should lay off the nitrous oxide and expound.

You may want to read up on what a Theory in Science is. No, not many (real) theories have been "debunked".

You asked the question " What if....." so I was speculating whether or not it was even possible, because if it isn't, the question is mute. What I considered a weakness in Hawkings assesment, that one could never travel back farther than to the time the machine was in fact invented, is the question whether or not it has to be the physical construction of the machine or when it was conceived in theory. Kip Thorne (Genius physicist at CalTech) developed the concept of the Traversable Wormhole in 1989 (i think), but of course can't built it.
This leads to the question: If in the future the construction of a traversable wormhole was possible, could they only go back to the day of the construction, or all the way to 1989?

In any case, they could never go back to ancient times, because no valid theory for the construction of a time machine was developed before the middle of the 20th century.

In short, your question "What if....." is a purely hypothetical one, which is fun to speculate about, but at the end of the day it's a waste of energy because traveling back in time is impossible. Hence, UFOs are not time travelers, the mystery remains.

reply to post by nv4711


I believe you are mistaken when you say this is fact. Where is your proof that this is impossible? Just stating it does not make it fact. At least, I may have said that time travel is real, but this is just a belief, I have no proof so it is all speculation, Theoretical science or not. What anyone thinks about this matter is completely ok with me, just don't call it fact without proof. I merely posed a possibility that what we think are UFO's, may not be, but rather that it was possible what we have been seeing is in fact IFO's , because we do know what they are we just don't know it yet in the present. Notice, I do not use the word fact when stating this, rather possibility.

Originally posted by ascension211
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I believe you are mistaken when you say this is fact. Where is your proof that this is impossible? Just stating it does not make it fact. At least, I may have said that time travel is real, but this is just a belief, I have no proof so it is all speculation, Theoretical science or not. What anyone thinks about this matter is completely ok with me, just don't call it fact without proof. I merely posed a possibility that what we think are UFO's, may not be, but rather that it was possible what we have been seeing is in fact IFO's , because we do know what they are we just don't know it yet in the present. Notice, I do not use the word fact when stating this, rather possibility.

I didn't use the word "Fact" but in either case, it's not me saying it but people much smarter than I.

You don't strike me to be much of a "science guy" (no offense), but here you go, read this article by Kip Thorne, it also includes many references to other works for further reading.

plus.maths.org...

If, after reading it, you have something interesting to say, I might respond. If it's your usual trifle however, then this was my last posting here. Anyways, thanks for creating the thread, it was fun for a (short) while.

That is one of the ideas expressed in the quasi-documentary/sci-fi film lunopolis, which i thought was very interesting. It is certainly possible that they are from our future, and if so, they will keep coming back every time. I have also heard accounts of people who say they were visited by someone from the future. Again, it is not that they are just one thing or the other, could be that people from the future are visiting, as well as ET's and EDE's.

Originally posted by Timmerman421
That is one of the ideas expressed in the quasi-documentary/sci-fi film lunopolis, which i thought was very interesting. It is certainly possible that they are from our future, and if so, they will keep coming back every time. I have also heard accounts of people who say they were visited by someone from the future. Again, it is not that they are just one thing or the other, could be that people from the future are visiting, as well as ET's and EDE's.

What makes you say that it is "certainly possible"? And why would they "keep coming back"?

What exactly do the "accounts of people that met someone from the future" say?

Very curious to hear that....

You cannot manipulate all around you to disappear so that you enter another time. That's just not possible even by open minded science... Simply no, does that answer the question 'How do you know it's not been altered history already'