Open letter from a disgusted conservative

Originally posted by FredT
How come his name comes up nowhere? Does not even have his domain name registered. A company that works on UCAV's/UAV's that no one hear has ever heard of? The compnay does not show up on any searches period.

Well...there are many well-established companies - some even industry standard and above that don't have websites and purely rely on their work and word-of-mouth...

My boss's daughter works for one of the world's best advertising agencies with multiple over-seas offices - I forget the company name (lol)...but they don't have a website or any form advertising for themselves - simply a name and a logo (I know...funny, huh?)

So it's not impossible to assume he's really out there...

As you suggested, further insight on that interview would help to put aside the fictional claims...

[edit on 10/18/2004 by EnronOutrunHomerun]

Ok - I read the so called "letter" in its entirety and at this point I can say I seriously doubt this is from a purported conservative as stated - Ah BT its no different than your claim to conservatism in my eyes I guess anybody could title a letter that way.

The letter as it stands is a manifesto of liberal "talking points" and accusations as I have seen over the past several years.

Republicans and conservatives it is not our duty to answer or disprove totally unproven assertions such as this letter makes.

On the other hand lets see some kind of evidence as reported in any mainstream media format or news service that proves these as yet unfounded and at times spurious claims as made in this so-called letter.

Basically unqualified blather is what it is.

BT the links provided as back-up in no way qualify as accepted media so don't even go there.

Find some REAL links and then we can have a debate - until then.

[edit on 18-10-2004 by Phoenix]

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Karl is legit and so are his concerns. He knows a helluva lot about a helluva lot of stuff. He's involved in a lot of things and is the head of a Nano tech company. His company has also developed UAV technologies for US ops in Iraq.

Link to website? or other info? You interviewed him, can you provide us with that information? I think if legitimacy was provided, it might be worth taking on his letter.

I might as well go Unicorn hunting.
Otherwise known as wasting time slaying a mythical beast..

Originally posted by spacedoubt
I think if legitimacy was provided, it might be worth taking on his letter.

Otherwise known as wasting time slaying a mythical beast..

By this reckoning you would never pay heed to anything ever said by an ATS member.

Why not look at the substance of the arguments, and address some of the questions?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
And so I guess that Mr. Conservative Christian Republican is going to vote for Mr. North Vietnam Collaborator and All-Around Traitor instead.

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Probably people he realizes the Bush Administration attacked America on 09.11.2001, and the whole gang should be decorating trees in Texas.

Real conservatives don't like Bush. Bush isn't a Republican or a conservative. He and his gang are wild apes gang raping America and laughing about it.

[edit on 18-10-2004 by taibunsuu]

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar

By this reckoning you would never pay heed to anything ever said by an ATS member.

Why not look at the substance of the arguments, and address some of the questions?

Um - MaskedAvatar most members here provide mostly believable links to back up their assertions except for a select few who never seem to so.

No substance = skepticism, a great hallmark of ATS if do say so myself.

[edit on 18-10-2004 by Phoenix]

What Phoenix just said made no sense at all. No substance = skepticism. No substance is therefore a hallmark of ATS??

No-one has addressed any of the questions posed in BoutTime's cited letter except lightly touching on para 30. No-one has confirmed or denied to the satisfaction of any other person, the existence of the cited author.

And we celebrate "hallmarks".

Roll on ATS!

(BT, I hope someone grabs hold of this soon, it's a long overture before the real merit of the topic is explored!)

It seems the source can not be backed up, and yet I posted one today that I did not check, so I am guilty of thi sone also.

If the information is true, then it is a bombshell.


But one particular comment got me as crap. THe 911 commission made up of Bushies. Well I happened to live in Indiana a while and let me tell you Lee Hamilton is no Bushie, by a long shot.

I will follow this thread some more and do some looking.


Added to fav's

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
What Phoenix just said made no sense at all. No substance = skepticism. No substance is therefore a hallmark of ATS??

No-one has addressed any of the questions posed in BoutTime's cited letter except lightly touching on para 30. No-one has confirmed or denied to the satisfaction of any other person, the existence of the cited author.

And we celebrate "hallmarks".

Roll on ATS!

(BT, I hope someone grabs hold of this soon, it's a long overture before the real merit of the topic is explored!)

MaskedAvatar the point obviously flew right over your mask (check periphial vision) the point was if there is no substance to the post (reliable links) then of course skepticism will be the result, questions about the veracity of the information will be asked, debunking will occur as has been the case.

I have not seen a thing to prove otherwise by the original poster, have you?

Just what are you defending here, an ideology is my guess.

Yes it is a hallmark of ATS - do you deny?

Originally posted by Phoenix

Just what are you defending here, an ideology is my guess.

Yes it is a hallmark of ATS - do you deny?

My "mask" misses nothing, not even your poor expression.

Here's what's on the table.

* over 30 points of cover-up and conspiracy perpetrated by the corrupt incumbent government of a self-proclaimed 'superpower' that no-one wants to address.

* ATS members (including "staff") patting themselves on the back for questioning the existence of a cited author, while offering no firm evidence either way.


I defend that the questions raised in the post by BoutTime merit analysis.


Yes, I do deny that "no substance" is a hallmark of ATS, unless you are choosing to make it so.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
My "mask" misses nothing, not even your poor expression.
Here's what's on the table.

In this case perhaps your mask requires cleaning perhaps a speck of "partisan dust" has obscured your view. As Pheonix has belabored to point out to you, this looks like a talking point memo that has morphed into a "email" for a company that may not even exist. Add to that a member who claims to have prior knowledge, also indicated he has interviewed the author yet posts no links or transcripts.

Add to it a laundry list of allegations that have been discussed ad nauseum here on ATS. And really now since when do we or you even simply accept things without even rudimentary proof or backup. Are you saying that you do if it jives with your personal point of view? Hmmmmm Ignorance denied indeed. Solid work MA

Karl W. B. Schwarz can be reached at this email address:

[email protected]

www.onlinejournal.com...

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Haha! See...I knew I was right

The fact that one man, his company, and his entire life history does not show up in a google search does not negate his/her existence...

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Karl W. B. Schwarz can be reached at this email address:

[email protected]

www.onlinejournal.com...

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]

So is he voting for Kerry? Seems to be the case doesnt it?

I decided to provide links for some of these talking points even though as FredT said, they have been discussed on ATS. Yet, other members would like to pretend like the things in this letter don't exist. Anyway, I encourage other members to list resources as well.

1. Sible Edmonds - baltimorechronicle.com...

"If they were to do real investigations we would see several significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country. And that is something that they are not going to let out. And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up."

-Sibel Edmonds, former FBI translator

On October 18th 2002 Attorney General Ashcroft came out personally, in public, asserted this rare "state secret privilege" on everything that had to do with my case. And they cited "diplomatic relations" and certain "foreign relations" that would be "at stake" if I were to take this issue and make it public. And, since then, this has been acting as a gag on my case.

2. Energy Task Force, Unocal, Bridas - www.hartford-hwp.com...

In 1997 top government officials and oil company executives from the United States, Turkey, Great Britain, Russia, Azerbaijan, and Central Asia, met to discuss an issue of great mutual concern :

Pipeline routes for Caspian oil and gas.

The initial enthusiast for the Afghan route was the chairman of the Bridas Group, an Argentine company.

In 1993, a Bridas joint venture with Turkmenistan had begun laying more than 2,000 miles of seismic lines to map the geology of a potential gas field in eastern Turkmenistan.

Two test wells confirmed a huge gas deposit 150 miles from the Afghan border.

In the spring of 1995, Turkmenistan and Pakistan commissioned Bridas to study the Afghan route.

That summer a rival entered the game.

The president of California based Unocal Corp had a vision of a Unocal pipeline following roughly the same route as the one proposed by Bridas.

By early 1998 a Unocal led consortium had made a deal with the Taliban to construct an Afghanistan pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan.

The most obvious drawback of the proposed pipeline from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan, to Pakistan and down to the Arabian Sea, was the civil war in Afghanistan.

www.onlinejournal.com... hwarz.html

For you information sleuths, on September 9, 2003, Bridas Corporation prevailed in the Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeals on an arbitration award, reportedly over $500 million, in the matter of Bridas Corporation v. Turkmenneft, the oil ministry arm of Turkmenistan. For the geographically impaired, that is the northwest end of the pipeline that is going across Afghanistan even as you read this, but under US control. Of course, the Bush friends went running to the US Supreme Court, but on March 22, 2004, the high court denied writ of certiorari and left intact the decision out of New Orleans; matter of Turkmenneft v. Bridas Corporation 03-1018, U.S. Supreme Court.

3. Guantanamo Bay - en.wikipedia.org...

The U.S. has classified the prisoners held at Camp Delta and Camp Echo as illegal combatants. This grants them the rights of the Fourth Geneva Convention, as opposed to the more common Third Geneva Convention which deals exclusively with prisoners of war.

Three British prisoners released in 2004 without charge have alleged that there is ongoing torture, sexual degradation, forced drugging and religious persecution being committed by U.S. forces at Guantanamo Bay and have released a 115-page dossier detailing these accusations

4. Planned attack on Afghanistan prior to 9/11 - news.bbc.co.uk...

A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taleban even before last week's attacks.

Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.

americaforsale.org...

On February 12, 1998, John J. Maresca, vice president of international relations for the Unocal Oil Company, testified before the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on International Relations. Maresca provided information to Congress on Central Asia oil and gas reserves and how they might shape US foreign policy. Unocal's problem? As Maresca said: "How to get the region's vast energy resources to the markets." The oil reserves are in areas north of Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and Russia. Routes for a pipeline were proposed that would transport oil on a 42-inch pipe southward through Afghanistan to the Pakistan coast. This pipeline would cost about $2.5 billion and carry about 1 million barrels of oil per day.

Maresca told Congress, "It's not going to be built until there is a single Afghan government. That's the simple answer."

pages.infinit.net...

Kean promises an aggressive investigation. However, Kean plans to remain President of Drew University and devote only one day a week to the commission. He also claims he would have no conflicts of interest, stating: "I have no clients except the university." However, he once held Board of Director and Executive Committee positions at Amerada Hess, an oil company with extensive investments in Central Asia. In 1998, Amerada Hess created an alliance with the Saudi oil company Delta Oil, calling it Delta Hess. Delta Hess is invested in a number of oil field and pipeline projects in Central Asia. Delta Oil has been one of the main financial partners in a controversial oil pipeline designed to go through Afghanistan.

www.wsws.org...

At the NSC Khalilzad reports to Condoleeza Rice, the national security adviser, who also served as an oil company consultant on Central Asia. After serving in the first Bush administration from 1989 to 1992, Rice was placed on the board of directors of Chevron Corporation and served as its principal expert on Kazakhstan, where Chevron holds the largest concession of any of the international oil companies. The oil industry connections of Bush and Cheney are well known, but little has been said in the media about the prominent role being played in Afghan policy by officials who advised the oil industry on Central Asia.

5. 9/11 Commission members - www.communitycurrency.org...

Thomas Kean

Bush turned to Thomas Kean, who was governor of New Jersey from 1982-1990 and, since 1990, the president of Drew University.

A far better choice, the mainstream media told us. Well, once again oil is the tie that binds.

Fortune magazine reported about Kean�s interesting business partner � Khalid bin Mahfouz, aka "Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law."

The trillion dollar law suit some 9/11 families filed in 2002 lists Mahfouz as an �alleged� financier of al Qaeda.

Mahfouz was at one time a business partner of the Bushes.

Kean is a director of Amerada Hess, a huge oil company. Hess is a partner with Saudi Arabia's Delta Oil in a joint venture in Azerbaijan. According to journalist Chris Floyd, Mahfouz, a Saudi, is one of Delta Oil�s partners.

Delta Oil is part of the joint venture with Unocal for the pipeline through Afghanistan to the Caspian Basin.

According to Floyd, Mahfouz also funneled bin Laden family money through a partner to George W. Bush�s early oil venture, Arbusto. Later, Mahfouz saved Arbusto and Bush from failure through a Swiss bank, a subsidiary of the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), which Mahfouz also owns.

The CIA used BCCI to finance global "black ops.� BCCI�s heyday was during the Reagan administration when George H. W. Bush was vice president.

In the late 1990's, U.S. authorities identified Mahfouz as a major financier of Osama�s extracurricular activities.

Unlike Kissinger and his direct oil contacts, Kean is only a kissing cousin of Mahfouz, who has somehow managed to be a business partner of the Saudis, the Bushes, the bin Ladens, and one member of the 9/11 Commission.

Kean is also in that circle of influential foreign policy institutions. He is a former chair of the Carnegie Corporation of New York. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations since 1991. Then, Rice the current National Security Advisor, who should be at the center of the 9/11 probe, was on the elite organization�s nominating committee.

Kean made headlines in December 2003 when he said that according to what the Commission had learned to date the 9/11 attacks were preventable -- if (lower level) people in the government had done their jobs.

Lee Hamilton
*snip*
Fred Fielding
*snip*
John Lehman
*snip*
Jamie S. Gorelick
*snip*
Philip Zelikow
*snip*

The thing with most of us republicans and conservatives is that we don't want to waste a lot of time trying to argue against something that might not even be real! I seem to recall in one of my posts a while ago, I posted a thing called "Kerry's resume". It had a bunch of funny things that Kerry has done wrong. Since it had to reliable source or evidence, the libs denied it and wouldn't argue against it (Other than proving wrong a few of the many many points it made). All they really did is bring up bad things that BUSH does. One of the favorite strategies from the left I might add. When you can't argue your point, bring up bad things about the other person. (Sorry I couldn't resist)

Originally posted by EnronOutrunHomerun
Haha! See...I knew I was right

An email address does not prove existance either since I have seven email addresses, three which are variations of my real name, one that is for Grady Philpott and two that are just for fun.

[edit on 04/10/18 by GradyPhilpott]

www.onlinejournal.com... hwarz.html

Another article by this guy.

I am a conservative Republican who has come to the conclusion over the past 12 months that I would not vote for Bush Cheney 2004 under bribe, duress or at gunpoint. I have come to that conclusion for many reasons that are well documented and in some instances is information that is known only to myself and several executives that I work with.

I have written a book about my experiences with the Republican National Committee (RNC) and Bush Cheney, and bring forth facts that I found stunning and disgusting to the point that I am convinced that both the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and RNC, and our political system, are in need a serious house cleaning. America needs leadership, not an endless stream of talking heads and game show hosts to keep us entertained. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

More info, interview:
www.dougbasham.com...

Karl Schwarz: Karl W. B. Schwarz resides in Little Rock, AR. He is 53, divorced and has one son. He has not voted for a Democrat since Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 and has been a Conservative Republican for the past 24 years at both the Arkansas and RNC National level.

He is an architect by training with extensive experience in investment banking, workouts, and advanced technology. He is a devout Christian and during the mid to late 1980s, authored a prison ministry. During that time, his keen insights and ability to write developed in delivering a theological message to hardened criminals. He enjoys great restaurants, travel, golf, hunting, fishing, camping, outdoor cooking and spending time with friends and family.

Karl says "I am an American first and second a Conservative Republican that has no intentions of voting for Bush - Cheney 2004. After having given that matter a lot of thought, a lot of soul searching, I have come to the conclusion that Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney and the band of Neocons that they have inserted into key positions within our government do not deserve my support, my loyalty, my respect or my vote."

Click Here to support Basham Radio by purchasing "One Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas: A Conservative Republican Speaks Out."

Another interview: www.meria.net... s.html

10/6/04 - Meria With Karl Schwarz - Demands on Bush
Show opens with revised version of "Cakewalk to Baghdad" by the Country Joe Band www.Countryjoe.com; Karl Schwarz joins me again for an amazing interview on his list of demands sent to Bush, the RNC & the DNC. This coming from a Christian Republican who knows his way around. He is the author of the soon to be published "One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, A Conservative Republican Speaks Out", and President & CEO of Patmos Nanotechnologies. You can write Karl for a copy of his list of demands and reserve your copy of his book at [email protected]. What's the real truth about our National Security? Global Crossing? Who's got the contracts on protecting our country? Our ports? Who is Bridas Corporation and what did that have to do with 9-11 and the war in Iraq?; Why are we hiring criminals like DynCorp and what do they have to do with the anthrax scares? When was the "Patriot Act" penned? 8 out of 10 people on the 911 Commission benefited from Bush's actions; Who is Remington Holdings Inc and why did they get a loan for $130 million for oil and gas in Pakistan?; Why is Israel harboring terrorists? Israel's big cut of the privitization of Iraq; How many trillions have been made on the price of oil due to "terror alerts" (who benefits); Enron and their subsidiary Prisma Energy in the Caymans and Caspian basin?; How many banks in US are laundering money? What about Cheney's bribes in Nigeria? This and so much more. Karl can name names and does. He is challenging both parties to address his demands. Stay tuned for more of the same as Karl returns on October 20th.

Here is another article by Schwarz:
www.onlinejournal.com... hwarz.html

I cannot say for you, but I am rather picky about who I follow in this life or associate with in business or personal activities. I have an aversion to following people who are unethical, immoral or are just flat out liars or phonies. As my grandfather used to say; "do not risk your future or your soul on folks that aren't hemmed in by the truth."

With me it is a business, personal, and religious decision. Being a devout Christian, Conservative Republican and adhering to high standards that I believe in (because they work) has not been easy at times but in the long run has been the right decision.

It seems he is posting in some Bush forums like bushcountry and georgewbush. Last I saw him posting was yesterday in there, so it seems there will be more to come.

Originally posted by FredT
Solid work MA

Thank you, compliment appreciated.

Does the man exist?

Do the questions matter?

What is at issue here?