The elite and the masses

The elite believe that the masses are ignorant and it's up to them (the elite) to control them for the greater good of humanity. Power in this case is a necessary evil, something with which to control the violent, ignorant masses.

Do you agree with this, or do you believe that the masses must be equal to the elite? Will equality lead to chaos, as the elite fear?

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In any civilization there will be the "elite" or rulers.

The problem becomes when the rulers begin to disdain the people they rule.

It's cylical though, the opressed will over throw the oppressors to one day become oppressors themselves, it's pretty much proven by all of human history.

Even in the us the system of governent was designed to take the power from the masses in favor of the rule of law.

Its why it's a representive republic and not a direct democracy.

As a person who championed Anti Federal Reserve papers way back.

What if I told you there is nothing wrong with having ELITE.

The problem is that the Elite kings in charge do not commit moral acts.

Let me simplify this for everyone to understand.

My IQ is 145, I am intellectual elite in most groups of people, and yet I still don't use
my intellect to try and destroy those below me, psychologically, financially etc.

The good VS evil, the story of the universe itself.

What are you going to be.

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Do you agree with this, or do you believe that the masses must be equal to the elite? Will equality lead to chaos, as the elite fear?

Can a dog have two heads, or two tails?

Originally posted by reppie
The elite believe that the masses are ignorant and it's up to them (the elite) to control them for the greater good of humanity. Power in this case is a necessary evil, something with which to control the violent, ignorant masses.

Do you agree with this, or do you believe that the masses must be equal to the elite? Will equality lead to chaos, as the elite fear?

I can only explain this from the standpoint of the best truth we possess as humans. In Matthew 3, John the Baptist told the "Experts" that manipulate law what their fate would be.

Matthew 3

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. 9 And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 10 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

11 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with[c] the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

There are five baptisms mentioned in the Bible. Earth, Air, Water and Fire. Earth is the dust and clay that makes us. Air is the Word and Breath of God. Water is the result of the experience in the wilderness (Earth) and the Word that is gained by the reflecting point of experience. Fire represents trials and those trials will increase until destruction comes for all life. Water represents our baptism (immersion into the water of reality) and water also represents the application of growth that causes us to rise to new life, just as a plant rises with proper sunlight and soil. Water allows the process to occur. We are in a garden and we are planted for the harvest. Keep in mind what happens to weeds after the grain is harvested. It is burned and gone. Water puts out fire.

The fifth baptism comes to those who are harvested as symbolized by good fruit. When grain is refined, it makes bread. Bread is the symbol for the loaf we were all cut from, which is the Son of God. To return, water is the mechanism for repentance. Those who possess the Spirit now will stand firm when the fire comes. Those who do not will be demolished by this Spirit from shame and guilt. They will mourn their loss as they witness the truth emerge from faith to fact. Know the truth and the truth sets you free. Freedom brings love for others and God. Fruit is produced from repentance (Turning from sin and standing for truth). It can only be one way or the other.

1 Corinthians 10

14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

We can verify this by knowing that all things are created with Word (Information).

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

We now have enough information to see where the first loaf of bread comes from. We are all cut from one loaf and poured from one cup. The wave of creation is the Word that is the wave of particle and wave duality. Consciousness is the primary mechanism that collapses the wave of collapsing wave function in physics. Here is the wave.

1 Colossians 1:

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

I say this to point out one very important thing: Not all of us are cut from this loaf by God's will. The bloodline that runs through all fallen leaders is the error that will keep them from receiving baptism after the harvest comes. Fire is their lot in the future. They have their reward now in this life. What they take is what they get. The rest of us have the choice to put the fire out with the water.

You must be born again can easily change to "no longer necessary" when death is swallowed up in victory. This victory will not come by strength or might, but by Spirit.

The Earth is the rock that will be rolled away to reveal an empty tomb. That tomb will not hold Christ, but will be the final resting place in fire for those who mock God.