This Young girl committed suicide by social media !

reply to post by dayve

If you felt like what? Im not gonna pretend to sympathize with some random suicidal teen on the internet, to please the next person... I have no kind words to say about her, i dont know her. And this isn't facebook...

It doesn't matter if this isn't Facebook. The point is to recognize that something happened when it never should have gotten that far...this girl was pushed to a point that is, in the human nature, literally unnatural. Everyone kills everyone else because they are afraid of losing their own odds of surviving, and this chick beats everyone to the punch and ends herself? That's just not in the rule book of survival.

In a world where it's dog eat dog, to have a dog eat itself is to have a cause to take a really close look at the world. There should be NO REASON to kill yourself. If there is, something was very, very wrong. You seem to be displaying some incredibly short-sighted tendencies here, if Amanda's death means nothing to you. Even if it's just some girl who had nothing to do with you personally, her death should strike you has a symptom of serious sickness in the world - because she wasn't the first, and she won't be the last.

And if you can't see that, you're in some serious denial. I see this as a cry for help in a savage, desolate world, a single white flag in a vast ocean of blood and ash...does no one else see this? Will this just get swept under the rug like everything else?

It seems that compassion and empathy are truly dead, or dying, in this world. What a shame.

Originally posted by LoneCloudHopper2

Originally posted by dayve

Originally posted by stormspike
reply to post by dayve

 

This sounds like the selfish bullying attitude. If I felt like this I would find it hard to look myself in the mirror.

I too knew someone who took their life. It saddened me and I wondered if I could have helped. So now I watch and listen out for those who seem down. I kind word here and there can help. I have no problem looking at my face in a mirror.

If you felt like what? Im not gonna pretend to sympathize with some random suicidal teen on the internet, to please the next person... I have no kind words to say about her, i dont know her. And this isn't facebook...

Can you not understand that the whole point that people are trying to get through to you is that she is NOT "some random suicidal teen", some statistic, she was a real, flesh-and-blood human being who was so overcome with hurt and depression, due to the hatefulness and apathy she was facing, that she took her own life?

And that's my problem, y? Happens everyday. Instead of mourning this strangers death n worrying about how everybody else feels... y don't you guys try n help another teenager who is on her shoes, and prevent this from happening again. Me not caring should not be an excuse for you care bears to let another life slip away.....

Another example of why kids shouldn't be allowed on the internet freely or social networking.

Why was this kid allowed web cam access where she could flash adults? WHERE were her parents! I blame her parents for her troubles. When will parents take responsibility for their kids actions instead of blaming others.

I feel bad for this girl but it could have been prevented if her PARENTS were actual PARENTS and didn't just give her free reign of the internet to entertain her. Are parents that ignorant to the internet and what kids will do?

Too many kids today worry too much about what others think. It's also sad at how being "bad" or a bully is "cool." Just look at shows like Bad Girls Club, Jersey Shore, Gossip Girl and so on. None of those shows have any morals to them like shows did when I was a kid. They show that being a spoiled rotten bad brat is ok and acceptable. I feel bad for kids today.

Originally posted by nightstalker78
LoneCloudHopper2 :

That's just it to many people here,she is just that,a statistic.Yes,she was a real person.But NO ONE posting on this thread knew her.This kind of thing happens every day,everywhere.It is not up to a bunch of strangers on the Internet to feel sorry for her.I'm of the belief that her personal life is just that,hers.This story has been skewed from the get go by the media.As a human being I do have sympathy for this girl and her family,I really do. But a bigger part of me KNOWS that a lot of what's being reported is not the truth.

edit on 15-10-2012 by nightstalker78 because: (no reason given)

Her story reveals things about modern society (which we all live in) that may be alarming for those of us who live in it, who have (or will have) children living in it. This kind of thing can repeat. There are problems. Even without compassion for this girl, you should find this concerning if for nothing else but logic.

I had yet another "memorial" to go to on the 13th.. Im getting sick of going to funerals and memorials for suicides among my kids' friends and kids I care about and kids I work with. I have a hard time not being pissed off these days concerning it. Kids kill themselves for the most asinine reasons and leave everyone else to deal with it. The recent memorial? The kid lived in my home for a while when younger and I loved him. He left when he was of age, got in with bad kids, had issues with mom and step-dad and decided to blow his brains out on his moms couch with his step dads gun. Guess he showed them, huh? Suicide isnt always due to despair.

Im also annoyed beyond belief by those who cover their own death groupieness, bully tendencies, and idiotic toxic behavior with just gushing all over the one who decided to kill themselves.. repeatedly. Its really transparent and really annoying. I find this behavior more frightening and alarming than the bullying.

So, how many kids have you all spoken with today? How many "outcasts" have you invited to lunch or given a smile? How many times have you just done the right thing for someone else and not stood around for your kudos? Just what are you doing, you doers of all things good, to walk the walk? Do we just gush all over the ones that are already dead and claim that is empathy and compassion? When do we realize empathy and compassion are talents best utilized as actions?


The folks who are not so sympathetic to the girl who killed herself.. Im okay with your opinion. I dont agree, but understand it. I am more comfortable with you than the ones who pretend this all consuming empathy for others and go right on being toxic little bullies themselves.. and think that others dont see it.

Originally posted by Advantage
I had yet another "memorial" to go to on the 13th.. Im getting sick of going to funerals and memorials for suicides among my kids' friends and kids I care about and kids I work with. I have a hard time not being pissed off these days concerning it. Kids kill themselves for the most asinine reasons and leave everyone else to deal with it. The recent memorial? The kid lived in my home for a while when younger and I loved him. He left when he was of age, got in with bad kids, had issues with mom and step-dad and decided to blow his brains out on his moms couch with his step dads gun. Guess he showed them, huh? Suicide isnt always due to despair.

Im also annoyed beyond belief by those who cover their own death groupieness, bully tendencies, and idiotic toxic behavior with just gushing all over the one who decided to kill themselves.. repeatedly. Its really transparent and really annoying. I find this behavior more frightening and alarming than the bullying.

So, how many kids have you all spoken with today? How many "outcasts" have you invited to lunch or given a smile? How many times have you just done the right thing for someone else and not stood around for your kudos? Just what are you doing, you doers of all things good, to walk the walk? Do we just gush all over the ones that are already dead and claim that is empathy and compassion? When do we realize empathy and compassion are talents best utilized as actions?


The folks who are not so sympathetic to the girl who killed herself.. Im okay with your opinion. I dont agree, but understand it. I am more comfortable with you than the ones who pretend this all consuming empathy for others and go right on being toxic little bullies themselves.. and think that others dont see it.

You are assuming that those of us who have compassion for strangers, arn't doing anything to help those who we know personally that are suicidal. That is rather strange. Speaking for myself, I have helped people I know and strangers. Why would we want any kudos or anything in return? Seeing that person go on to lead a normal life is certainly thanks enough and more than we could have hoped for.

Why would you assume or think that those of us who have compassion are 'pretending'???
Had I have known about this Amanda before she took her life, I would have reached out to her and tried my best to help. My compassion would have been real. I would have genuinely cared and hoped for the best for this child.

I have helped one of our very own members here ate ATS who had his mind made up that he was going to end it all. He is now re-married and has a beautiful little girl. Wow! See how profound and wonderful compassion for another can be? But I guess you see that as 'transparent' and 'annoying'.

reply to post by Advantage


I literally tear up when I hear stories like this, when I see the victim's face and hear details. I've always been this way and it’s partly why I rarely follow the news. Maybe my compassion is stronger than usual, but that's how I am. Different people are different, and that's an important point because what one might feel like a ‘mosquito bite’ could be fatal to another. It's difficult to judge how sensitive a person is, or how much crap they've been through that they never admit, or in some cases how low their self-esteem may already be. Someone can go through tremendous psychological hardship and still walk around with a smile, hiding it pretty well. That smile may be the very thing they are holding onto: a positive attitude, and it can a pretty thin string. A single snide remark could be what tips the balance. Some would say, "Ah-ha, this one killed himself because he was made fun of today, what a spoiled brat he must have been!" Meanwhile, the true weight that the person carried went unknown to perhaps everyone around him.

The opposite is also true: a small kindness can be enough to brighten someone's day. This might start a positive way of thinking/feeling that leads to someone breaking from their depression, or ultimately deciding not to commit suicide. Others have told me of how such small things have impacted them in profound ways, and likewise, I myself have experienced them.

I don’t care for false sympathy or pity, myself (it should be sincere.) But at the very least we should be more considerate of others around us. You can't judge everyone by yourself, you never know how big ‘something small’ can be.

Besides which, when kids are saying outright vicious things, they know how nasty they are being (that's the point of being nasty, isn't it?)

Originally posted by Night Star

Originally posted by Advantage
I had yet another "memorial" to go to on the 13th.. Im getting sick of going to funerals and memorials for suicides among my kids' friends and kids I care about and kids I work with. I have a hard time not being pissed off these days concerning it. Kids kill themselves for the most asinine reasons and leave everyone else to deal with it. The recent memorial? The kid lived in my home for a while when younger and I loved him. He left when he was of age, got in with bad kids, had issues with mom and step-dad and decided to blow his brains out on his moms couch with his step dads gun. Guess he showed them, huh? Suicide isnt always due to despair.

Im also annoyed beyond belief by those who cover their own death groupieness, bully tendencies, and idiotic toxic behavior with just gushing all over the one who decided to kill themselves.. repeatedly. Its really transparent and really annoying. I find this behavior more frightening and alarming than the bullying.

So, how many kids have you all spoken with today? How many "outcasts" have you invited to lunch or given a smile? How many times have you just done the right thing for someone else and not stood around for your kudos? Just what are you doing, you doers of all things good, to walk the walk? Do we just gush all over the ones that are already dead and claim that is empathy and compassion? When do we realize empathy and compassion are talents best utilized as actions?


The folks who are not so sympathetic to the girl who killed herself.. Im okay with your opinion. I dont agree, but understand it. I am more comfortable with you than the ones who pretend this all consuming empathy for others and go right on being toxic little bullies themselves.. and think that others dont see it.

You are assuming that those of us who have compassion for strangers, arn't doing anything to help those who we know personally that are suicidal. That is rather strange. Speaking for myself, I have helped people I know and strangers. Why would we want any kudos or anything in return? Seeing that person go on to lead a normal life is certainly thanks enough and more than we could have hoped for.

Why would you assume or think that those of us who have compassion are 'pretending'???
Had I have known about this Amanda before she took her life, I would have reached out to her and tried my best to help. My compassion would have been real. I would have genuinely cared and hoped for the best for this child.

I have helped one of our very own members here ate ATS who had his mind made up that he was going to end it all. He is now re-married and has a beautiful little girl. Wow! See how profound and wonderful compassion for another can be? But I guess you see that as 'transparent' and 'annoying'.

Why exactly do you think Im talking about YOU or people on here?? I dont recall mentioning YOU or posters in this thread. The knee jerk reaction is ridiculous. I said pretty clearly that I went to a memorial in REAL LIFE and am sick of the BS. But go ahead and "call me down".. oh understanding and compassionate one

Ever been to a funeral or memorial and tons of people show up.. and start drama.. not to mention the ones who were more than happy to make the kids life a living hell show up? Ever stood with the parent of the kid and watched it? Watched the girl mentioned in the note not so kindly stand there and suck up sympathy like a freaking vampire.. whining and bawling in her act? Then you have those you know what their hand in it was and come to the mother.. to give sympathy and lie about how they tried to help. No? Then dont preach to me and rattle on because you are not speaking about what I am unless you condone this behavior. YES.. I certainly DO find this transparent and annoying. If you dont, you have a serious problem. Next time dont center every post all about you.. because it wasnt about you.

It's enraging because...well...I could post about a dozen images from Facebook of this page called 4chan, every day there's two or three threads posted where 95% of the people who post are verbally tearing into this chick, even though she's dead.

You might ask, "Why do you even have that page on Facebook?"

I would reply, "So I am reminded every day that despite all the illusions we uphold about our envisioned compassion and humanity, we're still just one global cesspit of idiotic intestinal rot."

Like I said, if you wanted proof, I could show you the hundreds of Facebook users who are laughing - LAUGHING!! - at this tragedy, and saying she deserved it, and calling her every name in the book, and textually slapping anyone who tries to defend her.

It's days like this I could watch the world burn and not shed a single tear.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


just flipped on the news and apparently anonymous has just tracked down the perp. He's a 32 y/o guy and they have published is name, phone number and address. They also managed to track his online footprint and it seems he's also affiliated with some child porn sites.

But ya, everyone continue bashing this girl and lets not mention a word of the pedo scum who basically drove this girl mad. Let's continue to encourage all the mindless teenagers mob like mentality. While we're at it, let's let some of the adult bullies come to this thread and we'll give them the conch, only because there is the first amendment.

So carry on wayward with your diatribe, for I do not care.
Let those who stand with me find in what is fair
your cruel and misguided ways will lead you all astray
A poison on society as we purge you all away.

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

just flipped on the news and apparently anonymous has just tracked down the perp. He's a 32 y/o guy and they have published is name, phone number and address. They also managed to track his online footprint and it seems he's also affiliated with some child porn sites.

This is the kind of information I keep coming back to this thread for. Can you confirm this with some news website?

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings

Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

just flipped on the news and apparently anonymous has just tracked down the perp. He's a 32 y/o guy and they have published is name, phone number and address. They also managed to track his online footprint and it seems he's also affiliated with some child porn sites.

This is the kind of information I keep coming back to this thread for. Can you confirm this with some news website?

I posted it in breaking about 10 min ago but it hasn't popped up yet. However, I did make this thread which has it...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why is it that when someone is told that their lack of coping is okay. They can't stop talking about what ever instance, no matter the intensity, or lack of. I expect soon to learn of a singer who rises to fame with a lack of talent because they were booed on stage.

Originally posted by Hockenberry
Why is it that when someone is told that their lack of coping is okay. They can't stop talking about what ever instance, no matter the intensity, or lack of. I expect soon to learn of a singer who rises to fame with a lack of talent because they were booed on stage.

When a loud raging heartless audience boo`s a child on stage for a poor performance and follows that child for years just to cause the child grief (and those that support them),you can expect a loud and vocal outrage toward the gutter trash that can not and will not see their behaviour and performance worse than the childs.

Originally posted by popcornmafia

Originally posted by Catacomb

There was a lot more to it than Facebook bullying...did you actually watch her video? Or, did you just post on here to show how thoughtless and callous you can be when someone takes their own life? You obviously put zero effort into learning why she took her own life.

She moved several times, and was harassed, bullied, and beaten, in real life. It wasn't just when she was on the internet. The bullying is a direct cause of her killing herself, and just because you can take people treating you badly, doesn't mean everyone can. Everyone is different, and some people just can't stand up to others, and cannot take harassment. They do not want to live, and can't see a way to live when every day of their life is full of depression and hatred towards them.

That is what bullying does, and people who have never been through it, or don't understand why someone would want to take their own life, please do us all a favor, and keep your heartless posts to yourself. There was enough bullying in this girl's life, she doesn't need to be bullied and made fun of in death, as she was in life.

edit on 12-10-2012 by Catacomb because: (no reason given)

There are weak minded people in this world, there are strong minded people.
During the holocaust, Jews endured a hell of a lot more
and they fought for their.lives. Did Ann frank take.a.gun
and blow her brains.out... no she fought and.fought
and fought. Dont give me that BS

In all fairness that's a pretty sugar coated version of events. Of course Anne Frank didnt put a gun to
Her head, the Nazis first order or business was confiscation of firearms. When I think of people fighting and fighting as you say, I generally don't think of people who went into hiding as being the productive fighting force you reckon them to be. Do you see what I've done? I just made an asinine statement about a situation I could never comprehend because I Haven't livened through it. Perhaps you should shelve your condemnations in deference to a little humanity. By judging this little girl you simply cast stones upon your own character so spare me the self pious homilies and get off your soapbox

reply to post by Xaphan


This is what I wrote in reply to his YouTube video:

Most such stories are ignored by the media. If someone's story actually makes it big (for whatever reason) it is good for bringing attention to the subject of bullying by those who care (and have cared) about it. Not EVERYONE only cares because they can pat themselves on the back.

Comparing this to other horrific events sounds contradictory to even your own expressed concern on the subject, which just makes you sound like you are trying to sound smart here, instead of being fully honest with us.

Honestly, YouTubers like TheAmazingAtheist confuse me. I can't tell if he's trying to be a comedian (making clever points mixed with odd contradictions just to be whacky and entertaining) or if he’s a sensationalist (in which case he really just likes the sound of his own voice, giving ‘shocking opinions’ to get as much attention as possible.) Either way, I can’t take him seriously.

reply to post by LoneCloudHopper2

To be honest I usually don't take him seriously either. He does seem to be a bit of a troll in the sense that he gets off on getting people worked up over various topics. However he did make a good point in that video. Why is everybody making such a big deal out of the Amanda Todd incident when there are quite a few other bullying related suicides that didn't get much media attention?

reply to post by Xaphan


Probably because she was a young, white, middle-class female and the mainstream media had nothing else to tell a big story about. It doesn't really matter to me why they ran with this story (and not one of the countless other victims' stories out there), but that it is making news and drawing attention to the issue of bullying. The media is what draws attention to issues in society, it seems, and to do this they need a story like this that they can exploit. There are good and dark sides to it, like with many things, but the positive side is shedding light on a very serious problem in modern society.

Originally posted by Xaphan
reply to post by LoneCloudHopper2

 

Why is everybody making such a big deal out of the Amanda Todd incident when there are quite a few other bullying related suicides that didn't get much media attention?

I would attribute that to the fact that she posted a video on YouTube before she actually took her life. For whatever reason, that video was seen by millions of people. I first became aware of her story while on YT watching random videos. I came across and watched the video without searching for it and having no prior knowledge it. Her story just seems to have taken on a life of its own.

I personally think that the problem of bullying had been building up within the social consciousness and it just so happened to be Amanda Todd's story that brought it to a head.