There are as many paths to God as there are people

reply to post by TRUELIES11


Amen to that

reply to post by wildtimes

But no one can walk it with us, really. They can shout directions and best wishes from their own paths, but....

This is true. I'll give an example from earlier on.

I once asked, pleaded, and begged Father to give me the answers now, so that I may know what to do moving forward. But, all his response, was that you will see. That answer didn't help me, and it caused more frustration than I could fathom.

But, in that time, I learned in my own way, I learned many different things in which I could not have forseen even with the answers given. It took me learning by going through many different situations to fully see the whole picture. If I asked Father for one answer, that answer would have grown to me asking even more questions, and too much time would have been spent on me asking questions.

Father teaches by letting you experience it or showing you it, not by just telling you the answers. So, when you have learned, when faced with the situation or event you can know what to do, instead of saying, wait, God, I need an answer on how to proceed. Because said event will pass you by, if you are not ready.

reply to post by jhill76

Father teaches by letting you experience it or showing you it, not by just telling you the answers. So, when you have learned, when faced with the situation or event you can know what to do, instead of saying, wait, God, I need an answer on how to proceed. Because said event will pass you by, if you are not ready.

Bravo.

Yeah. ^^^^^^^^
That.

What people perceive as different paths is the same path. If you were to give a group of people a camera each to record while walking a path and then you were to watch the recording of each of those people walking the path, no two recordings of that path would be the same but the path is the same path.

The difference between the two paths is people are eating.

The finding of God is the end of the feeling of lack.
Are you really lacking or is it just a thought that keeps the drama alive?

'Neediness - Is There Really Anything Lacking?'
www.youtube.com...

Of course you people have not noticed registered users of the Above Top Secret website from prior to late in the year 2010 are not posting to what you people write because those people know to stay away. Only a select few of course which is suspicious.
People registered before the year 2010 are writing but are separate.

Similar to what I wrote. Two paths.

Originally posted by TRUELIES11
THE TITLE OF YOUR THREAD AND THE OFF-SITE CONTENT YOU PROVIDED MAKES NO SENSE. THAT IDEA MEANS MULTIPLY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BY THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME IS THE NUMBER OF PATHS. NONSENSE.

THERE ARE TWO PATHS AND ONE OF THOSE PATHS IS THE WRONG PATH.

The Truth is like a diamond, there are many facets.

Religion is like Ice Cream, there are many flavors but it's all still Ice Cream.

...and like drops of water flowing towards the ocean, each drop will take a different path but they all wind up in the same place.

....the most spiritual experience you will ever have comes from the simple act of letting go.

spirituality is very subjective, people can find contentment by getting attached to a variety of things or by practicing customs/rituals.
and ya, so the example of climbing mountain through any of the many paths fits.
But now, God is absolute, so example should be, say, mathametics (2+2=4) and anybody who says otherwise is, well not so wise.
To summarise, spirituality is a state of mind and can be reached by even questionable rituals. But God can be found on just one path, n the state of spirituality achieved after that is the true sprituality.

reply to post by logical7

spirituality is very subjective,

And so is each individual human's life-experience.

Therefore, each of us will find our own way to learn "God", who we are, where we're from, and where we're headed...
just like I am the only one who sees from behind my eyes.....

I am the only one who can find my subjective and personal way to reunion with God/the Divine.

This life is a learning experience. It's not a rehearsal. Every person has unique experiences, and so will walk a unique path. Eventually, though, I believe we all get there. With time, mistakes, pain, stretching beyond our comfort zones, and honest self-examination. It's a huge question:
...what lies beyond....???

reply to post by wildtimes



I agree with you, eventually we all get there. I've had plenty of heated discussions on that subject with my Christian friends who interpret the teachings of Jesus in a different way than I do. My personal beliefs regarding the Messiah incarnation are vastly different than accepted modern doctrine. (One example would be that I believe the Messiah incarnation occurs every 2,500 yrs or so... give or take a few years....) I think a valid argument can be made using only the Gospels as reference which supports the assertion that all human souls are bound for ascension.

...after all .....what is The Creators ultimate goal?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by logical7

 

spirituality is very subjective,

And so is each individual human's life-experience.

Therefore, each of us will find our own way to learn "God", who we are, where we're from, and where we're headed...
just like I am the only one who sees from behind my eyes.....

I am the only one who can find my subjective and personal way to reunion with God/the Divine.

This life is a learning experience. It's not a rehearsal. Every person has unique experiences, and so will walk a unique path. Eventually, though, I believe we all get there. With time, mistakes, pain, stretching beyond our comfort zones, and honest self-examination. It's a huge question:
...what lies beyond....???

Indeed!!
But do people assume that they can do what they wish and claim that its their personal path??
Ya self knowledge is a requirement to reach and know God.
But again people think that the whole life should be spent the way they want and ultimately find the solution and suddenly they would be ready for beyond.
A person is either a true seeker or no seeker. There are no part time seekers.

reply to post by logical7

But do people assume that they can do what they wish and claim that its their personal path??

I don't know what people "assume", but assuming is generally frowned upon at all times, isn't it?

I do think some people behave recklessly and thoughtlessly. But everyone makes bad choices from time to time.

But to just skip on ahead to the next day with no self-reflection at all isn't what I'd call "healthy." Like a spoiled rich kid who totals every car the folks give him, knowing he'll just get another one; or that since Dad is a cop/lawyer/Prosecutor they have immunity.....obviously that's not appropriate. It's pathological to have NO feelings or remorse or guilt or disappointment....

I suspect those people, even if they dress up and go to worship services every week....or twice a week!....think they have an easy-out. I don't think they will. But, I might be totally incorrect about that.

reply to post by wildtimes

....think they have an easy-out. I don't think they will.

Out of . . what?
The universe . . being human?
I don't think that happens for anyone.

Out of a bad time between this life and the next . . maybe.
There is a reason why we have the opportunity which is this current life.
It isn't meaningless and we should not throw it away.
Our next will not be any better if we do.

reply to post by jmdewey60

Out of . . what?
The universe . . being human?
I don't think that happens for anyone.

....Out of responsibility for the consequences of their actions, particularly harm or indifference to others, I would say.
Others might say "out of hell". After all, if a person believes they have only one life, and that a simple "I believe in Jesus" is all that is required at the end of that destructive and selfish lifetime for them to have eternal bliss and peace...what incentive is there to actually BE a good person?

I don't think it works either, but it seems there are people who go to church regularly, even confession, and then walk out with a brand new chance to do the same crummy things again, because, well, all that is required is to confess it to a priest, who then says "it's fine, God forgives you"....

Like I said, I don't think they are aware or even consider that the consequences will be paid back upon them, in this lifetime or the next. Suffering doled out = suffering returning like a boomerang. Eventually. Until one finally stops being crummy and selfish and indifferent.

At least, I hope so. And my own shortcoming in that regard is hoping they get what's coming to them. Not very charitable of me. It's something I struggle with every day. Not supposed to wish anyone ill, right? Well, I can't stop it; though I try hard to empathize, to understand, be compassionate, there are people for whom I have NO SYMPATHY, because they have earned my contempt by their behavior.

I really don't think "God" is that amiable. No, one needs to struggle to get to reunion with the Divine. Just as one has to struggle to learn to walk when born; humans are born "premature" compared to other mammals due to their size. They mature very slowly, and I think that is a reflection of our soul's development as well. It takes a bunch of times being human to finally learn how to be worthy of reunion with the Divine.

At least, that's how I feel about it this morning.
Karma makes the most sense to me; not in just a "trendy New Agey fringe loony way because it's cool to say so"...but just as the churches' Book says ALSO:
You reap what you sow.

reply to post by wildtimes

I really don't think "God" is that amiable.

If you really think so, that is a good reason why not to dwell on other people's possible punishment.
We can rest assured it will be left in good hands and does not require our input.
I don't really think about it, having faith it will be taken care of.
I wish people well and that they learn what they are supposed to given the circumstances.
Which of course is different for everyone as the thread title might imply.

reply to post by jmdewey60

If you really think so, that is a good reason why not to dwell on other people's possible punishment.

Correct, jm. I have to leave it in the hands of the Other, and have faith it will happen that way.

But, there is no guarantee, and there is no evidence, either, that "poetic justice" or "karmic debt" actually occurs. It's really an externalized system of justice that bypasses humanity's ability to enforce morality. Assuming someone/something else will take care of it.....
is that really all we can manage?
Yes, I am required to leave people to their consequences; to have to lie in the bed they made for themselves. Meanwhile, at the expense of how many starving children? How many abused spouses? How many decent people who have been disenfranchised?

It's an insurmountable dilemma for me.....I feel the responsibility to promote justice, but am burdened by powerlessness to do anything to stop them except suggest they stop.

reply to post by wildtimes

I feel the responsibility to promote justice . . .

That is right to do and our responsibility in the capacity that we are allowed to.
What I mean is what happens to other people beyond this life, we are out of that loop so should not worry about it, and concentrate on what we can do something about.

I wrote there are two paths which isn't true. I know now that isn't the case because I know now people are not in control of what they believe anymore.

reply to post by TRUELIES11

Interesting that you now retract your earlier claims.

Would you care to expound some more?
What has 'enlightened' you to thinking now that there are NOT two paths (how many are there, then?) and thinking that people are not in control of what they believe?