Evolution - defies accepted science

reply to post by CrimsonMoon


No, churches are private. Schools are public, at least some of them. The majority of the belief system in America at this current point in time is Christian. So teaching that the Earth was intelligently designed should be just as important as evolution. Christians and non Christians both pay taxes. Evolution is not fact. Instead of believing in random mutations creating a very complex creature, there should be nothing wrong with teaching intelligent design. God could have created a complex creature.

So no. Churches are private, but public schools aren't.

Other than some sleight variations in the theory of evolutionary mechanisms, there appears to be only one big picture when it comes to teaching evolution.

But what about the multitude of creation theories? Should we teach the most popular beliefs? Or the oldest ones?
Seems the oldest ones would be closer to the truth, would they not? The most popular ones, the ones radiated out of the middle east. Were they not passed along only because the believers were more technologically advanced?
Particularly in the art of domination, and warfare?
They may have saved those heathens and infidels, but they may also have eradicated the "real" creation story.
SO, to be fair. All known creation stories should be presented, if they are taught at all, in schools.

Along with that ONE Evolutionary tale. Which in my opinion has lots of solid evidence. OF course there is a lot missing. Fossils are rare occurrences overall. But the fact that there are still so many in the sedimentary book of ages, proves at least one thing..Lots of time, and lots of creatures have come and gone. Some forever as a dead end. But others, not really gone, just genetic lottery winners. Like the flying dinosaurs that hang out at the local bird feeder.

Seems that every year, I read a few news stories that add yet another page to that book of Evolution. And those that trust that science are more than happy to make those little adjustments to the story. We're still learning. Just like evolution itself, the science evolves too.

reply to post by randyvs


False. If there was no religion we would already be populating the Cosmos. Religion discourages scientific discovery and hold us back as a species with fear, hatred, and bigotry. To think otherwise is just ignoring facts.

Anyone who believes the earth is only 6000 years old is just so ignorant I wonder if humanity will ever advance beyond the childish belief in a all knowing, all loving deity.

reply to post by spacedoubt


It can also be said that every year, one page of evolution can be taken away.

Macro-Evolution has never ever been observed. Only Micro-Evolution, and breeding dogs, again, is a form of Micro-Evolution.

Evolution is more of an Hypothesis than theory. The entire basis for Evolution is missing, the most important aspect, the very foundations for a theory.

Evolution, for now, seems to have stopped. Everything has remained relatively the same, as far as we know. Only Micro-Evolution is ever observed.

I GET what you are saying. But FIRST understand the basic concepts, before arguing with them.

If we drop the religious concepts, we can go to a wholly different topic that go into philosophy or metaphysics or whatever.

THE FACT REMAINS..... we have all those facts and evidence. Evolution theory is the best we have so far. If you have a good alternative or heck even better theory, then present it!

reply to post by TheIrishJihad

False. If there was no religion we would already be populating the Cosmos. Religion discourages scientific discovery and hold us back as a species with fear, hatred, and bigotry. To think otherwise is just ignoring facts.

Who said anything about religion? What are you talk'in about ?

Originally posted by milkyway12
reply to post by Deaf Alien

 

I do.

This is why Creation should be taught as optional along Evolution. Creation is just as viable as Evolution. Cells still divide, and the world keeps ticking. Even if God created it.

edit on 12-10-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

No. Creationism has NO evidence to back it up. Just your misguided faith. Creationism is a ridiculous pseudo science that has absolutely no place in the classroom.

Evolution, while not completely figured out yet, is based on observation and experimentation, while on the other hand creationism is based on a book full of fables and stories written by primitive minds as well as blind faith in something there is zero proof of. God.

Creationism has no place in schools. Period. And neither does religion.

We must teach our children to think. Not be mindless sheep following a false and controlling religious idea.

reply to post by TheIrishJihad


Then tell your kid not to take the creationism class. That is a good thing about FREEDOM. You have choices.

If you have not figured out Evolution, you should not be teaching it as the only thing plausible. Why? You don't know if it is or not, you haven't proven it.

(Sleep, been awake all night)

reply to post by randyvs

Who said anything about religion? What are you talk'in about ?

Oh I see. You conventionally edited your post. But anyway... YOU did.

reply to post by Deaf Alien

Oh I see. You conventionally edited your post. But anyway... YOU did.

Which post Alien ?

reply to post by milkyway12


And which creation myths will they teach in this "creationism class"? The one about The Great JuJu Under The Ocean?

Face it, the only reason you want to get this creationism nonsense into the classrooms is because you want to fill children's heads with it whilst they're still impressionable and lacking in critic thought. You know that belief in such nonsense in adults is falling due to the increasing availability of information and standards of education because you know no sane, rational and logical adult would swallow this creationist nonsense in this day and age.

People like you are ignorant relics of the past. Your numbers are falling. America is one of the few stalwarts of religious extremism in the First World, something the rest of the enlightened world looks on with a mixture of disbelief and dismay. You're on borrowed time, you have no hope of achieving your goals if rebooting mankind's understanding back to the Iron Age. Your cause is lost, no matter how many meaningless flags and stars you accumulate on some conspiracy website.

Sorry Randy I meant this. I linked the wrong post and you didn't edit.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This is what you said:

If we hadn't lost our relationship with our Heavenly Father we'd be populating the cosmos by now.

So you did mention religion.

reply to post by john_bmth


I agree with you although people in the UK may put Christian on their census forms the truth is that more and more people are rejecting the old religions and making up their own belief systems.
I think no one should be taught anything about religion until they are old enough to seek out their own truth themselves but because Religion=Power and money we are not going to see that happen...yet.

reply to post by milkyway12


Macro is observable in the fossil record. The theory of evolution hasn't even been around long enough to observe it in it's macro form. However it is written in stone. Much like creation stories on stone tablets.
On the other hand, for all we know somewhere in the middle of a rainforest on some remote location, two related animals have just reached a point of speciation. OR maybe it just happened at the bottom of an ocean, near a hydrothermal vent. How would we know exactly when it happened?

And yes, sometimes pages are removed from the story of evolution. Like I said, we are still learning. The proofs that we do have are very convincing.

BTW, about the many creation stories. Should we only teach one? Or maybe combine them all and come up with an ultimate Creation story? So many stories. It would be completely unfair to only teach one. And also dishonest to make believe only one can be true.
What culture has the oldest uninterrupted tale of creation? I'm not sure, perhaps the original Australian people?

reply to post by Deaf Alien

Quite alright i understand.

So you did mention religion.

No, I mentioned our Haevenly Father the Creator of the Universe. I believe he exists and best explains existence. You say i have no proof, I say it's everywhere ! And you say all the exact same things to me about evolution.
So are we talking religion or science ?

Just a suggestion for you all Biblical creationists or Intelligent Design folks (I am sorta an ID person myself)...

Really STUDY Evolution Theory... well maybe just 10% of it?

Some of us understand it OVER 10%.

If you really want to debate with them, then STUDY and UNDERSTAND!

Some of those scientists are over 90%. I guess that means I.Q. of 150 and over. If you really want to debate, then at least UNDERSTAND it before you debate it, ok?

I've been there. I learned that I have to really understand the subject before debating.

reply to post by milkyway12

It doesn't make sense to say that similarities between different forms of life always relate to a common ancestor. It seems to imply a common "designer" more than a common ancestor.

Your premise at the top of the page hints at the common link between what we can clearly see as design elements and that design being changed over time. Evolution was formally seen as a cause rather than a result. If seen clearly, it is a result of design and natural to the nature of infinity expanding. If God were not expanding, He could not be seen as infinity. Infinity is infinite and what can be known is known, yet what can be known can never end. Evolution would necessitate this as a result of the infinite expansion of God.

With that said, what did God say was at the heart of creation?

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

Leonard Susskind shows that energy is information in movement. See the video below. Entropy and heat transfer from energy is the same process seen in our computers. Heat is generated with increasing amounts of information in transit. Light is pure information, just as DNA is the material manifestation of the wave of information in light. Light must be seen as time--only by slice. To us, it is a wave. In reality, it is dimensional and only appears to us as the wave we collapse by our consciousness.

Collapsing wave function is the aspect of time that allows a dimensional being to see only one slice of the infinite information all around it. A 2D creature cannot see above and below, but only forward, backward, right and left. To their 2D world, up and down do not exist. A 3D creature is the same, only the 4D nature of time is not see, but only experienced by slice. 5D is a probability space where choices are collapsed into the 4th dimension to make choices to change the states and positions of matter. Light is central to time/space and light is the wave of information (WORD) that is collapsed and the glue that holds all things together. The Wave is the Son of God and the 2nd in nature to the Father (LIGHT).

Father (LIGHT)
Son (WORD / WAVE)
Holy Spirit (Consciousness)

Without consciousness, no matter could exist. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics states that consciousness collapses this wave to take particle to wave from superposition. In other words, consciousness creates matter, not the other way around. This is because we are in an image of time, space, matter and energy. So is your computer screen. It's produced by collapsing information from memory to the screen, then read by your consciousness.

Genesis 1

Genesis 1:1

In the Beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Matter). Let there be light (Energy).

1:27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

The image is where God placed us. We are INSIDE the image. We are also the Image of God. Word generates the image. Word is Wave and holds all things together.

1 Colossians 1:

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

See the articles linked in my signature for more.

Originally posted by spacedoubt
reply to post by milkyway12

 

Macro is observable in the fossil record. The theory of evolution hasn't even been around long enough to observe it in it's macro form. However it is written in stone. Much like creation stories on stone tablets.
On the other hand, for all we know somewhere in the middle of a rainforest on some remote location, two related animals have just reached a point of speciation. OR maybe it just happened at the bottom of an ocean, near a hydrothermal vent. How would we know exactly when it happened?

And yes, sometimes pages are removed from the story of evolution. Like I said, we are still learning. The proofs that we do have are very convincing.

BTW, about the many creation stories. Should we only teach one? Or maybe combine them all and come up with an ultimate Creation story? So many stories. It would be completely unfair to only teach one. And also dishonest to make believe only one can be true.
What culture has the oldest uninterrupted tale of creation? I'm not sure, perhaps the original Australian people?

Or how about the one that's the best documented ?