R.I.P. AMERICA

America should be a home of the FREE. A place where anyone in the world can come to and make something of themselves. This country was BUILT by our founding fathers, whom were escaping the all encompassing claw of the monarchy controlling England and being held down by their laws, taxes and overall hammer fist that beat their lives into submission.

America should've been a place where ANYONE could make it and be a top guy in the world. As kids we saw tv, full of perfect sitcom lives. They showed the comical side of life and not everything else about how life really was.

We were dumbed down by technology and television.

My overall point of this rant is that America was based on freedom from persecution, whether it be religious, political, sexual or personal. We came here to get away from the powers that be and be ourselves.

Throughout the last 300 years we have slacked off as a country and let the monarchies take control again. We were drugged by the higher ups and fell asleep at the wheel. They forced us into an incoherent state of chaos.

We have let ourselves become the same overbearing people and country that we escaped from to begin with because we felt tied down.

Now we as a country are no longer independent, we pay out the ass in taxes, we are controlled by the government, there's not a QUEEN anymore, but we have an interchangeable president who can catch the blame instead of the government itself.

There is no more freedom in this country.

America has lost itself.

It became the mafia of the world.

Keep the focus on the main guy why we beat you and rob you blind from the inside. You can't stop them because the chain if command.

R.I.P. United States of America

1776-2012

"The rebellious teen that turned out exactly like the parents they had forsaken."

If America weren't the home of the free a SWAT team would be busting through your window for speaking negatively of our government.


I dunno about you, but I live in America and I'm pretty damn free. Good luck participating in a society without paying any taxes. Good luck finding a government that isn't somewhat corrupt.


If you want change, run for office

reply to post by Hawking


For now.

I love America too. I just hope there is some way to regain what we once were and stop being about the BS and taxing everyone and making our fate for us. I feel like we have lost the FREE out of FREEDOM to an almost beyond repair.

Things need to change before we as a people lose any more control over our own fate and destiny.

We can't let ourselves be defined by what any president says we are or should be.

Originally posted by Hawking
If America weren't the home of the free a SWAT team would be busting through your window for speaking negatively of our government.


I dunno about you, but I live in America and I'm pretty damn free

To do as your told.

Wasn't someone just sent to federal prison for not testifying in a court case?

Found it. Strangely the topic on ATS after searching in Google was 404ed.

climate-connections.org...

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Thank you for getting his original comment down before he changed it! Haha. It makes a world of difference. Captures politics perfectly.

I'm going to say one thing with great intent. Then, when the other responds, change my original quote entirely, making me not look like the bad guy.

Originally posted by cconn487

Originally posted by Hawking
If America weren't the home of the free a SWAT team would be busting through your window for speaking negatively of our government.


I dunno about you, but I live in America and I'm pretty damn free

To do as your told.

Wasn't someone just sent to federal prison for not testifying in a court case?

Found it. Strangely the topic on ATS after searching in Google was 404ed.

climate-connections.org...

I generally do whatever I feel like doing...all the time. I break the law every day, several times per day and spend a lot of time on the internet expressing anti-government ideas. I talk about hating government officials and politicians. I even suggest sometimes that they meet untimely ends.

I have never been arrested/apprehended/subpoenaed, I've never even been called for jury duty.

I don't know all the details with the girl who refuses to testify. All I know is that she witnessed a crime and refuses to provide witness testimony to a grand jury. The fact that we've even HEARD of her tells me that this nation is not yet a lost cause. In a real fascist society, she'd be abducted and swept under the rug by government officials.

What we were told and what we got are 2 different things completely.

We were told we won our freedom.... no, I live in "New England", a British colony still. Towns, parks, roads, families, all still named after British monarchy. We were never "free".

All we "won" was a whole lot of "Free Dumb."

Originally posted by SuperSeaver
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Thank you for getting his original comment down before he changed it! Haha. It makes a world of difference. Captures politics perfectly.

I'm going to say one thing with great intent. Then, when the other responds, change my original quote entirely, making me not look like the bad guy.

I didn't delete or change anything, I added more information for you and some advice.

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It was an added rebuttal. But an unfair question, saw after u replied.

People can't just "run for office". What America has become these days makes that unpossible.

That's the point.

Freedom is not the ability to do anything you please, without consequence. It's not anarchy. The Founders created a country where less than 1/4 of the population even had a say in government ( only land owning, white males ). Who in the name of God would want a return to that?

This magical realm of absolute freedom that seems to be tempting people? It never existed. Not in the colonies, not in the wilds of the territories - not even in the wild west. Wherever there was as vacuum of law, there was still order. In fact a much deadlier kind. Courts are preferable to lynch mobs any day of the week.

In this false frenzy to get "back to good"? I can only imagine the future looking at us, in history books, and children laughing saying "What? They not only gave their civilization and security away? But they begged for it to happen?"

Amazing.

~Heff

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I read that it took me through several loops. I felt like a jerk for wanting America to be what I've been led to and believe we should be. I felt patriotic for standing my ground. I hated the falsitity that is the fact of what America promises. I loved my freedom for what it is.

That's the promise of America that most see. That's the promise that we yearn for and pretend to build our life upon because we have been told too. The American dream.

That's the dream we are killing by abiding.

Are people finally seeing that? The American dream has been a plan in a box to make people rich from the start?

reply to post by SuperSeaver


I like how you begin your post "...should be the land of the free". Of course it "should be". On that basis you do seem to be aware that the idealism of the Constitution, etc are not being lived up to in the U.S.

The U.S is just what it is. I have only my impression of what it is as someone living in the United Kingdom.

All I can say is I am profoundly influenced by American art. Men like Ezra Pound, T.S Eliot (both were born in the U,S), Bob Dylan (yes he a MAJOR American poet as I am sure time will prove), Woody Guthrie, and many many more have been welcome teachers in my life. I am also aware that there is so much diversity in the U.S that it would be very hard in reality to say what it actually is. Should it just be confined to the narrow definition of the founding fathers?

The U.S has been very destructive to the rest of the world, of that I am sure. The true statistics are terrifying in terms of genocide of Native Americans and war casualties.

I don't think the U.S has ever really been the land of the free; the nearest it ever came to that was when there were only Native Americans living there. The War for Independence, The Civil War, The Dustbowl Storms, Wild West Law of The Gun have kept the U.S in a constant state of turmoil and restriction of one kind or another.

Seems to me like the ideals are still intact. I doubt those ideals can ever be lived up to by any state. There are no states in history I have ever read about who achieved that.

Like Woody sang,

"This Land is your land, this Land is my Land
This Land was made for you and me".

Go tell Obama and Romney about that. Any notion of freedom was asssasinated alongside Abraham Lincoln, J.F.K, Martin Luther King and all the other men of ideals. Instead men like Albert Pike, Edgar Hoover, Henry Kissinger and George Bush Snr got to do their much less imaginative and much more murderous thing there!

Peace!


edit; In one word I believe that FEDERALISM is the enemy of the U.S. Kennedy and Lincoln were well bloody right about that. So was Ezra Pound. Read up on Ezra Pound. It will answer a lot of questions.

My dating of America's death and birth may have been off by a couple hundred years, based on what others are saying. 1776-2012.

If others say America died hundreds of years ago, I can only raise a large middle finger to them.

Other countries have envied us and tried to be us for many years. Hollywood has influenced the entire planet into being the bleeding cowboy of the world. Everyone is going to say "Yippie Kay yay mother ******" at some point. We all want to be there.

It won't happen. Our illusions of grandeur are only reflected by what we present.

America gives us those individuals all the time.

Jack Bauer is all of us.

America is NOT dead.

I just proved myself wrong based on your comments.

Lets hope Jack can save us.

.......there is no Jack.......

All the "contrary" evidence to refute my claim is only damning in the long run to show that America IS NOT dead.

America never existed.

Not the America we've been led to follow.

"Seahorses. Forever."

Originally posted by SuperSeaver
My dating of America's death and birth may have been off by a couple hundred years, based on what others are saying. 1776-2012.

If others say America died hundreds of years ago, I can only raise a large middle finger to them.

Other countries have envied us and tried to be us for many years. Hollywood has influenced the entire planet into being the bleeding cowboy of the world. Everyone is going to say "Yippie Kay yay mother ******" at some point. We all want to be there.

It won't happen. Our illusions of grandeur are only reflected by what we present.

America gives us those individuals all the time.

Jack Bauer is all of us.

America is NOT dead.

I just proved myself wrong based on your comments.

Lets hope Jack can save us.

.......there is no Jack.......

I don't think it is dead yet either. The U.S is still very young. There is hope yet. Just in the posts here on ATS I see the ideals very much alive in all their diversity. That's good to see. I like coming here to pick up on the REAL U.S vibes. At its best the U.S is so full of vibrancy, ideas and enthusiasm. I sadly don't find that here in the U.K any longer. The U.K is incredibly narrow minded and focussed in comparison. It is hum drum and everyone is becoming the same. It is a kind of fascism creeping in. I almost worship diversity and imagination you see. The U.S certainly still has a lot of that.

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As a country we are losing sight if that over here too. As a whole. It's people in ATS that see what we pretend to be, and try to live up to that.

That's why I love this place.

In ATS we can voice opinions are speak freely.

That's a freedom shared worldwide in all countries that give their people the freedom of speech.

The problem is that speech doesn't mean bubkus without means. Say all you want but don't stand up and fight.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

That's America.

Say what you will. Say what you mean.

Try to do anything other than "say" and you're done for.

America has fought for freedom of speech for so long that its our only freedom left. We are allowed to say anything we want and allowed to vocalize any problems we have with our government.

That's ALL we are allowed to do. Vocalize opinions and freely speak. If any of us were ever to physically act out it gather a crowd to oppose...

DEAD.

Originally posted by SuperSeaver
reply to post by Revolution9

 

As a country we are losing sight if that over here too. As a whole. It's people in ATS that see what we pretend to be, and try to live up to that.

That's why I love this place.

In ATS we can voice opinions are speak freely.

That's a freedom shared worldwide in all countries that give their people the freedom of speech.

The problem is that speech doesn't mean bubkus without means. Say all you want but don't stand up and fight.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."

That's America.

Say what you will. Say what you mean.

Try to do anything other than "say" and you're done for.

America has fought for freedom of speech for so long that its our only freedom left. We are allowed to say anything we want and allowed to vocalize any problems we have with our government.

That's ALL we are allowed to do. Vocalize opinions and freely speak. If any of us were ever to physically act out it gather a crowd to oppose...

DEAD.

Yes, I got all that. Thank you. I think it is that way in most countries, if not all. Julian Assange is still holed up in the embassy here in London. The U.S wants him, of that we can be sure. Manning is still in jail for blowing the whistle on war atrocities. Others. too!

Obviously those who are the real powers are very frightened about any emerging challenge to the system if it becomes popular.

I am one who would never resort to violence to achieve my objectives. I am also not popular or known about. The ideas I stand up for are considered fringe and "alternative" at best. As it stands here in the U.K I am free to be who I am. I do not take it for granted. I assert myself wherever I can in my own life. I seem to be allowed to be who I am. I get a bit of isolation because I am not mainstream, but I can live with that.

The people that scare them are the ones who challenge the system to change contrary to their wishes. Anyone who does that is sure to wind up being framed in one respect or another or even assasinated as you say.

In this respect we are not atall free. I often use Ezra Pound as an example because he got locked up by the U.S for treason. His WORDS and IDEAS were locked away in a lunatic asylum. He never actually commited a physical crime. He was too dangerous to them you see. I don't agree atall with Ezra Pound about his politics, but he is spot on about his deep worries of Usury becoming the system. I think Usury is the great evil in this. I don't blame Jews for it. It is not about that. It is the whole concept of it. It is raping us all. It is even destroying the rich morally and in terms of karma (in which I very much believe).

The U.S is a victim of brazen Usury. Usury is the criminal. Hate the sin and not the sinner. Usury is what it is: By its nature it exploits. The financial and economical (most important areas of human welfare, aspiration and development in physical terms) consequences of Usury are exploitation. It is dictating to us all; socialogically and pyschologically.

I wish we all could be free of Usury. It is a prison and it will destroy us all in one way or another. Usury as it stands is only a very recent idea in the world. There are other ways. However those with the power are only powerful because of the power we give them. So they have to insure that we give them that power. They will use violent force if and when necessary. That is reality I guess.

Hope you don't mind me ranting onto you. This is just an observation of mine and a world view I have. Like I said I am just some well read guy thinking, reading and observing the world I live in. I have ideals of humanity and care. In this world I appear to be back to front. The power resides with those who use other means. Their intentions are not quite so altruistic or mutually beneficial to all as it stands.

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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Nice.... very true. Sheeple believe they are free. It's taken me 50+ years to figure out that freedom comes from within.