Black Hole holograms and...

Just watched a lecture on the possibility that our universe is a hologram. If there are any believers in this theory, please try to answer the following questions. Thanks.

If the universe is a hologram, with all of it's bits of information stuck in the event horizon of a black hole, how did all of the black holes in our universe get stuck in the event horizon of that black hole? Also, how come the information in those stuck black holes don't appear in our universe and just make everything weird?

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Figuring out what the structure of a black hole is, if it even has one, and the constituents of a black hole, would probably be needed to make any good postulation. Of course, finding out the above mentioned things is close to impossible, especially for modern day science.

A black hole could very well be nothing, but force.

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Good questions.
I have one to add. If the Universe is a hologram - so what?

Thx for posting. I will sit down later and watch it in depth(and comfort).


There are some pretty serious complications involving entropy and having black holes, inside black holes.

It will be interesting to hold his hypothesis up to the light and compare the maths to current theories.

Originally posted by Phage
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Good questions.
I have one to add. If the Universe is a hologram - so what?

Aw, Phage, didn't you hear me calling your name? I was hoping you could answer the questions.

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Good questions.
I have one to add. If the Universe is a hologram - so what?

Feels real enough to me. And if the possibility of a "universal hologram" changes how anyone looks at life, then they obviously don't understand the meaning of life yet. Who cares if it's "real" or not? I have not yet seen an argument that sufficiently debunks solipsism, so it's all moot anyway.

The point is, we're here and nothing will change that. How are we going to use the opportunities that gives us? That's what's important. Doesn't take rocket science to figure this out.

Originally posted by OccamAssassin
Thx for posting. I will sit down later and watch it in depth(and comfort).


There are some pretty serious complications involving entropy and having black holes, inside black holes.

It will be interesting to hold his hypothesis up to the light and compare the maths to current theories.

Maths? The lecturer, Leonard Susskind, says that the math is so extensive that he wouldn't get into it in this video. Personally, I'm glad he didn't.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Good questions.
I have one to add. If the Universe is a hologram - so what?

Feels real enough to me. And if the possibility of a "universal hologram" changes how anyone looks at life, then they obviously don't understand the meaning of life yet. Who cares if it's "real" or not? I have not yet seen an argument that sufficiently debunks solipsism, so it's all moot anyway.

The point is, we're here and nothing will change that. How are we going to use the opportunities that gives us? That's what's important. Doesn't take rocket science to figure this out.

Hey, in my gut I don't believe it. But, what does my gut know? If this holographic stuff is true, though, it would benefit us a lot more to pursue this than religion or any of that metaphysical crap.

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If this holographic stuff is true, though, it would benefit us a lot more to pursue this than religion or any of that metaphysical crap.

How so? The Universe is as it is or is there something within the holographic model which would allow us to alter the very structure of space-time?

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Hey, in my gut I don't believe it. But, what does my gut know? If this holographic stuff is true, though, it would benefit us a lot more to pursue this than religion or any of that metaphysical crap.

So essentially, you would remove the source of hope and meaning from the life of every person alive? I'm all for the truth, but there comes a point when you must ask yourself: if revealing the true source and nature of all that exists would abolish every scrap of meaning that exists today and demoralize every person who will ever live, would you do it?

Because yes, there's a possibility that there IS no meaning to life except exactly what we give it on an individual basis. Moreover, do you have the RIGHT to do that to this world?

There's a certain merit to giving people a reason to live. Would you really want to take that away?

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Your question is not so relative as you may think, scientists don't really know what a black hole can do....or what is really is for sure. So to jump the gun and put a 'roadblock' in the holographic universe theory just because something doesn't fit....and the 'block' in questions has properties still unknown is a little redundant.

Susskind is amazing. He has several lectures on quantum theory and mechanics on YouTube (or did a couple years ago, I assume they are still there). He also wrote a book called The Black Hole War which I highly recommend if you dig on this stuff.

In a nutshell, Stephen Hawking said his concept of black holes and the universe was wrong and Susskind was likely right. Pretty amazing to me.

Now, if I might add to this a little bit.

One thing quantum mechanics takes into account is the observer itself. I have a theory that the pineal gland is a type of observer. It has rods and cones just like an eyeball. I think it observes our "self". It is what keeps us grounded in this reality and prevents us from blinking back into waves of potentiality when we go to sleep.

Just a thought though... I don't have the math skills to try to prove it or anything.

About the questions in the OP. I think it has something to do with Membrane Theory (aka Brane Theory or M Theory).

As far as I can tell, this all stems from the belief among physicists that information cannot be destroyed. Black holes present a problem for that point of view. Stephen Hawking presented a theory to resolve this a couple of years ago, but it depended on the existence of multiple universes and wasn't well received.

Now, I'm sure there's a good reason to think information can't be destroyed. It might even be fundamental to our current models of physics. Too bad. It's pretty clear that once something goes into a black hole it's gone for good. It's also pretty clear by now that the models are fundamentally flawed. The problem is that scientific acceptance is in the hands of old guys who've invested their entire careers in the current models. (Black holes themselves were predicted by Einstein and dismissed as a mathematical fluke for over 60 years.)

I'm going to stop before I start ranting about "dark matter".

Originally posted by Phage
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If this holographic stuff is true, though, it would benefit us a lot more to pursue this than religion or any of that metaphysical crap.

How so? The Universe is as it is or is there something within the holographic model which would allow us to alter the very structure of space-time?

You're asking me? How the hell would I know? lol

I just know that knowledge is power. Maybe instead of trying to find ways to travel the cosmos, we could learn to jump from one edge of an event horizon to another. Yeah? No? (shrug)

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The greatest implication to this video is that energy is information.

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Originally posted by Phage
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If this holographic stuff is true, though, it would benefit us a lot more to pursue this than religion or any of that metaphysical crap.

How so? The Universe is as it is or is there something within the holographic model which would allow us to alter the very structure of space-time?

Come on Phage! Everybody understands that if you can figure out the code you can hack it!
If we discover that there is no spoon, then let the fun begin!

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Hey, in my gut I don't believe it. But, what does my gut know? If this holographic stuff is true, though, it would benefit us a lot more to pursue this than religion or any of that metaphysical crap.

if revealing the true source and nature of all that exists would abolish every scrap of meaning that exists today and demoralize every person who will ever live, would you do it?

Would I abolish every scrap of FALSE meaning? Definitely, and we do it all the time. We tell our kids there's no Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Unicorns, pot of gold at the end of the rainbow - why bother telling them? These beliefs aren't hurting anyone, right? We tell them that these things don't exist simply because they've reached an age where it's time to grow up and put away their fairy tales. We tell them because the truth is more important than make-believe. We tell them because we would be embarrassed if our adult children still believed in fairy tales. And if our adult children still believe in Santa, then we, as parents, have failed to raise mature adults. Also, every day that the majority of the population still believes in gods and magic, is another day we have failed as an intelligent species.

Because yes, there's a possibility that there IS no meaning to life except exactly what we give it on an individual basis. Moreover, do you have the RIGHT to do that to this world?

Do we have a right to tell people that it's wrong to shoot little girls because they want to go to school? Do we have a right to tell people that they will not get 40 virgins in heaven for crashing planes into buildings? Do we have a right to try to convince these people to find another meaning to life? I say, oh yeah.

There's a certain merit to giving people a reason to live. Would you really want to take that away?

Would I really want to take away false reasons? We have this ONE life. To go through this one life believing in lies is a total waste of one's life. I would HATE it if someone had the truth and didn't show me.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
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The greatest implication to this video is that energy is information.

Ahhh, but you missed another implication: Information cannot be destroyed.

I am curious, though, on how if information cannot be destroyed, how could it have been created?

Originally posted by Vitruvius
As far as I can tell, this all stems from the belief among physicists that information cannot be destroyed. Black holes present a problem for that point of view. Stephen Hawking presented a theory to resolve this a couple of years ago, but it depended on the existence of multiple universes and wasn't well received.

Now, I'm sure there's a good reason to think information can't be destroyed. It might even be fundamental to our current models of physics. Too bad. It's pretty clear that once something goes into a black hole it's gone for good. It's also pretty clear by now that the models are fundamentally flawed. The problem is that scientific acceptance is in the hands of old guys who've invested their entire careers in the current models. (Black holes themselves were predicted by Einstein and dismissed as a mathematical fluke for over 60 years.)

I'm going to stop before I start ranting about "dark matter".

That debate went on for about 30 years, but Hawkings finally relented. The information in a black hole is not gone or destroyed. It remains stuck within the event horizon.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
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The greatest implication to this video is that energy is information.

Ahhh, but you missed another implication: Information cannot be destroyed.

I am curious, though, on how if information cannot be destroyed, how could it have been created?

what do you mean information cannot be destroyed ?

I just wrote a 4 page letter on paper...... noone knows what i wrote..... I just put the letter in an envelope and burned it..... I dont remember what i wrote and could not rewrite it..... how can we find out what I wrote?