The Oct. 16, 2012 Presidential debate thread

reply to post by HappyBunny
Yeah, the guy does a lie a minute. Give him an hour and he will write a fictional novel worthy of New York Times Best seller's list. They all lie but Romney seems to have taken this to epic level. Add to the fact his running mate is showing up at soup kitchens unannounced and mooching media op sessions for no good reason leaves a bad taste in many people's mouths.

It's time for Romney to start giving specifics and eliminate his pie in the sky plans that many republicans and experts find reprehensible and irresponsible in this campaign.

Originally posted by Jaellma

reply to post by Deetermined

 

OK, you folks are such suckers for punishment...
31 BIG FAT lies Romney squeezed into 41 minutes..LOL

Let's highlight a couple of those...

2) “I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay.” The Washington Post’s in-house fact checker tore Romney’s claim that he will create 12 million jobs to shreds. The Post wrote that the “‘new math’” in Romney’s plan “doesn’t add up.” In awarding the claim four Pinocchios — the most untrue possible rating, the Post expressed incredulity at the fact Romney would personally stand behind such a flawed, baseless claim.

That's funny, the link to the Washington Post actually making that statement doesn't even link to anywhere. So, I guess this one doesn't count.,

3) “And the president’s right in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent.” 14 percent is a one-year number. “Overall, oil production on federal land under Obama is up from 566 million barrels in 2008 to 626 million barrels in 2011, a 10.6 percent increase.” Compared to the last three years of President Bush, there have been 241 million more barrels of oil produced from public lands in the first three years of Obama.

Really? Overall production may be up from 2008 to 2011, but it's down from the 749 million barrels in 2007.

reply to post by TDawgRex


I just finished watching the debate and haven't read very far in but I have to make a point to TDawg. The debates are entirely scripted and planned for by BOTH political parties. The moderator is agreed upon by both candidates. That's how the Commission on Presidential Debates operates. You've probably seen the thread/video about how the CPD came about, if not it's an informative watch:


ETA: Didn't realize this was 41 pages in, so my video has probably already been posted, but I'll keep reading through it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by HostileApostle
Romney lied his ass off, .

Top Ten Lies of the Second Presidential Debate
10 big lies ... told by OBAMA.

Like I said .. they BOTH lied.

And you used Breitbart, like all good Right Winger Romney supporters do.

Seriously, Breitbart can't fact check, that is like asking a man who outsourced jobs to china to get America back to work. Oh right, that is exactly what the Right Wingers are trying to do.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Has no one actually watched the "real" footage of the press release on September 12. 2012? I'm afraid he DID indeed call it terrorism...the thing is, it's all about the context. Sure, if a buncha p!ssed off extremists attack in a heated rage...that's terrorism too. At the time, they were implying it was outrage over the "movie".

BUT....the point is...he DID say the words "acts of terrorism"...and Romney was wrong...if you wanna get all literal. I have watched the press release from 9-12-2012...perhaps those siding with the Romney should do so as well.

I really hope an asteroid hits the next debate and we won't be stuck with either of them....hey, I can hope.

reply to post by thov420


Yep, seen it.

But thanks for reposting it for those who have not.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Jaellma

reply to post by Deetermined

 

OK, you folks are such suckers for punishment...
31 BIG FAT lies Romney squeezed into 41 minutes..LOL

Let's highlight a couple of those...

2) “I put out a five-point plan that gets America 12 million new jobs in four years and rising take-home pay.” The Washington Post’s in-house fact checker tore Romney’s claim that he will create 12 million jobs to shreds. The Post wrote that the “‘new math’” in Romney’s plan “doesn’t add up.” In awarding the claim four Pinocchios — the most untrue possible rating, the Post expressed incredulity at the fact Romney would personally stand behind such a flawed, baseless claim.

That's funny, the link to the Washington Post actually making that statement doesn't even link to anywhere. So, I guess this one doesn't count.,

3) “And the president’s right in terms of the additional oil production, but none of it came on federal land. As a matter of fact, oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land, and gas production was down 9 percent.” 14 percent is a one-year number. “Overall, oil production on federal land under Obama is up from 566 million barrels in 2008 to 626 million barrels in 2011, a 10.6 percent increase.” Compared to the last three years of President Bush, there have been 241 million more barrels of oil produced from public lands in the first three years of Obama.

Really? Overall production may be up from 2008 to 2011, but it's down from the 749 million barrels in 2007.

How much of that has to do with the moratorium from the Deepwater spill?

Originally posted by AuntB
Can someone people answer what was said after this.....

“Well, think about what the governor — think about what the governor just said. He said when I took office, the price of gasoline was $1.80, $1.86. Why is that? Because the economy was on the verge of collapse, because we were about to go through the worst recession since the Great Depression.”

Why is the reason we have $4 gas now? Was there an answer? I got interrupted and never found out why? Is it because the economy is in such good shape? Maybe I am in my own personal economic depression.

Someone told me the reason fuel is high is because the gov't doesn't have control over the oil companies. Is that what was said in the debate?

This was talked about during the LAST election. The government doesn't control the oil companies. The price of oil is due to speculation--the same thing that caused real estate to go under. It's got nothing to do with supply and demand.

It was the Republicans who informed us of that when Bush was getting the blame for high prices.

Some of the biggest speculators are the big banks and hedge funds.

See here:

money.howstuffworks.com...

money.cnn.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.csmonitor.com...

Originally posted by FlyersFan


This 'fact check' has been proven wrong. Obama did NOT call Benghazi a terrorist act. Obama stuck to the story that it was all due to a spontaneous riot because of a film. He even said so at the United Nations. What Obama said were the words 'acts of terror' ... but he was using that in a general term which was separated from the Benghazi terrorist attack and he even didn't specifically connect Benghazi to those words or to radical islamic terrorism.

That 'fact checker' got that 'fact check' wrong.
And so did 'moderator' Candy who jumped in to save the sinking Obama on it.

it will take days for the real facts to come out... and possibly only after the election if the Øbama team can get its way...

see: www.newswithviews.com...
"BENGHAZI TERROR COVER-UP"


also radio coverage after the debate told listeners that the rose-garden transcript only said generalizations like 'outrageous acts' but Øbama...being force fed talking points by all his handlers convinced himself that he immediately called the event Terror acts -wrong-

the man may have obiquely said the term terror for the embassy strike but only in his best sense of 'Lawyer-eese' so that he essentially covers all the bases ( just as Clinton did his silver tongue stuff)


i had problems with Øbama saying that in his term he created 5 million jobs...

well - yeah , in 2010 he hired a million census workers that were soon back in the unemployment line
let's also count how many of those 5 million jobs were long-term/ full time / career oriented...
jobs in the economic job market---
I will bet a $100-to-a-doughnut that the majority of jobs created were with the TSA and the newly formed DHS

that leaves the sandwitch builders ot the fast food joints... all 2 million of them... the crowning point of the Øbama Jobs Plan(s)...

oh let's not forget that Øbama had to have trained people to disburse that $800 billion in Stimulus... so add another 200,000 accountants that got axed earlier from Goldman Sacs that got jobs for another year maybe


the Øbama jobs acts/plans also relies on financial houses like JPM & BoA to administer the Food Stamp EBT cards, so add another 50,000 jobs created by the Øbama team in 4 years...

that's about 2/3rs of the 5 million JOBs he brags he created in his term.... sheeze the guys a real doofus if he thinks he can BS everyone, all-the-time



Øbama was fibbing on the oil & gas leases & permits and production too...
Romney said it was 50% reduction when in fact it was a decrease of 32% of gas & a 44% decrease in oil, but those figures are in in the generalized 50% range for me---
so Øbama.... shut that trap all that falls out of it is SPIN





now for a 4:34 pause
this is a SNL like spoof on the debate


www.thedailysheeple.com...



~or a link to the original source~

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by LightWarrior11
I expect them to avoid discussing NDAA, GMO foods, Lower class & The Poor, Internet freedom, & Personal freedom (legalizing the plant).

You're right, and it's because so few people care! In the face of economic Armageddon, legal weed is a total joke.

I think Ron Paul was excellent in getting his message out this cycle. In my region of the country, most people seemed very well aquainted with his positions. Few agreed with them. That's the way democracy works. Just because it makes sense to you....

reply to post by HappyBunny

How much of that has to do with the moratorium from the Deepwater spill?

That's a good question, unfortunately, it looks like there's a lot more to that story too....

Coastal governors decry limited role in offshore drilling plan. The Obama administration ignored the wishes of coastal leaders when assembling a plan for offshore drilling near their shores, says a group of Republican governors from Texas, Louisiana and other states. In a letter to President Barack Obama late Wednesday [8/8/2012] and obtained exclusively by Hearst Newspapers, the pro-drilling governors say they are "concerned about the lack of communication from the federal government on critical matters that affect our coastal development." In particular, the group complains that the Interior Department did not consult properly with coastal states on its a plan for selling offshore oil and gas drilling leases from 2012-2017 before finalizing the plan in June.

Committee to Issue Subpoenas for Five Interior Dept. Officials in Drilling Moratorium. The House Natural Resources Committee voted 26-17 today [8/1/2012] to let Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) proceed with issuing subpoenas for five Obama administration officials involved in the disputed report that led to the Gulf drilling moratorium. The officials — who never confirmed an invitation to appear at a hearing last week, thus leading to its postponement until September — are believed to have direct knowledge or involvement in the drafting, editing or review of the Department of the Interior report that was edited to appear as though the moratorium was supported by a panel of engineering experts when it was not.

Interior Department sneaks offshore moratorium past public. While the Obama administration was taking a victory lap last week after the 5-4 Supreme Court decision to uphold the president's signature legislative accomplishment, Obamacare, the Interior Department was using the media black hole to release a much-awaited five-year plan for offshore drilling. That plan reinstitutes a 30-year moratorium on offshore energy exploration that will keep our most promising resources locked away until long after President Obama begins plans for his presidential library. Given the timing, it is clear that the self-described "all of the above" energy president didn't want the American people to discover that he was denying access to nearly 98 percent of America's vast energy potential on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).

Is Salazar the New Holder? Ken Salazar, a former Democratic senator and attorney general of Colorado, was brought into the fold early by Obama's transition team. Since then, his department has been held in civil contempt for refusing to comply with an injunction against the offshore drilling moratorium and has spun the administration line about domestic energy production being up while simultaneously cutting back on oil and gas exploration on federal lands — with leasing falling to the lowest amount of acreage in 20 years.

www.akdart.com...

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

How much of that has to do with the moratorium from the Deepwater spill?

That's a good question, unfortunately, it looks like there's a lot more to that story too....

Coastal governors decry limited role in offshore drilling plan. The Obama administration ignored the wishes of coastal leaders when assembling a plan for offshore drilling near their shores, says a group of Republican governors from Texas, Louisiana and other states. In a letter to President Barack Obama late Wednesday [8/8/2012] and obtained exclusively by Hearst Newspapers, the pro-drilling governors say they are "concerned about the lack of communication from the federal government on critical matters that affect our coastal development." In particular, the group complains that the Interior Department did not consult properly with coastal states on its a plan for selling offshore oil and gas drilling leases from 2012-2017 before finalizing the plan in June.

Committee to Issue Subpoenas for Five Interior Dept. Officials in Drilling Moratorium. The House Natural Resources Committee voted 26-17 today [8/1/2012] to let Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) proceed with issuing subpoenas for five Obama administration officials involved in the disputed report that led to the Gulf drilling moratorium. The officials — who never confirmed an invitation to appear at a hearing last week, thus leading to its postponement until September — are believed to have direct knowledge or involvement in the drafting, editing or review of the Department of the Interior report that was edited to appear as though the moratorium was supported by a panel of engineering experts when it was not.

Interior Department sneaks offshore moratorium past public. While the Obama administration was taking a victory lap last week after the 5-4 Supreme Court decision to uphold the president's signature legislative accomplishment, Obamacare, the Interior Department was using the media black hole to release a much-awaited five-year plan for offshore drilling. That plan reinstitutes a 30-year moratorium on offshore energy exploration that will keep our most promising resources locked away until long after President Obama begins plans for his presidential library. Given the timing, it is clear that the self-described "all of the above" energy president didn't want the American people to discover that he was denying access to nearly 98 percent of America's vast energy potential on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).

Is Salazar the New Holder? Ken Salazar, a former Democratic senator and attorney general of Colorado, was brought into the fold early by Obama's transition team. Since then, his department has been held in civil contempt for refusing to comply with an injunction against the offshore drilling moratorium and has spun the administration line about domestic energy production being up while simultaneously cutting back on oil and gas exploration on federal lands — with leasing falling to the lowest amount of acreage in 20 years.

www.akdart.com...

Your point? I don't have time to read all that.

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

How much of that has to do with the moratorium from the Deepwater spill?

That's a good question, unfortunately, it looks like there's a lot more to that story too....

Coastal governors decry limited role in offshore drilling plan. The Obama administration ignored the wishes of coastal leaders when assembling a plan for offshore drilling near their shores, says a group of Republican governors from Texas, Louisiana and other states. In a letter to President Barack Obama late Wednesday [8/8/2012] and obtained exclusively by Hearst Newspapers, the pro-drilling governors say they are "concerned about the lack of communication from the federal government on critical matters that affect our coastal development." In particular, the group complains that the Interior Department did not consult properly with coastal states on its a plan for selling offshore oil and gas drilling leases from 2012-2017 before finalizing the plan in June.

Committee to Issue Subpoenas for Five Interior Dept. Officials in Drilling Moratorium. The House Natural Resources Committee voted 26-17 today [8/1/2012] to let Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) proceed with issuing subpoenas for five Obama administration officials involved in the disputed report that led to the Gulf drilling moratorium. The officials — who never confirmed an invitation to appear at a hearing last week, thus leading to its postponement until September — are believed to have direct knowledge or involvement in the drafting, editing or review of the Department of the Interior report that was edited to appear as though the moratorium was supported by a panel of engineering experts when it was not.

Interior Department sneaks offshore moratorium past public. While the Obama administration was taking a victory lap last week after the 5-4 Supreme Court decision to uphold the president's signature legislative accomplishment, Obamacare, the Interior Department was using the media black hole to release a much-awaited five-year plan for offshore drilling. That plan reinstitutes a 30-year moratorium on offshore energy exploration that will keep our most promising resources locked away until long after President Obama begins plans for his presidential library. Given the timing, it is clear that the self-described "all of the above" energy president didn't want the American people to discover that he was denying access to nearly 98 percent of America's vast energy potential on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).

Is Salazar the New Holder? Ken Salazar, a former Democratic senator and attorney general of Colorado, was brought into the fold early by Obama's transition team. Since then, his department has been held in civil contempt for refusing to comply with an injunction against the offshore drilling moratorium and has spun the administration line about domestic energy production being up while simultaneously cutting back on oil and gas exploration on federal lands — with leasing falling to the lowest amount of acreage in 20 years.

www.akdart.com...

Your point? I don't have time to read all that.

His point is you can't spend 30 seconds reading....it seems...

reply to post by HappyBunny


Here's a briefer synopsis...

According to the Committee on Natural Resources, President Obama’s proposed 2012-2017 Offshore Drilling Lease Sale Plan locks-away 85 percent of America’s offshore from energy production and re-imposes the pre-2008 offshore moratoria.

Committee Chairman Doc Hastings (R-WA) made the following floor statement on July 24, 2012: “Under the shadow of the Supreme Court’s ruling on Obamacare, the Obama Administration on June 28th quietly announced the President’s proposed final offshore drilling plan for 2012-2017.

www.gop.gov...

For anyone not interested in reading the GOP commentary on the proposal, you can research it yourself by looking up....

H.R. 6168

www.govtrack.us...

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

How much of that has to do with the moratorium from the Deepwater spill?

That's a good question, unfortunately, it looks like there's a lot more to that story too....

Coastal governors decry limited role in offshore drilling plan. The Obama administration ignored the wishes of coastal leaders when assembling a plan for offshore drilling near their shores, says a group of Republican governors from Texas, Louisiana and other states. In a letter to President Barack Obama late Wednesday [8/8/2012] and obtained exclusively by Hearst Newspapers, the pro-drilling governors say they are "concerned about the lack of communication from the federal government on critical matters that affect our coastal development." In particular, the group complains that the Interior Department did not consult properly with coastal states on its a plan for selling offshore oil and gas drilling leases from 2012-2017 before finalizing the plan in June.

Committee to Issue Subpoenas for Five Interior Dept. Officials in Drilling Moratorium. The House Natural Resources Committee voted 26-17 today [8/1/2012] to let Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) proceed with issuing subpoenas for five Obama administration officials involved in the disputed report that led to the Gulf drilling moratorium. The officials — who never confirmed an invitation to appear at a hearing last week, thus leading to its postponement until September — are believed to have direct knowledge or involvement in the drafting, editing or review of the Department of the Interior report that was edited to appear as though the moratorium was supported by a panel of engineering experts when it was not.

Interior Department sneaks offshore moratorium past public. While the Obama administration was taking a victory lap last week after the 5-4 Supreme Court decision to uphold the president's signature legislative accomplishment, Obamacare, the Interior Department was using the media black hole to release a much-awaited five-year plan for offshore drilling. That plan reinstitutes a 30-year moratorium on offshore energy exploration that will keep our most promising resources locked away until long after President Obama begins plans for his presidential library. Given the timing, it is clear that the self-described "all of the above" energy president didn't want the American people to discover that he was denying access to nearly 98 percent of America's vast energy potential on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS).

Is Salazar the New Holder? Ken Salazar, a former Democratic senator and attorney general of Colorado, was brought into the fold early by Obama's transition team. Since then, his department has been held in civil contempt for refusing to comply with an injunction against the offshore drilling moratorium and has spun the administration line about domestic energy production being up while simultaneously cutting back on oil and gas exploration on federal lands — with leasing falling to the lowest amount of acreage in 20 years.

www.akdart.com...

Your point? I don't have time to read all that.

His point is you can't spend 30 seconds reading....it seems...

30 seconds? Did you see all the links in the original article?

reply to post by HappyBunny

30 seconds? Did you see all the links in the original article?

I did. That's why I summarized it to those 3 - 4 paragraphs that you complained were still too long to read.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Hmmm I was unaware an adjective could be considered 'name' calling but you know I also passed grammar in HS. Your one word response to my post could sum up the Republicans in this election, a lack of substance, funny how the people following them are no different. Also if your a woman and voting Republican... you're insane, I'd say the same to any gay men.

Originally posted by HostileApostle
And you used Breitbart, like all good Right Winger Romney supporters do.

LIAR. You've been told dozens of times but you still pump out the lies.
I am NOT a Romney supporter. My posts are proof of that. Knock it off.

Seriously, Breitbart can't fact check,

Apparently Breitbart fact checks better than you do.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
Also if your a woman and voting Republican... you're insane,

I am a woman and I already voted ... Libertarian. You shouldn't listen to the lies of HostileApostles. As my posts show, I am not a Romney fan. FAR from it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by NoJoker13
Also if your a woman and voting Republican... you're insane,

I am a woman and I already voted ... Libertarian. You shouldn't listen to the lies of HostileApostles. As my posts show, I am not a Romney fan. FAR from it.

Doesn't matter, FF. You didn't vote for Obama.

The cult of personality is at fever pitch and will probably remain so until November 7th.